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Wider Wargaming => Genre/Period Discussion => Firelocks to Maxims (1680 - 1900) => Topic started by: Last Hussar on 09 December 2024, 01:45:57 PM

Title: Classifying French Allies in 1813
Post by: Last Hussar on 09 December 2024, 01:45:57 PM
Posted in the 'Little Wooden Men' thread, but probably better here.

Producing a France 1813 army list for Blucher.

Currently for the Imperial Guard I have;

Old Guard is 2x'Old Guard', 1x'Guard' - These are the Old and Middle Guards, 7x'Veteran' - this is the Young Guard in two corps, with the 2nd Corps having 4 units, but all understrength. Although the rules say to consider making this 3 at normal strength, 4 and U/S fits the historical lay out.

Am considering making I Young Corps 4 units, with the 2 in 3rd Division 'Understrength', again, fits the lay out.

So thoughts gentlemen;
Rules state units are 3-5,000 men.
If less than 3,000 for HISTORICAL scenarios (only) use the 'Understrength' rule.
If over 5,000 use 'Overstrength'.

All divisions are of 2 Brigades, each of 6 bns.

I Young Guard Corps
1st Div - 6040 Men
3rd Div - 4730 Men

II Young Guard Corps
2nd Div - 5470 Men
4th Div - 5520 Men.

Options
I Corps
3 Units
Or
4 Units, 2 U/S

II Corps
2 Units, both O/S
Or
4 units, all U/S
Or
3 Units

OR

One Corps called 'Young guard' which ignores the Div/Bde structure and works as 6 units.

2nd Question

For the 1813/14 lists allied nations infantry are classified as Veteran or Conscript.
Should I be taking all Allied as 'Conscript'?  It basically comes down to how badly Württemberg, Westphalia, Italy, Saxony, Hesse-Darmstadt, Polish and Baden forces were affected by Russia.  If Boney had to raise new units from Allies, then conscript, otherwise they may count as veteran.

By default I have classed as per 1809, so at the moment only Polish, Baden and Italy are possible veteran - these I have taken based as the 1809 'French modelled', effectively the same as French line of the time.. I am wondering are all Non-Guard troops, French or otherwise, effectively 'Conscript'

For reference
Veteran - Elan of 6, bonus when skirmishing (so start with 6 combat dice, and take 6 hits to destroy)
Conscript - Elan 5, not good near horses.
I can amend these if needed, the point calculations are clearly laid out for 'Historic' troops.
(For comparison, French Conscript get the Skirmish, are not good near horse, but get a charge bonus)