I am a bit confused about when the British wore the round hats during the American War of Independance. I initially thought it was a later war thing but have seen some pictures from earlier in the period. Specifically, I am thinking about building British for Princton or Camden. Would it be more accurate to have my British regulars in round hats or standard tricorns for these battles? Thanks in advance for the help!!!
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I'm sure someone knowledgeable will be around in a moment. Not me though. Probably someone from the left side of the Pond. I have a blind spot between Malplaquet and Maida, couldn't tell a round hat from a round shot.
Pretty much every other period though - except the Renaissance - too many frills in the Renaissance. Bit like the 18th Century in that respect. Maybe I'm frill-phobic or just anti-frill. That lizard in Jurassic Park, that scared the blue funk out of me - you know - the one with the frill and the spitting. Although it could just be the Tudors. I mean, the Tudors are a bit overdone and pop up everywhere, not that they spit poison. But the did have a big ruff and bad teeth, so maybe their spit was a bit dangerous.
And doilies. Not fond of doilies. There sort of a frill in a circular defence.
Apart from the Renaissance and the 18th Century, I'm really quite interested in most things. Except football, I mean I'm interested in most things military. Football isn't really war is it? Except in Central America in 1969. Colonial. I don't do colonial. Not sure why, just never caught my interest. Not a lot of frills in Colonial. Feathers, but not really frills. I don't mind feathers.
I did have a mild interest in the Spanish-American War. I know it was a mild flirtation 'cos it resulted in less than 100 figures per side. Nothing more than a big skirmish really. No frills though - even with the Spanish being there.
Speaking of which, Pendraken have bowled me a googly. Spent two years flogging my way through 1813 Napoleonic and then Pendraken release Peninsular War ranges. *tut* I'm not starting all that malarky again, except of course I'll have to create a Spanish army. Not too sure exactly what, probably be based on Romana's 1807 Danish Corps and be oh, about 720 infantry 180 cavalry and 6 guns. Be quite fun to put them against the Danes. Be quite pretty - red against white. I don't mind a bit of colour, but not keen on frills.
Anyway, look at you keeping me here chatting. Not as if I don't have some wild things to do on a Friday night. Actually, "wild things" nowadays probably means breaking out a fresh brush. Still, those Roman Auxiliaries won't paint themselves.
And not a frill or a round hat in sight.
Think it was the round hats were pinned up to make tricorns?
There is a uniform shift between campaign dress early un the North, and late in the Carolinas and warmer areas, and newly arrived troops in formal dress mid campaign in the New York area?
Still waiting for someone knowledgeable?
In the meantime, you may enjoy this video about hats.
That might be one for Clib if he's about?
QuoteI am a bit confused about when the British wore the round hats during the American War of Independance. I initially thought it was a later war thing but have seen some pictures from earlier in the period. Specifically, I am thinking about building British for Princton or Camden. Would it be more accurate to have my British regulars in round hats or standard tricorns for these battles? Thanks in advance for the help!!!
Off the top of my head, probably starting to become widely adopted from 1776 onwards following the evacuation of Boston when Howe re-organised the army and definitely round hats in Howe's army for the 1777 Philadelphia campaign (see Della Gatta's paintings). As it's getting late, I'll have a look tomorrow and if I find anything, I'll let you know.
There you go. Knew there would be someone who knew.
Good old Westie!
So it looks like I should go for British in round hats for the regulars. Thanks everyone!!!
fsn, any pictures of those 1813 forces? You got me interested. My French:
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I don't think you can go wrong with that, lekw. I did have a brief look and everything still pointed to Howe's reforms in Halifax after the evacuation of Boston. If you ever decide to do Burgoyne's campaign leading up to Saratoga however, cocked hats cut down to light infantry style hats for his army was more Burgoyne's thing. The cocked hat ('tricorne' as we 21st century folks often say) could be turned down to deal with real life weather conditions on campaign in the 18th century. For example, even as early as the '45 Rebellion in the UK, there's a series of sketches called the Penicuik Sketches which feature government militia with apparently turned down cocked hats (just like slouch hats) and turnbacks on coats unbuttoned presumably to deal with real life campaign weather and not just to look good on parade. However, in America, there was a definite move to convert the 1768 regulation uniforms for service to cope with the American climate and without any doubt, the scissors, needle & thread came out to cut down the coats and the hats (to slouch hats).
The British Army got "a bad press" when I was first taught about the AWI in school. Yes, there were two decisive defeats (Saratoga and Yorktown) but actually, I am astounded by how they well they adapted to the American theatre and how well they fought, overall. Don't get me wrong, the Americans have also to be admired for how they evolved into an effective fighting force and fought toe to toe with the Brits but ultimately, outnumbered by Americans, French, Spanish and Dutch in not only the American theatre but the rest of the world the Brits' chance of winning was slim, to say the least. A lesson many nations should pay heed to - you cannot expect to take on the world and win. A good book to read is "Fusiliers" by Mark Urban. This focuses on one of the most famous British regiments of the SYW (one of the 'Minden Six') and AWI, the 23rd Welch Fusiliers, and tells the story of how the British Army lost America but learned how to fight again - lessons that ultimately contributed to its success in the Napoleonic Wars.
Quotefsn, any pictures of those 1813 forces? You got me interested.
French? Oh yeah. They were involved too, weren't they?
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From 1815
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My photography is nearly as bad as my painting.
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Current project is the Danes
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... and Cold War
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... and Imperial Romans
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But after that I'm going for Napoleonic Ottoman, Napoleonic Spanish and Ancient Indian .. and BAOR .. and then I may get round to Napoleonic French.
Thats a seriously impressive collection FSN :)
Your British RHA rocket troop looks very good, not sure how effective they were in actual battle though?
=P~ =P~ :-bd
Quote from: pierre the shy on 09 October 2022, 09:35:09 AMTYour British RHA rocket troop looks very good, not sure how effective they were in actual battle though?
Oh, not very effective at all. Wellington hated them.
In my rules they're good if they hit, but rarely do, and may turn back on the firers. They do have an adverse morale effect on their targets though.
Great collection fsn !! 8)
Would be cool to see some more parade (or game photos) - particularly against a green background, rather than the shiney blue!
:-bd =D> :-bd