Hi, I want to play with british in North Africa. And I see the límit for normal Stuart in the armour section is 1 for every 1000 points. Is this correct?
Thanks a lot for tour work.
Is the page 95 of my copy.
Thanks.
There are 3 lines on the army list I'm looking at - the 1st M3 Stuart Honey has a limit of 12 per 1000 pts.
I'm not really sure what the other 2 are meant to represent.
Perhaps my list is outdated. But, in my copy of the rulebook, in page 95 in the British Army in Africa there's 2 entrances for M3 stuart (one recce and an other without recce) and south are limited to 1 for every 1000 points.
Sorry for the insistence and thanks.
In my copy there is no Honey line. If what you say is correct I'll have to look for the correct copy.
Thanks a lot.
12 Honey is good for my list.
In the aniré post south = bouth
QuoteIn the above post south = bouth
Had another look - the info I gave was from the 2019 PDF. Looking at the 2020 PDF I also have, it seems to have the same info as you.
But just being able to field one M3 Stuart per 1000 seems wrong. There were whole regiments, if not brigades equipped with Stuarts in the desert
I think the same as you. I hope this is a type.
Have an exact figure and brigade number be this should not be far off-
Prior to Crusader - no Stuarts
Crusader - 22nd Armouerd? had 3 Regiments
Post that up to Alemain - at least one Brigade had regiments with 2 Squadronds of Grants - one of Stuarts. Note that Crusader Rgts had 2 Crusader 1 Grant
At Alemain one Brigade (7th?) down south had only Stuart.
Those figures suggest that in Crusader there should be no limit, for Gazala a limit 0f 5 per 1000 - a rgt here would be 5 Stuarts and 6-8 Grants (Grant Squadrons only had 3 troops +SHQ, Stuart 4 +SHQ)
For Alemain there should be no limit on Stuarts but no other tanks can be used...For the other Crusier Rgts its a mess - one at least had 1 Sqdn Sherman, 1 Crusader and one Grant. some were all Sherman, others mixed Shermans and Crusaders or Grants and Crusaders.
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NB: I suspect that it is probably a copying error on my part, from the BKCII to BCKIV lists, and that 12 per,000 points for North Africa sound right. So I'd use that.
Cheers
Mark
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Perfect. Thank you very much.
Yikes , just saw this.
That's a big change to the list , so I just want to confirm the Stuarts move from 1 to 12 ?
Yup - that seems reasonable.
The lists are not really broken down to the granularity outlined by Ian, and I cannot remember what a Stuart costs in points (off the top of my head) but players are generally encouraged to try and find and use historical OOBs, where-ever possible.
Cheers
Mark
My hard copy of BKC IV has 3 lines under armour for the M3 Stuart:
M3 Stuart Honey 65pts limit 12, 10/41+
M3 Stuart Honey 60pts limit 1 exposed, no AT value
M3 Stuart 90pts 90pts limit 1 10/41+
So for the Stuarts in armoured regiments I would just take the 12 limit (1/40 AP, 2/40 AT) 65 pt tanks and ignore the other two entries (the 60pt might be for an early turretless version in Tunisia, no idea on the 90pt).
BKCII had tank unit (Honey) at 65pt from 10/41 with a limit of 12.
Edward
I assume that the "M3 Stuart Honey 60pts limit 1 exposed, no AT value" is the turretless version used for recce and, initially, that the "M3 Stuart 90pts 90pts limit 1 10/41+" was the 75mm howitzer motor carriage M8 but the latter didn't come in until 09/42, as far as I'm aware.
Quote from: kustenjaeger on 16 February 2025, 07:09:28 PMMy hard copy of BKC IV has 3 lines under armour for the M3 Stuart:
M3 Stuart Honey 65pts limit 12, 10/41+
M3 Stuart Honey 60pts limit 1 exposed, no AT value
M3 Stuart 90pts 90pts limit 1 10/41+
So for the Stuarts in armoured regiments I would just take the 12 limit (1/40 AP, 2/40 AT) 65 pt tanks and ignore the other two entries (the 60pt might be for an early turretless version in Tunisia, no idea on the 90pt).
BKCII had tank unit (Honey) at 65pt from 10/41 with a limit of 12.
Edward
I'll double-check the points values but the turret-less one is the Recce version.
Not sure what the 90pts one is - as a Recce version of the turreted variant would come in at 85pts.
But 60-65pts sounds about right.
I'll come back on that.
Cheers
Mark