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Title: CWC-2 Army Lists - 2025
Post by: Leon on 01 September 2025, 10:14:22 PM
All of the updated 2025 CWC-2 Army Lists are available for free for you to download and print out at home.  We'll be updating and adding new lists constantly so keep checking back for any new additions.

We've been focused on the lists required for our current ranges but there's also a list of the planned future lists too, at the bottom below.

There is also a Random Points Modifier available which allows you to adjusts the points available to a battlegroup based on historical factors, to give a more realistic pair of opposing forces.  Some of the army lists give Special Rules to help/hinder your forces when using this Modifier.

- Random Points Modifier (https://www.dropbox.com/s/rfnq9lbovabz54w/RandomPointsModifier.pdf?dl=0)


Indochina 1948-54
- French (https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/zme4depuyql815snju4ge/2025IndoChinaFrench1948-54.pdf?rlkey=arskp8fk7n7svvda0ok540c2j&st=qndqnda5&dl=0)
- Vietminh (https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/2f3tknd8z2ovr8kl0zzvy/2025IndoChinaVietminh1948-54.pdf?rlkey=gzwjfp428943a9q3rbxlkxo7s&st=otujxie6&dl=0)

Korean War 1950-53
- Communist States (https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/lgpenautp7gne1n466csx/2025KoreanWarCommunists1950-53.pdf?rlkey=ybagv3mfoz9mxpq5ro2zq13vz&st=nfbp5cbo&dl=0)
- United Nations (https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/9q21mqjiz7334n72df8yt/2025KoreanWarUnitedNations1950-53.pdf?rlkey=kf72tjz8kqw1wgv7iup2szwm4&st=6wb2ynwc&dl=0)

Vietnam War 1957-75
- American (https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/6iv9egd3p9jrtxhwfjm3t/2025VietnamAmerican1962-73.pdf?rlkey=snloyxc9f0p7ccd1kywboa7e2&st=dt44ymyd&dl=0)
- ANZAC (https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/gp0si8rcxp6fa2uz5omii/2025VietnamWarANZAC1965-71.pdf?rlkey=wjqzo7415w4t3vn3tx66jfqad&st=je9g9psf&dl=0)
- North Vietnamese (https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/nidlr91f6npqwqnrtlx7l/2025VietnamNorthVietnamese1957-75.pdf?rlkey=7x4aejrualenx8kio4thmu4x9&st=6uaanun3&dl=0)
- South Vietnamese (https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/rchjgjeoskcow2u8kd9tu/2025VietnamSouthVietnamese1957-75.pdf?rlkey=r5zpednq12omwrzebrsyabic7&st=589vzjwf&dl=0)
- Viet Cong (https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/s2t2630jt11y27f5xhyx7/2025VietnamVietCong1957-68.pdf?rlkey=76n7t13x8g6b8998y2d7i1wix&st=gux8zlgr&dl=0)

Arab-Israeli Wars 1956+
- Arab States (https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/y4c9bx1432cyh4zyw90lo/2025ArabIsraeliArabStates1956-1982.pdf?rlkey=zns6e18e3sert57e2064yplqp&st=6hhc368c&dl=0)
- Israeli (https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/qozdoonq7dsdj7oa3tn6s/2025ArabIsraeliIDF1948-1990.pdf?rlkey=iomrnn16u7g48zhr0uohkbouz&st=kyq476a2&dl=0)

Indo-Pakistan War 1965-71
- Indian (https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/o98dxb3fconzbbfuulehn/2025IndoPakistanIndian1965-71.pdf?rlkey=xsazjgvgwm51kfnowf2t4r124&st=ud04yr1o&dl=0)
- Pakistani (https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/kqeqj7lu2rbj3l2h6xmw9/2025IndoPakistanPakistani1965-71.pdf?rlkey=119f1hhv3q6revakis2gyywet&st=rqo1sv26&dl=0)


Africa Conflicts
- Suez Crisis, 1956 (https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/910oup81ifmv2z3yb09z3/2025SuezCrisisAngloFrench1956.pdf?rlkey=wtxl3gqbcjjj0ajxdgtgiwrlk&st=izefwanf&dl=0)
- African Communist Insurgencies, 1961-74 (https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/jy8bxh6bfzochmu7esbf2/2025ColdWarAfricanCommunist1961-1974.pdf?rlkey=qugqi1kql6hv2f5tti29x539g&st=dxzpnp0m&dl=0)
- Portuguese Colonial Wars, 1961-74 (https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/2umzzw7rcx8gru5frnqlw/2025PortugueseColonialWars1961-74.pdf?rlkey=3ghlj68gfx1d4ne5hi15vs9yh&st=4mewvevs&dl=0)
- Ogaden War Ethiopian, 1977-78 (https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/xychl953n0ksyu9i96tfp/2025OgadenWarEthiopianArmy1977-78.pdf?rlkey=rju3or9f1ic67npcnlro7ci6n&st=yb01ijsa&dl=0)
- Ogaden War Somalian, 1977-78 (https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/oifk48jvu05u3f22bkagu/2025OgadenWarSomaliArmy1977-78.pdf?rlkey=xrhm5ug90bpsvhmcg68a69v7u&st=q4bvtudj&dl=0)

Cold War 1946-90
- Australian (https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/73u234bod0kk4nznmv8jg/2025ColdWarAustralia1943-2000.pdf?rlkey=8batns259ko87ngmo4th4sb77&st=bgoz05xm&dl=0)
- Austrian (https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/h0iz4y7h38iab7b05lc8n/2025ColdWarAustrian1955-90.pdf?rlkey=4wxs8o8q964kfumh994k7xn6f&st=fxqtmjvb&dl=0)
- Belgian (https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/yb360sox02maeb881ata2/2025ColdWarBelgian1946-1990.pdf?rlkey=fzfd433erc29trskkq5v4y1bj&st=70d8nigf&dl=0)
- British (https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/k6j0bd6zt0jlhz86q4ovd/2025ColdWarBritish1946-2003.pdf?rlkey=1maprfvpcmzt8i3ob18aiw7zw&st=htbooici&dl=0)
- Bundeswehr (https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/6xgssgsqytcagtqkhjjw6/2025ColdWarBundeswehr1955-1990.pdf?rlkey=ah36oopjmirvi16ot66yfxfnu&st=crnjluxr&dl=0)
- Canadian (https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/81o2lcx613ohnhjc3ucbn/2025ColdWarCanadian1943-2003.pdf?rlkey=evb9zyqzh12jgf1h76mxji5y9&st=79mz7iil&dl=0)
- Chinese (https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/7i5uu2re6t9d4fg5zhpku/2025ColdWarChinesePLA1949-2000.pdf?rlkey=03g7s383i21njjyfky8h8v7w1&st=m03m61wh&dl=0)
- Danish (https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/20a7v2p64qg78njfb3ac9/2025ColdWarDanish1946-1990.pdf?rlkey=areiz0qsx454ootvc4nncm5mi&st=tdcaipfi&dl=0)
- Finnish (https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/64l0s2dime6f3bo92ccrh/2025ColdWarFinnish1946-1990.pdf?rlkey=iwnse64bfbltcqir50rpzjkte&st=j51rhgsn&dl=0)
- French (https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/7nm32z979yin6z8z2osev/2025ColdWarFrench1946-2003.pdf?rlkey=khj2vf6f0huynnbjcrwjdwjhd&st=hsxqtm93&dl=0)
- Greek (https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/zp9j1ehy3z2703opraa2c/2025ColdWarGreece1946-1990.pdf?rlkey=p0pu2oa89sn4ol5374t8qtipa&st=lpmp8or2&dl=0)
- Netherlands (https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/s7gkctu2102hlk6vmwm2p/2025ColdWarNetherlands1946-1990.pdf?rlkey=y8k47rwxiqm710v977jv2ry2j&st=yjunk4g2&dl=0)
- Norwegian (https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/86mvmvx4unupq9zzi2t2y/2025ColdWarNorwegian1946-1990.pdf?rlkey=l79ag94olidyonmxacwgx0rgq&st=r8viob5x&dl=0)
- South Korean (https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/1cma9fb9i32w0ffh6jscw/2025ColdWarRepublicKorea1948-2000.pdf?rlkey=sl84s0shfcom5lx8kcxi62c6k&st=sdsu1xxz&dl=0)
- Soviet Union (https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/nswoesgfefywphw7432xq/2025ColdWarSovietUnion1946-1990.pdf?rlkey=mtwem008loy97viuz4p2f2x7f&st=jowvte54&dl=0)
- Soviet Naval Infantry (https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/yd56ji8eg2gpwv2ueha7q/2025ColdWarSovietNavalInfantry1961-1990.pdf?rlkey=n9fil3pwy36yg4ce2y1sf3lzi&st=77wjv2ud&dl=0)
- Soviet VDV (https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/ppaq0ztie3mpcap9k7zjf/2025ColdWarSovietVDV.pdf?rlkey=ra1tte0614zktm9zo4fqiksmw&st=5lg5t9bg&dl=0)
- Swedish (https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/4its1pmigr0w3pis1nq20/2025ColdWarSwedish1946-1990.pdf?rlkey=aviw4bkxxe466xjdwte2c3d07&st=zxivzggn&dl=0)
- United States (https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/phwcri8ytmvub3xjk29en/2025ColdWarUSA1946-1990.pdf?rlkey=72jr1s8ez50y4ct66dyzat0iy&st=vf2x99ri&dl=0)
- United States Marine Corps (https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/kalgkfckk0y2ixezx6tv8/2025ColdWarUSMarineCorps1946-2003.pdf?rlkey=5dsqckfbxgjom9ae3un3et78v&st=dssi0ekb&dl=0)
- Warsaw Pact, Grade 1 (https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/6b9ssqi46hzgfrpypag4t/2025WarsawPactGrade11946-90.pdf?rlkey=qcqfii5k0478ks94tym1u3jc7&st=jfvokzy9&dl=0)
- Warsaw Pact, Grade 2 (https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/vv4sg8yfsmcb4r539sc5w/2025WarsawPactGrade21946-90.pdf?rlkey=eussynhkw9df1l6unht6u3hp6&st=kuqqu5mr&dl=0)

Soviet-Afghan War 1979-89
- Mujahideen (https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/x1c75v5bhu56e00y52fnz/2025Soviet-AfghanMujahideen1979-89.pdf?rlkey=3muhiyaoajbgd03kt5gdj99ws&st=ujjr0959&dl=0)
- Soviet (https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/6xanyt22xnbiqzoj8gndr/2025Soviet-AfghanSoviet1979-89.pdf?rlkey=1ftjdd8u5ywbizfbyrlt84tt4&st=b3dbn8yh&dl=0)

Falklands War 1982
- Argentine (https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/4ejkfa02o67saibnb2p6o/2025FalklandsWarArgentine1982.pdf?rlkey=5almhp82wgw7c7v92dmcd8za4&st=4cy3i2fn&dl=0)
- British (https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/td0t6gadhpbc2bk6820ig/2025FalklandsWarBritish1982.pdf?rlkey=ijjmm3c6v2u31eljnt1asvzo5&st=edwf7j36&dl=0)

Iran-Iraq Wars 1946-2003
- Iran (https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/zfs88efh89sm3652yqpot/2025Iran-IraqWarsIran1946-2000.pdf?rlkey=0yq4f6ltgbzkj1bq976gmt8ia&st=0vf1hc2u&dl=0)
- Iraq (https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/7sjkg6dobjrc826ylqry6/2025Iran-IraqWarsIraq1947-2003.pdf?rlkey=aadt9sw2xame4oml00q456nku&st=ockka9dx&dl=0)



PLANNED LISTS

Batch 1 - COMPLETE!

COLD WAR
- Soviet Naval Infantry - DONE!
- US Marine Corp - DONE!

MIDDLE EAST
Afghanistan:
- Mujahideen - DONE!
- Soviet Army - DONE!


Batch 2 - COMPLETE!

EUROPE
NATO:
- Belgians - DONE!
- Canadian - DONE!
- Danish - DONE!
- Dutch - DONE!
- Norwegians - DONE!

Neutrals/Non-aligned:
- Austrian - DONE!
- Finland - DONE!
- Sweden - DONE!

MIDDLE EAST
Arab Israeli Wars:
- Arab States - DONE!
- Israeli Defence Force - DONE!

ASIA PACIFIC
- South Korean - DONE!
- Australia - DONE!
- China - DONE!
- India - DONE!
- Pakistan - DONE!



Batch 3 - COMPLETE!

MIDDLE EAST
- Iran (Iran Iraq War) - DONE!
- Iraq (Iran Iraq War) - DONE!
- Suez Crisis (British & French) - DONE!

AFRICA
- Ethiopia - DONE!
- Somalia - DONE!


Batch 4

EUROPE
NATO:
- Spanish - COMING SOON!
- Portuguese - COMING SOON!
- Italian - COMING SOON!
- Greek - DONE!
- Turkey - COMING SOON!

Neutrals/Non-aligned:
- Ireland (Eire) - COMING SOON!
- Switzerland - COMING SOON!
- Yugoslavian - COMING SOON!

AFRICA
- Angolan  - COMING SOON!
- South African  - COMING SOON!


Batch 5

MIDDLE EAST
- Egypt
- Iraq (Gulf War) - DONE!
- Jordan
- Libya
- Lebanese Civil War
- Syria
- Saudi Arabia
- Gulf States

AFRICA
- Africa Marxist Insurgency - DONE!
- Portuguese Colonial - DONE!
- Algerian Insurgency

ASIA PACIFIC
- Australia - DONE!
- Cambodia
- Japan
- Taiwan
- North Korean (1965-2000)
- South Korean (1965-2000) - DONE!
- Vietnamese (1975-2000)
- Communist China (1949-2000) - DONE!
-Thailand
- India
- Pakistan
- Myanmar
- Royal Lao


Batch 6

SOUTH/CENTRAL AMERICA
- Argentine Main Force 1970-1995
- Bolivian Main Force 1970-95
- Brazilian 1970-95
- Chile 1970-95
- Columbian 1970-95
- Cuba 1962 – 95
- Dominican Republic
- Ecuadorian Army 1965-95
- El Salvador 1965-1995
- Guatemalan Army 1960-95
- Honduran Army 1960-1995
- Mexican 1960-2000
- Nicaraguan Army 1970-2000
- Paraguayan Army 1970-1995
- Peruvian Army 1970-1995


Batch 7

OTHER CONFLICTS
Small Wars:
- The Aden Emergency (1963-67)
- Grenada (Operation Urgent Fury) – Grenadine v USMC + Caribbean countries
- Panama (Operation Just Cause) – Panama v USMC (War on Drugs)
- 'Flash-point Berlin' – British Berlin Brigade (+ US & French) v East German & Soviet
- The Moroccan v Algerian 'Sand Wars' 1962 - with Cuban and Egyptian interventionist forces.
- Sino-Indian 'Border War' 1962 between India and China in the mountains between India and Tibet
- The Chadian–Libyan War (1978 and 1987)
- Sino-Soviet Border Conflict (1969)
Title: Re: CWC-2 Army Lists - 2025
Post by: fred. on 02 September 2025, 06:57:02 AM
Wow!

As I scrolled down this list, and down this list, I thought that the completed stuff was comprehensive, then it kept going, so when these are all produced feels this will be an exhaustive (and exhausting) set of army lists!
Title: Re: CWC-2 Army Lists - 2025
Post by: Big Insect on 02 September 2025, 09:21:32 AM
Quote from: fred. on 02 September 2025, 06:57:02 AMWow!

As I scrolled down this list, and down this list, I thought that the completed stuff was comprehensive, then it kept going, so when these are all produced feels this will be an exhaustive (and exhausting) set of army lists!

Thanks Fred.
Writing the rules is, by & large, the 'easier' bit. The army lists are what takes the time & causes the most pain
 ;D  ;D  ;D
Title: Re: CWC-2 Army Lists - 2025
Post by: fred. on 02 September 2025, 11:20:03 AM
I can only imagine - with so many different bits of kit to track, and so many variants. And I suspect plenty still regarded as 'restricted' on their stats
Title: Re: CWC-2 Army Lists - 2025
Post by: Big Insect on 02 September 2025, 04:07:05 PM
Quote from: fred. on 02 September 2025, 11:20:03 AMI can only imagine - with so many different bits of kit to track, and so many variants. And I suspect plenty still regarded as 'restricted' on their stats

Absolutely and also this is not helped by inaccurate or 'nationalistically' biased information on the web.
Even something supposedly simple - such as what AT weapons were used by the Irish Armed forces between 1946-1990 can be a 'mine-field' of misunderstanding - when a Carl Gustav is (rightly or wrongly) described as an 84mm recoilless gun  :'(  (& that is in the official Armed Forces website).
Title: Re: CWC-2 Army Lists - 2025
Post by: flamingpig0 on 02 September 2025, 05:25:56 PM
moved to another thread
Title: Re: CWC-2 Army Lists - 2025
Post by: Jordi on 04 October 2025, 07:00:38 AM
Hi. Is there any posibility that some lists for yugoslavian wars in 90's could bé done?

Thanks
Title: Re: CWC-2 Army Lists - 2025
Post by: Big Insect on 04 October 2025, 08:08:40 PM
Hi there.

They are outside the remit I have set myself for CWCII. So it wont be me doing them.

TBVF I also have enough on my plate with the remaining 1946-1990 lists (+ new FWCII lists), but if somebody else wants to do all the research and send it in, we can look at adding it to the back end of the list.

Cheers
Mark
Title: Re: CWC-2 Army Lists - 2025
Post by: Jordi on 05 October 2025, 10:11:41 PM
Thanks for the answer and thanks for all the work. Im trying to adapt some list I found in the old cwc  page.
Title: Re: CWC-2 Army Lists - 2025
Post by: TimBuktu on 02 June 2026, 12:49:56 PM
I recently played a Vietnam game at a club meeting.
This was before I owned a copy of the rules.
The GM used Monitor transports for the Americans.
Can you tell me if this is an official unit or possibly home grown?
If it is official, where can I find the stats?

Thanks
Title: Re: CWC-2 Army Lists - 2025
Post by: Big Insect on 02 June 2026, 01:53:10 PM
QuoteI recently played a Vietnam game at a club meeting.
This was before I owned a copy of the rules.
The GM used Monitor transports for the Americans.
Can you tell me if this is an official unit or possibly home grown?
If it is official, where can I find the stats?

Thanks

I need to check (& don't have access to the Army List PDF's at present), but I think that there are stats in the  US Vietnam list (or maybe the French Indo-china list) for riverboats and mortars, for the US forces in Vietnam. They wont be in the main US list.

But basically they are standard on-table 81mm mortar (so you use those stats) - they have the same range and effect. They can be commanded in by any US HQ on a LOF basis or shoot themselves on a LoS basis. The riverboats are classified as Independent units and as fully Stabilized - so in effect the mortars can move and fire but with a penalty (whilst on the boat). They don't fire template rounds as they are on table, but can fire HE & Smoke (if Smoke ammo was bought). So nothing particularly special  :D
If I remember correctly the mortar might be a unit Upgrade or a replacement for the dual .50cal AA gun (but not 100% sure).
Cheers
Mark

NB: Late war WW2 Soviets had river 'monitors' at Stalingrad - armoured and armed with a T34 turret and a Katyshka battery + a host of AA guns  :o
Title: Re: CWC-2 Army Lists - 2025
Post by: TimBuktu on 03 June 2026, 06:58:14 PM
The American Vietnam list has a PBR, a much smaller boat.
I watched a couple of videos.
The monitors were a larger better protected boat. They carried a variety of ordinance including machine guns and flame throwers. They were also capable of troop transport.
I would include a link but that never works for me.
Title: Re: CWC-2 Army Lists - 2025
Post by: Duke Speedy of Leighton on 03 June 2026, 09:09:11 PM
There were also command and helicopter carrier monitors!
Title: Re: CWC-2 Army Lists - 2025
Post by: Big Insect on 03 June 2026, 09:44:59 PM
QuoteThere were also command and helicopter carrier monitors!

Absolutely - but I just didn't get around to doing the stats for them all as I had to draw the line somewhere  :D
I've a load more CWC and FWC lists to complete. If somebody wants to take a stab at constructing all their stats I'm always willing to validate them and look at dropping them into the lists at the next upgrade.
NB: it's a bit like all the various hovercrafts that the US Marine Corps and Soviets had during the Cold War - it's almost a major list in its own right doing them all and where do you stop  :-\ Inshore patrol boats or E-boats or minisubs in BKCIV ... there has to be an end point (there just has to be!!!  :)  )
Thanks
Mark
Title: Re: CWC-2 Army Lists - 2025
Post by: TimBuktu on 04 June 2026, 02:14:19 AM
QuoteAbsolutely - but I just didn't get around to doing the stats for them all as I had to draw the line somewhere  :D
I've a load more CWC and FWC lists to complete. If somebody wants to take a stab at constructing all their stats I'm always willing to validate them and look at dropping them into the lists at the next upgrade.
NB: it's a bit like all the various hovercrafts that the US Marine Corps and Soviets had during the Cold War - it's almost a major list in its own right doing them all and where do you stop  :-\ Inshore patrol boats or E-boats or minisubs in BKCIV ... there has to be an end point (there just has to be!!!  :)  )

Well...if you're saying you can't do it...

 ;)
Thanks
Mark
Title: Re: CWC-2 Army Lists - 2025
Post by: TimBuktu on 04 June 2026, 03:12:28 PM
Seriously
I saw a guy running a game and he used units I didn't recognize.
From what you say they were probably home grown.
Title: Re: CWC-2 Army Lists - 2025
Post by: TimBuktu on 19 June 2026, 03:30:19 PM
Hi guys

So, I'm watching footage of the war in Ukraine.
Have you given any thought to adding an addendum for the use of drone combat?
Not complaining mind you, just making a suggestion.

Tim
Title: Re: CWC-2 Army Lists - 2025
Post by: Big Insect on 19 June 2026, 06:25:29 PM
Quote from: TimBuktu on 19 June 2026, 03:30:19 PMHi guys

So, I'm watching footage of the war in Ukraine.
Have you given any thought to adding an addendum for the use of drone combat?
Not complaining mind you, just making a suggestion.

Tim

Yes (thought about it and discarded it) - that's not something we will be doing. We deliberately chose to stop CWC at the last Gulf War, as that is were the original CWCI lists had got to.
Personally, I'd prefer to have the CWC lists deliberately stop with the fall of Soviet Communism.
If you want drones, FWC covers that very nicely, but 'the management' are agreed that 'Modern Warfare Rules' are not something we are interested in developing. TBF even the Gulf War is a little to close to home as it is.
Cheers
Mark
Title: Re: CWC-2 Army Lists - 2025
Post by: TimBuktu on 20 June 2026, 06:03:11 PM
I suppose if I got real dedicated, I could probably modify the helicopter rules.
On the upside, I'm not that dedicated.
My interests are Vietnam and the Arab/Israeli conflicts.

I thought FWC was more science fiction.
Was I misled?
Title: Re: CWC-2 Army Lists - 2025
Post by: Big Insect on 21 June 2026, 04:49:33 PM
Quote from: TimBuktu on 20 June 2026, 06:03:11 PMI suppose if I got real dedicated, I could probably modify the helicopter rules.
On the upside, I'm not that dedicated.
My interests are Vietnam and the Arab/Israeli conflicts.

I thought FWC was more science fiction.
Was I misled?

FWC is for Sci-Fi. But it has all the capability to replicate drone warfare, which is where modern combat is heading.
We mucked about playtesting all sorts of complex rules to replicate drones for FWC, but in the end came to view that they were mostly just replicating targetted air or artillery strikes, as they worked in the rules anyway.
Your challenge is that current drones are (for the most part) either:
A) recce drone (& they are adequately covered by existing mechanisms)
B ) off table launched self-guided munitions, so no different from air or artillery strikes
C) off table launched, off-table guided, munitions. In many ways this makes them less accurate than on-table FAO/FAC guided off-table assets (air or artillery strikes).
Also, at the level CWC is played at, individual drones attacking individual AFVs is out of scope.

You could create a single shot, off-table weapon, with the ability to only hit a single on-table AFV (so not templated fire) with it hitting on a 4+ in open or 5+ in low area cover and unable to target units in high or hard cover, if you wanted to go there. But how you guide & command it, subject it to counter-measures etc. Is a whole other kettle of fish.

But as I say, it is 'the companies' policy not to create a set of 'Modern Warfare' rules or even a CWC upgrade supplement to do so. It's a principle thing.

Cheers
Mark
Title: Re: CWC-2 Army Lists - 2025
Post by: flamingpig0 on 21 June 2026, 07:57:20 PM
Quote from: Big Insect on 21 June 2026, 04:49:33 PMBut as I say, it is 'the companies' policy not to create a set of 'Modern Warfare' rules or even a CWC upgrade supplement to do so. It's a principle thing.

Cheers
Mark

A good call in my view
Title: Re: CWC-2 Army Lists - 2025
Post by: kustenjaeger on 21 June 2026, 08:41:11 PM
It's called Cold War Commander and covers what is in the title 🙂.

Edward
Title: Re: CWC-2 Army Lists - 2025
Post by: Andrew T on 03 July 2026, 06:21:56 PM
We are planning a game next year based on the Dragon Strike book, featuring China vs the rest of Asia Pacific - I think: not actually read the book yet - that will be set in 2001. That's really going to stretch the CWC rules. We'll have to use the EW rules, possibly port in the version from FWC2. We'll need to think about aircraft using ATGMs, as even by the Gulf War 75% of CAS attacks were fighters armed with Maverick, possibly recce drones and we may borrow Stealth rules from FWC2.

I think that if there was to be a Modern War Commander, CWC Redux or CWC: New World Order (I haven't spent far too long thinking about possible names, honest), with the potential for the likes of T-55s to be on the same battlefield as the latest Abrams, Leopard 2A7, T-90 etc. we would probably have to switch to rolls to hit and saves using 2D6, D10 or D12. That would require substantial rework of the rules, a lot of playtesting and considerable research into different weapon capabilities. That will take time and motivation, precious resources nowadays.
Title: Re: CWC-2 Army Lists - 2025
Post by: Raider4 on 03 July 2026, 06:42:09 PM
It was said quite recently that there's no interest in producing such a thing. 
Title: Re: CWC-2 Army Lists - 2025
Post by: sultanbev on 03 July 2026, 09:10:39 PM
Quote from: Andrew T on 03 July 2026, 06:21:56 PMWe'll need to think about aircraft using ATGMs, as even by the Gulf War 75% of CAS attacks were fighters armed with Maverick

That's already covered in the rules, as PGM, page 29. Just allow more of them. Aircraft cannot use ATGW unless they are as slow as helicopters.

I'd treat recce drones as spotter helicopters that for some have to follow a pre-designated flight path, but you don't suffer any morale loss if they are shot down, ie their loss doesn't add to breakpoint.

For Electronic Warfare, I have the following rule.
Your CO can issue an EW action once a turn if so equipped. You select ESM (electronic surveillance measures) or ECM (electronic counter-measures).
Roll against your CO CV, a successful roll for ESM detects the location of the enemy CO, which you can then call artillery or aircraft attacks on. A successful ECM roll reduces your enemy CO or a HQ you choose to target by CV by 2 for the rest of the turn.
Using ECM however gives away the position of the jammer to enemy ESM units. Which if your jammer is a truck located next to your CO, could be trouble. If it is an off-table EA-6B Prowler or Mil-9 helicopter, then knowing where it is isn't much help.

If you are thinking of lower level ECM, eg IED jammers, then use the booby trap rules for IEDs, but any IED jammer equipped vehicle gets a saving roll against the booby trap, a successful CV roll against the CV of the target vehicle unit means the IED fails to go off or is exploded before the vehicle gets to it.

For most 21st century warfare, much of the CWC rules can be adapted, especially if you base them around the 2D6 of the CV values. However CWC has indeed run out of wriggle room for saving rolls based on 1D6 for the armour combat, so any post cold war iteration would indeed have to be a different system.

What you could do though as a house set of rules is attach the CWC command system and add it to any other set of more appropriate 21st Century combat rules, if there are any.

As all the wars since 2002 have shown, modelling platoons as your basic unit is no longer relevant, as combat is between individual tanks and sections, with platoons spread out over large distances, mostly hiding from drones.
Title: Re: CWC-2 Army Lists - 2025
Post by: Andrew T on 04 July 2026, 03:01:34 PM
Quote from: Raider4 on 03 July 2026, 06:42:09 PMIt was said quite recently that there's no interest in producing such a thing.

That was my point though. It would take a lot of work to do it properly and if the motivation and interest isn't there, there's no point in starting.
Title: Re: CWC-2 Army Lists - 2025
Post by: Andrew T on 04 July 2026, 03:11:26 PM
I'll have to read up on the PGM rules. We tend not to use the special munitions much so I shall do my homework.
So much of EW seems to be air to air combat so would that need to be incorporated into the game? I shall do some more research.
Devolving Modern War Commander down to 1 unit = 1 section or vehicle is a good shout. That is absolutely the level it should be based on.  :-\

I think that I am like most wargamers in that I am good at making plans and having ambitions but less good at putting these plans into action. I've got all the tools to House Rule a modern version of CWC but I'll probably never get round to doing it.
Title: Re: CWC-2 Army Lists - 2025
Post by: flamingpig0 on 04 September 2026, 09:40:18 AM
Has there been any progress on producing a completed Angolan list?
Title: Re: CWC-2 Army Lists - 2025
Post by: Big Insect on 04 September 2026, 01:38:10 PM
Nope. Sorry. These & the South African lits are way down the pecking order of things to be done.
BR
Mark
Title: Re: CWC-2 Army Lists - 2025
Post by: Andrew T on 19 September 2026, 07:22:45 PM
Looking at the Dutch list, the BV206S has the same stats as the BV202N/206N,but is unarmed and 20pts cheaper. From what I can see, the 206S is armoured to small arms & shrapnel level and can be armed. Can I suggest that the BV206S should be armed with the same stats as the BV202N and have a saving throw of 6+, same as most APCs? With a points value increase to 45pts?
Title: Re: CWC-2 Army Lists - 2025
Post by: Big Insect on 20 September 2026, 07:40:58 AM
Quote from: Andrew T on 19 September 2026, 07:22:45 PMLooking at the Dutch list, the BV206S has the same stats as the BV202N/206N,but is unarmed and 20pts cheaper. From what I can see, the 206S is armoured to small arms & shrapnel level and can be armed. Can I suggest that the BV206S should be armed with the same stats as the BV202N and have a saving throw of 6+, same as most APCs? With a points value increase to 45pts?

Thankyou.
I'll check that out.