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Title: Fixing Flock
Post by: hammurabi70 on 07 July 2025, 12:25:03 PM
I am in the process of flocking bases (200+).  I find that over time the flock gets knocked off so the base begins to look a bit thread-bare.  Do people have any tips on treating the flock to keep it in place?
Title: Re: Fixing Flock
Post by: Orcs on 07 July 2025, 12:48:41 PM
Hairspray, or very watered down PVA, although this may change the look of the flock - experimentation will be needed
Title: Re: Fixing Flock
Post by: jimduncanuk on 07 July 2025, 01:22:25 PM
My flocking method is as follows.

Finish painting the figures, varnish, mount on base finish any other scenic detail.

Wait until any varnishes, glues and other sticky things are completely dry.

Apply a thick coat of PVA glue on the areas to be flocked. Use an old paintbrush.

Tip your flock into a deep container.

Hold the base firmly and 'scoop' up the flock onto the PVA's areas. It may take more than one 'scoop' to get a good coverage.

Turn the base upside down in the container and tap the base to make any unattached flock to fall back into the container.

Put the base aside to dry.

You can see some of my 'flocked' bases here:

https://jim-duncan.blogspot.com/2021/06/wargames-factory-recent-units.html

(https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEi0uD0FFVTYewLVBDZ_ZvcU5FgOggjBL2S8WLTZCV0VRjiNfGP_5PKuh4pcXTx2aU9BSbEADgYLJbe8SEWEuY8AJmguBD3DW0cn_kCIRsSlu8YUQbJlZkGxWwBb0FpA3i-g6p6LIx7eU2Q/s1024/P1010345.JPG)

Jim
Title: Re: Fixing Flock
Post by: Duke Speedy of Leighton on 07 July 2025, 01:44:37 PM
Water down the pca before applying, it helps the flock before the first dip too.
Title: Re: Fixing Flock
Post by: Big Insect on 07 July 2025, 07:04:29 PM
I have now started to matt spray varnish* the whole base, once I've attached the flock with PVA using a static applicator & let it dry thoroughly (ideally overnight).
 
I started doing this with snow-basing as the stuff just wouldn't stay on. It seems to be working so far, with grass as well as snow.
BTW - I obviously do all the usual stuff like painting & double varnishing (1st gloss, then Matt) the figures, putting on base and adding basing material and static grass/snow 1st.

ALSO WARNING: do not try spray undercoating or varnishing in the current UK heatwave.
I have just had to Dettol strip a recent batch of 28mm figures, that turned out very 'furry', as the spray primer particles were drying and clumping in mid-air  :'(  :'(  :'(
Title: Re: Fixing Flock
Post by: jimduncanuk on 07 July 2025, 08:46:52 PM
Quote from: Big Insect on 07 July 2025, 07:04:29 PMALSO WARNING: do not try spray undercoating or varnishing in the current UK heatwave.


Heatwave! That's a laugh.
Title: Re: Fixing Flock
Post by: Big Insect on 08 July 2025, 10:39:56 AM
It got to 38 degrees here in Bristol last week - and in the UK in July (normally it's cold & pouring with rain) that's as close as we get to a heat wave  :D  :D  :D
Title: Re: Fixing Flock
Post by: FierceKitty on 08 July 2025, 10:43:50 AM
I brush on multiple coats of my sealant (3 parts clear craft glue to seven parts denatured alcohol, and a drop of liquid soap; stir, don't shake.). A soft brush disrupts the base less.
Title: Re: Fixing Flock
Post by: jimduncanuk on 08 July 2025, 11:28:23 AM
Quote from: Big Insect on 08 July 2025, 10:39:56 AMIt got to 38 degrees here in Bristol last week - and in the UK in July (normally it's cold & pouring with rain) that's as close as we get to a heat wave  :D  :D  :D

18 here today, as good as we get.
Title: Re: Fixing Flock
Post by: Last Hussar on 08 July 2025, 01:48:20 PM
My method

Put on audio - I like R4 comedy

Cover base in pva.

drop of superglue on figure base

Position

When base full, push into pile of flock (at least 5 mm) from two or 3 different directions

Leave 24 hours or more

Shake excess flock off

Leave some more.
Title: Re: Fixing Flock
Post by: hammurabi70 on 08 July 2025, 10:53:56 PM
Many thanks for the suggestions. 

I already use a grass bath (a {very} old tobacco tin) to sprinkle on the grass.  The common theme seems to be PVA so evidently that should be the next stage.    I am just wondering how to apply it without disturbing the existing flock!  A watered down solution is a very interesting tip as it should then flow easily.

The other option that looks interesting is the application of matt varnish to the whole base and figure for protection.
Title: Re: Fixing Flock
Post by: Orcs on 08 July 2025, 11:23:18 PM
I use a cheap plastic pippette from Amazon to distribute PVA on bases with figures already glued on. This should work well to allow you to drip the watered down PVA on
Title: Re: Fixing Flock
Post by: Raider4 on 12 July 2025, 01:02:09 PM

Quote18 here today, as good as we get.
How about now? 
Title: Re: Fixing Flock
Post by: jimduncanuk on 12 July 2025, 01:13:54 PM
24 today but gone by tomorrow.

Am currently in Yorkshire at 24.
Title: Re: Fixing Flock
Post by: Lord Kermit of Birkenhead on 12 July 2025, 02:06:48 PM
Bikenhead is showing 30 atm, lowesst today was 20ish
Title: Re: Fixing Flock
Post by: Duke Speedy of Leighton on 12 July 2025, 02:22:11 PM
36 yesterday 28 now
Title: Re: Fixing Flock
Post by: Big Insect on 14 July 2025, 04:57:08 PM
Quote from: hammurabi70 on 08 July 2025, 10:53:56 PMMany thanks for the suggestions. 

I already use a grass bath (a {very} old tobacco tin) to sprinkle on the grass.  The common theme seems to be PVA so evidently that should be the next stage.    I am just wondering how to apply it without disturbing the existing flock!  A watered down solution is a very interesting tip as it should then flow easily.

The other option that looks interesting is the application of matt varnish to the whole base and figure for protection.

On the spray varnish front - a little and repeat - do not be tempted to over spray, for that path leads to disaster my son!