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Pendraken News & Info! => General Pendraken => Topic started by: Huntsm on 26 October 2022, 07:44:03 AM

Title: Sino-Soviet Border War 1969
Post by: Huntsm on 26 October 2022, 07:44:03 AM
Hi

Can anyone recommend any AFVs and artillery for this conflict? I have recently bought the two books by Helion on this and while it does provide some information, ie the Russians were using T62s, Grads and BTR60s, it's a bit light on the artillery used by both sides and the armour used by the PLA. I am assuming that they used the T59, but what APCs did they use?

Thanks

Stephen
Title: Re: Sino-Soviet Border War 1969
Post by: Big Insect on 26 October 2022, 09:26:39 AM
The Chinese were very short on APCs - tended to use Trucks for motorised infantry and Tank Descant Infantry riders supporting the tanks. Take a look at the free CWCII list for the Chinese - it might give you a helpful steer.
The PLA was still using JS-2s quite late as well.
Title: Re: Sino-Soviet Border War 1969
Post by: sultanbev on 26 October 2022, 09:50:45 AM
I do only have one relevant Chinese list in the MicroMark collection
CH16M: Chinese Armoured Division c1968-1975
Tanks are Type 59, with Type 62 or T-34/85 in divisions in rough terrain areas.
APC are BTR-152, only one Mech Bttn per division, the other two battalions being in trucks
Recce use BTR-40 APC; Type 60 and Type 63 light tanks
artillery is all WW2 era Soviet copies - 76m M42, 85mm D44, 122mm howitzers and 120mm mortars.

Mark
Title: Re: Sino-Soviet Border War 1969
Post by: Big Insect on 26 October 2022, 10:58:11 AM
The Chinese apparently had 60 x JS-2s at the time of the Sino-Soviet border war, but they appear to have been placed in concrete bunkers along the boarder.

The Soviets also used JS-3s against the Chinese - but I've no idea of the numbers.
The challenge with the JS-3 is its very slow rate of fire (2 rounds per minute at best) and it was primarily best as an Infantry Support Tank, against fortifications and in BUAs.
Title: Re: Sino-Soviet Border War 1969
Post by: Huntsm on 26 October 2022, 11:28:29 AM
Thanks for your helpful replies. It has given me food for thought. Where can I find the free CWCII PLA lists?

Thanks

Stephen
Title: Re: Sino-Soviet Border War 1969
Post by: Big Insect on 26 October 2022, 11:32:53 AM
Quote from: Huntsm on 26 October 2022, 11:28:29 AMThanks for your helpful replies. It has given me food for thought. Where can I find the free CWCII PLA lists?
Thanks

Stephen

Hi Stephen - if you go to the Cold War Commander section of the forum - there is a thread with links to the CWC-II army lists. The PLA list is there.
Cheers
Mark
Title: Re: Sino-Soviet Border War 1969
Post by: Huntsm on 26 October 2022, 03:44:46 PM
Hi Mark

Thanks for this. I found the page very quickly.

Best wishes

Stephen
Title: Re: Sino-Soviet Border War 1969
Post by: Big Insect on 26 October 2022, 06:04:00 PM
A pleasure - I look forward to hearing how you get on.
KR
Mark
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