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Title: League of Augsburg
Post by: lentulus on 09 August 2022, 11:41:25 PM
What are people using for rules for that conflict?  In 10mm of course!
Title: Re: League of Augsburg
Post by: fred. on 10 August 2022, 07:15:06 AM
I haven't actually to gaming this period yet - painting is proving slow!

But I thinking of using For King and Parliament - which are ECW rules but I don't think will need much in the way of additions to move them forward a few decades. 
Title: Re: League of Augsburg
Post by: mmcv on 10 August 2022, 07:41:01 AM
Twilight of the Sun King will likely be my choice when I get to it. I played a test game of it with just empty bases and it played nicely. There are also a few suggested updates available to align the rules more closely with its successors (mostly minor stuff like clarifying turn order and using standard d6 rather than average dice) as well as having some nice scenario books. When I finish my ECW project LoA is likely next on the agenda for the period.
Title: Re: League of Augsburg
Post by: Steve J on 10 August 2022, 07:51:46 AM
Barry Hilton's War of the Three Kings looks good but have yet to play any games, so can't really comment on them per se. BPII would work with the tweaks in one of the supplements, the 'To Kill a King' one?
Title: Re: League of Augsburg
Post by: Ben Waterhouse on 10 August 2022, 08:48:23 AM
War of the three kings, had them and the previous versions for years. Lovely games
Title: Re: League of Augsburg
Post by: Scorpio_Rocks on 10 August 2022, 12:01:39 PM
Black powder and  War of the three kings
Title: Re: League of Augsburg
Post by: Hwiccee on 10 August 2022, 02:48:47 PM
We use the Twilight of the Sun King rules for larger battles in this era. There are scenario books too  - https://www.wfgamers.org.uk/resources/C18/Twilight/ToSK
Title: Re: League of Augsburg
Post by: Duke Speedy of Leighton on 11 August 2022, 07:33:09 AM
ReG, Meg's cousin
Title: Re: League of Augsburg
Post by: Raider4 on 11 August 2022, 03:59:06 PM
QuoteWe use the Twilight of the Sun King rules for larger battles in this era. There are scenario books too  - https://www.wfgamers.org.uk/resources/C18/Twilight/ToSK
There's what looks like the original version of Twilight of the Sun King available here (https://balagan.info/twilight-of-the-sun-king-2001-version).

Does this give a flavour of how the modern version plays, or is it wildly different, do you know?
Title: Re: League of Augsburg
Post by: mmcv on 11 August 2022, 09:12:42 PM
Hwiccee  has a great set of videos covering all three Twilight rulesets and a summary of the rules https://youtube.com/channel/UCGJTV26KVNRcSE-Qs_8vq5w if you look at the playlists you'll find them in order. Gives enough of an overview that you could near play the game from them alone.
Title: Re: League of Augsburg
Post by: Hwiccee on 12 August 2022, 05:36:54 PM
Quote from: Raider4 on 11 August 2022, 03:59:06 PMThere's what looks like the original version of Twilight of the Sun King available here (https://balagan.info/twilight-of-the-sun-king-2001-version).

Does this give a flavour of how the modern version plays, or is it wildly different, do you know?

Some of the original ideas, which were originally in an earlier version (1994), are the same now but basically it is very different now and evolving.
Title: Re: League of Augsburg
Post by: Bunny on 20 August 2022, 08:23:01 AM
Quote from: lentulus on 09 August 2022, 11:41:25 PMWhat are people using for rules for that conflict?  In 10mm of course!
I used BlackPowder/Pike and Shotte
Title: Re: League of Augsburg
Post by: rct75001 on 21 August 2022, 12:55:47 AM
Quote from: Ben Waterhouse on 10 August 2022, 08:48:23 AMWar of the three kings, had them and the previous versions for years. Lovely games

Does unit size (figs on the base?) matter.  I had heard they were small # of figs (like 24).

I want to use my 10mm to create unit with quite a bit of heft.

Thanks
Richard 
Title: Re: League of Augsburg
Post by: Ben Waterhouse on 21 August 2022, 11:04:59 AM
Quote from: rct75001 on 21 August 2022, 12:55:47 AMDoes unit size (figs on the base?) matter.  I had heard they were small # of figs (like 24).

I want to use my 10mm to create unit with quite a bit of heft.

Thanks
Richard 

In the rules, yes (18 - 24 figures for a battalion e.g.) I suppose you could double this and treat two figures as one for the rules.

Cheers Ben
Title: Re: League of Augsburg
Post by: kustenjaeger on 21 August 2022, 12:08:29 PM
War of Three Kings (or the earlier Beneath the Lily Banners) have three stands per battalion (nominally 6 per stand but does not matter) [potentially olus a pike marker base if the unit has pikes] and two stands (nominally 3 figures) per squadron.  I've played around with ~30-36 figure battalions using sample Pendraken packs and you can make anything work.

Edward
Title: Re: League of Augsburg
Post by: rct75001 on 22 August 2022, 08:17:04 AM
Thanks Ben and Edward.

Worth me looking at then.  I was (am still) considering GaPa with the WSS modifications.

Richard