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Title: Joseph's Spanish Troops
Post by: fsn on 01 June 2024, 10:47:37 AM
Ah! The butterfly mind has flitted again, and alighted upon Joseph's Spanish Army in 1813.

I know the basic theoretical composition, and the OOB for Vittoria, but can anyone recommend a price-conscious reference for this army?

I have the Ospreys (which is a terrible condition seen commonly in Wargamers) but wonder if there's anything specifically about Joseph's troops?

Thank you in advance. 
Title: Re: Joseph's Spanish Troops
Post by: DHautpol on 01 June 2024, 01:09:24 PM
There's a very small amount at the back of Haythornthwaite's Uniforms of the Peninsula War 1807-1814 (Blandford).

Basically a few paragraphs detailing facing colours for infantry and cavalry. Of course, these were the uniform regulations and the uniforms, or indeed the units themselves, may not have actually existed.
Title: Re: Joseph's Spanish Troops
Post by: fsn on 01 June 2024, 04:55:09 PM
Thank you. I have the Haythornthwaite, there's also an interesting picture of the 7th Lancers in the companion Uniforms of the Napoleonic Wars.

You have put your thumb on the issue though - may not have actually existed. I've got an OOB of Joseph's army at Vittoria - here -  (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Vitoria_order_of_battle) which seems reasonably consistent across several sources.

Of the 7 line infantry regiments that may have been, only one - the 2nd Toledo - was at Vittoria. I have one source that suggests the 1st Madrid was also raised, but of the other five ...
(https://media2.giphy.com/media/1Zbeweu52ZaQE/giphy.gif?cid=6c09b9524vdm7b7g1f03y2glghf6itmzx120xk810u5zu3mk&ep=v1_gifs_search&rid=giphy.gif&ct=g)

Napoleon's War in Spain by Lachouque et al has a lovely illustration of various uniforms including the 3rd Line, but says little more on the matter.
Title: Re: Joseph's Spanish Troops
Post by: John Cook on 02 June 2024, 09:47:13 PM
Not sure what your definition of 'price-concious' is but El Ejercito Espanol de Jose Napoleon 1808-1813 is the book to have I think.  I no speaka da lingo I hear you say - neither do I but it isn't that hard to follow and it does give you chapter and verse.  Here's a link.  https://www.abebooks.co.uk/9788494649912/Ej%C3%A9rcito-espa%C3%B1ol-Jos%C3%A9-Napole%C3%B3n-1808-1813-8494649914/plp
Title: Re: Joseph's Spanish Troops
Post by: fsn on 03 June 2024, 07:43:43 AM
Thank you. That's in the acceptable range.

I take your word for it that not being able to speak Spanish is not a bar. Actually, I work with someone who's a Spanish speaker, so I may have a way for the more difficult passages.

Thank you.