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Wider Wargaming => Genre/Period Discussion => Firelocks to Maxims (1680 - 1900) => Topic started by: Enigmatic Gamer on 13 July 2023, 09:54:09 AM

Title: Austrian Infantry Brigades 1809
Post by: Enigmatic Gamer on 13 July 2023, 09:54:09 AM
Hi

Can anybody please tell me whether German and Hungarian Battalions operated in mixed brigades in the 1809 campaign or were they each in their own respective brigades?

Thanks
Keith
Title: Re: Austrian Infantry Brigades 1809
Post by: fsn on 13 July 2023, 12:15:02 PM
Not sure about 1809, but when I looked at 1813 there weren't any mixed brigades at Leipzig.
Title: Re: Austrian Infantry Brigades 1809
Post by: Enigmatic Gamer on 13 July 2023, 12:19:05 PM
QuoteNot sure about 1809, but when I looked at 1813 there weren't any mixed brigades at Leipzig.


Thanks for that. Having read about some language difficulties I had a feeling they would not be mixed. I must admit I have the
Leipzig book from Nafziger, but didn't think to look there. Doh!
Title: Re: Austrian Infantry Brigades 1809
Post by: Gwydion on 13 July 2023, 02:17:24 PM
1809 tended to be brigaded as Hungarian brigades, or German brigades, but mixed Divisions existed -eg at Eggmuhl -Div von Lindenau had Rohan Regt #50 (German) attached from Vecesey's Bde, and von Mayer's Bde  with Stain Regt #50 (German)  and Reinhard's Bde with Hiller Regt #2 and Sztarrai Regt #33 (both Hungarian).

Regiments tended to get cross attached as circumstances dictated.

Hiller and Sztarrai were still brigaded together at Aspern but were in a division with Czartoryski #9 and Reuss-Greitz #55 (both German).

I think there were some mixed divisions if not brigades on the Italian front as well.
Title: Re: Austrian Infantry Brigades 1809
Post by: Chad on 13 July 2023, 02:48:17 PM
There is a mixed Division at Leipzig. 3rd Corps, 2nd Division. 1 Brigade 'German' and 1 Brigade 'Hungarian'
Title: Re: Austrian Infantry Brigades 1809
Post by: kustenjaeger on 13 July 2023, 08:44:57 PM
In April 1809 Jellacic's Division (which was detached) had Ettingshausen's Brigade with IR.32 (Esterhazy) which was Hungarian and IR.45 (De Vaux) which was German.

Source: Gill vol I Appendix 2

Edward
Title: Re: Austrian Infantry Brigades 1809
Post by: Enigmatic Gamer on 14 July 2023, 07:51:57 AM
Quote1809 tended to be brigaded as Hungarian brigades, or German brigades, but mixed Divisions existed -eg at Eggmuhl -Div von Lindenau had Rohan Regt #50 (German) attached from Vecesey's Bde, and von Mayer's Bde  with Stain Regt #50 (German)  and Reinhard's Bde with Hiller Regt #2 and Sztarrai Regt #33 (both Hungarian).

Regiments tended to get cross attached as circumstances dictated.

Hiller and Sztarrai were still brigaded together at Aspern but were in a division with Czartoryski #9 and Reuss-Greitz #55 (both German).

I think there were some mixed divisions if not brigades on the Italian front as well.

Thanks for that very helpful info.👍
Title: Re: Austrian Infantry Brigades 1809
Post by: Enigmatic Gamer on 14 July 2023, 07:53:27 AM
QuoteIn April 1809 Jellacic's Division (which was detached) had Ettingshausen's Brigade with IR.32 (Esterhazy) which was Hungarian and IR.45 (De Vaux) which was German.

Source: Gill vol I Appendix 2

Edward

Thanks Edward.
Title: Re: Austrian Infantry Brigades 1809
Post by: Enigmatic Gamer on 14 July 2023, 07:55:39 AM
QuoteThere is a mixed Division at Leipzig. 3rd Corps, 2nd Division. 1 Brigade 'German' and 1 Brigade 'Hungarian'

Thank you for responding 👍
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