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A huge and comprehensive range please... pretty please....

Quote from: Ben Waterhouse on 09 March 2010, 09:10:39 AM
A huge and comprehensive range please... pretty please....

We'll see what we can do...   ;D

We could use some French, Russians, Austrians for the 1805 period (I want to do Austerlitz in 10mm). ;)

The Napoleonic range will be getting completely redone in the future, hopefully over this year, ready for release in early 2011?

This is great to hear - is it a serious plan?  I know that as someone who has talked up 10mm Napoleonics for a long (long, long) time, I've revealed myself as a terribly picky old git by not really liking the Old Glory "strip" approach or MM's sculpting style.  GHQ seems to be doing a credible job at slow-and-steady expansion (but would prefer marching poses...), and Bend Sinister the same, but a comprehensive Pendraken range at the same standard as the SYW range would be perfect!

I'm more than happy to put my projects on hold for a year if the plans are solid.  It might give time to "clear the deck"!

Cheers,

Christopher

We've got a lot of stuff on at the moment, but the Napoleonics will be getting done at some point soon.  We've got a rough deadline we're working to, but it's fitting it in around other projects.

Hi everybody,
No, the war beetween french and allied don't begin in 1800. We could have some beautifull figures for the 1780-1799 period.  ;D

I second this :)

I second this also ;D and nobody does it in 10mm!

That's a quick three votes!  I'll add it to the list!  We've got a range of Rev. Austrians already.

Thanks for this support  :)

It would be great to see a large Pendraken Napoleonic range. I too would be up for the 1905 period armies. No cast on flags please!

Thats 1805 of course!

Are there any pictures of the Austrian range somewhere.
On this moment I thinking about starting the french revolution as a new period, never saw them in 10mm

I'm not sure if anyone else has any pics of the Austrian & French Rev. ranges anywhere.  I'll try and get some taken, but not sure when as we're busy getting ready for a show this week.

I'll make a note of the 'no cast on flags'.  That way we can sell you some flags as well!

Phew- gives me an excuse to wait till next year before going over the top in another 10mm period!

Personally I'd like to see single pose packs- a unit doing 3 seperate things looks a bit odd.

2 flag poles with the Brits please!

Quote from: Leon on 15 March 2010, 05:42:31 PM
I'll make a note of the 'no cast on flags'.  That way we can sell you some flags as well!

And not just flags. I cant wait to see your EE (Early Empire) line. If you deliver and produce 1806 Prussians and Saxons and early bicorned French voltigeurs and whatnot by 2011, I can assure you there's a lot more you can sell me, including your mother in law. I'm really pleased about this news. It is obvious that a few posts in a forum do not a market niche make, but this thread alone must be worth a couple thousand quid in prospective Pendraken orders.  :P

Cheers,
Aart

--------Personally I'd like to see single pose packs------------

Ouch, I am exactly the opposite.  I like dynamic units composed of multple-poses as with their AWI, Late Roman and most other Pendraken lines.  Single pose figures look like a line of statues rather than a unit of troops-way too much of a static look. 

And right now, every manufacturer is single pose for Napoleonics which is the primary reason I haven't done Napoleonics in 10mm. 

It's a never ending debate between single/multi pose packs.  At the moment we're leaning towards single pose.  We could maybe do a slight variation of that pose, but by doing two completely different poses, you immediately double the time/cost needed to get the range designed.  If you look at the way our SYW/Marlburian ranges are structured, we'll probably do something similar to that, and then people can mix and match to their hearts content.

Personally I prefer single pose packs BUT with a few variants of the same pose please (like AWI range)... I hate to have units of massed clones!.

I really like both the AWI and ACW multi-pose lines.  The units look alive.

The problem with the multi pose packs is that there are limited numbers of poses, doing stuff that doesnt go together- I bought a trial pack a couple of years ago, and it was firing/marching/advancing mix (I think); they didn't really mix.  I realise a variation of a pose, is for sculpting costs, a new pose, but ideally the soldiers should be doing similar but still slightly different things - variations of a theme.  Also due to the amount that you buy with 10mm buying different packs and mixing them up isn't a problem.  I can never remember the make up of multi pose packs.

Also seperate command packs is my personal preference

I totally agree with you Hussar.  :D

The thing that has kept me (and many others I think) away from converting wholesale to 10mm Napoleonics is lack of depth in lines, not lack of variety in figures.  In other words, if there is a choice between covering the period in a complete fashion or having a less complete line with more pack variation, I'll go with completeness of the line every time.  Multi-pose packs in a line that doesn't allow me to actually collect and play the period aren't any use to anybody.

The period as a whole (or even just considering the early period pre-1809) is so massive that it really can't be compared to the AWI or ACW periods, which were much more straightforward and bilateral wars.  I long ago put together comprehensive figure type lists for the 1796-1800 period, just in Italy, and the number of pack types was huge.  It's not that I wouldn't want minor pose variations (2-3 per pack max), but realistically I would rather see other troop types - which would probably also sell more packs per investment in sculpting than poses would.

Cheers,

Christopher

You are right about the lack of depth in some lines Christopher, but the thing that detract me most is having all the members of a unit looking like clones, I like it a bit more dinamic... but as you said realistically there can't be so many variations like in AWI range. If I have to choice I would conform with something like this: infantry in march attack pose (2-3 variations), firing/loading for skirmishes and cavalry (2 variations)... very little for some people for sure!.

Quote-------------You are right about the lack of depth in some lines Christopher, but the thing that detract me most is having all the members of a unit looking like clones,-----

The same for me.  Thiry years ago, the line of statues was OK.  Today, I just puts me off.

Quote-----------The problem with the multi pose packs is that there are limited numbers of poses, doing stuff that doesnt go together----------

I agree here as well.  I have picked up a number of packs containing several poses but the poses were incompatible.   It sort of defeats the purpose unless the figures are for a minor unit type requiring only a limited number of units.

The ACW line works well with even a limited number of poses in a pack.    I could easily build a whole army just with the advancing pack with their three or four poses.  Although the marching pack is also excellent.  The AWI line is a dream come true with the huge variety of poses but I can understand not to expect that sort of line everyday.  The ACW line seems a nice compromise between the ideal of the AWI line and the single pose statue look. 

Cavalry and Artillery Pretty please!

(And Russians, Prussians, Brits, various weird micro states,  Indians, Ottomans...)

One of the designers is interested in doing a new range for these, plus we've had a few requests for them.  No timescales on it though.

What it says.

I could use a sapper with my Napoleonic troops. A generic sapper in a bearskin would be best. He could be used for all nationalities.

Hark! Is that the sound of a designer running off to the library to get sapper monographies, sapper pictures, sapper stories, a copy of Ye Compleat Sappere?  ;D

Cheers,
Aart

I looked at the Sappers when I was doing some reading for the new range.  I would think they would get done at some point.

What! theres going to be a new Napoleonic Range!!??
Any chance of ........

Ok ok ok

:D

Quote from: 17-21l on 17 May 2010, 10:11:33 PM
What! theres going to be a new Napoleonic Range!!??
Any chance of ........

Ok ok ok

:D

:D

Quote from: Leon on 17 May 2010, 07:45:11 PM
I looked at the Sappers when I was doing some reading for the new range.  I would think they would get done at some point.

Has said point been reached, Leon? Or is it in sight? My 94^ème and 95^èmede Ligne can not invade Prussia without decent sapper support.

Otherwise, I'm afraid I'll have to make do by cutting up some grenadiers (in bearskins) and giving them an apron made from cigarette paper...  :-\

Cheers,
Aart

Quote from: Aart Brouwer on 07 September 2010, 08:31:28 PM
Has said point been reached, Leon? Or is it in sight? My 94^ème and 95^èmede Ligne can not invade Prussia without decent sapper support.

Otherwise, I'm afraid I'll have to make do by cutting up some grenadiers (in bearskins) and giving them an apron made from cigarette paper...  :-\

I think you'll have to get the cigarette papers out, cos we've got to do the foot, mounted, artillery and the command first!

Quote from: Leon on 08 September 2010, 02:38:17 AM
I think you'll have to get the cigarette papers out, cos we've got to do the foot, mounted, artillery and the command first!

I know, I know, and I love you anyway. :-*

Seriously, it's no big deal. Maybe I'll put up some pics of my ciggerdier/grenafag conversions, either because they succeed or because I need help from others...  :D

Cheers,
Aart

Actually my grenappers are coming along nicely.  :P

Fortunately, the bearskins of 1806 French grenadiers aren't that different from those of the period French sappers, so I have taken the liberty of converting some grenadiers.  :-bd

I have already remodelled their guns into axe stems by trimming them down and adding flat, axe-head shaped pieces of pewter which I nipped off the flag staffs of some French 1806 flagbearers. The French didn't bring flags to battle in the first place, and since the Pendraken command packs do not contain sergeants with spontoons I have to 'remodel' some flagbearers into sergeants anyway. So I cut some flag staff bits into the required length, flattened them with the aid of a nipper, cut them into axe-head shape and grafted them onto the stems with superglue. They look fine so far, and I trust the 6 gentlemen will be quite convincing after I've added the cigarette paper aprons and painted them off white.

Allonz'enfants!  >:<

Cheers,
Aart

EDIT

BTW I really wonder how many Napoleonic players (as well as rule-makers!) make do without sappers...

Hello, first post here.  Looking at doing a major Napoleonic project in 10mm over the next few years, so the news of the new range is exciting.  I personally would like to see a few variants for mounted & dismounted officers and suitable figures for sergeants/file closers.  Looking at doing larger units with the supernumeraries behind the rankers and would prefer to not have them all look exactly alike.   

While a few variations in pose for the rank & file would be nice, the only place I think multiple poses are really necessary in this scale is for skirmishers.   

Looking forward to the new range!


Bart

Quote from: KaBar on 25 September 2010, 05:44:29 PM
Hello, first post here.  Looking at doing a major Napoleonic project in 10mm over the next few years, so the news of the new range is exciting.  I personally would like to see a few variants for mounted & dismounted officers and suitable figures for sergeants/file closers.  Looking at doing larger units with the supernumeraries behind the rankers and would prefer to not have them all look exactly alike.   

While a few variations in pose for the rank & file would be nice, the only place I think multiple poses are really necessary in this scale is for skirmishers.   

Looking forward to the new range!

Bart

Welcome to the Forum Bart!  We've gone for a slight difference in the march pose, just to give a bit of variation.

Hi Leon,

Thanks for the welcome.   The variations in march attack will be nice.  Any hints as to when the first figures will hit the market? 

Bart

Quote from: KaBar on 26 September 2010, 06:44:01 PM
Hi Leon,

Thanks for the welcome.   The variations in march attack will be nice.  Any hints as to when the first figures will hit the market? 

Bart

We'll be getting them ready for the start of 2011.

Spanish Napoleonic cavalry, 1805-1808. Line, lancers, dragoons, and hussars: the whole shooting match.

(No hurry. Obviously.  :D )

I've added those, we'll see what happens once Wagrams out of the way.

Quote from: Leon on 19 October 2010, 12:22:59 PM
we'll see what happens once Wagrams out of the way.

thats what the Austrians said and we all know what happened to them....

Thank you -- that will probably be fortuitous timing. We'll see what happens.

Can we have Napoleonic Polish Lancers too as well as the line lancers

Quote from: Maenoferren on 26 October 2010, 10:10:21 PM
Can we have Napoleonic Polish Lancers too as well as the line lancers

Added!

Have you intention to make French and Russian army for Austerlitz 1805 campaign?
and 1806 Prussians and Saxons?
Merci.

Probably at some point, but it'll be when we start extending the new 1809 range we're releasing next year.

Hi , new to the site. Very interested in Napoleonic period and i would welcome a range with slight variation in similar poses .i'am also interested in French in campaign dress.

Looking to make this my next major project . Very excited that a new range  will be out shortly .