As the title say, this is my first foray into 10mm, and I felt that opening a thread here could hopefully invite some constructive help and tips as I descend further into this project. My first goal is to paint up units for the battle of Helsingborg (1710), which makes for a good mix of swedish and danish units, which on paper makes for a pretty even fight but historically developed into a devastating Danish defeat.
Anyway, here's my first finished unit, a Swedish command stand.
(https://i.imgur.com/Ebch7s6.jpg)
I am trying out a pretty desaturated/dry basing scheme for this project, which hopefully lets the colourful uniforms of the period "pop". Historically, the battle was fought in the winter but I just don't like winter bases.
Looking good those and welcome to bedlam. On bases Id do them as fairly general ground, so you made the right decison there.
Those look great!
Very, very nicely done!
I like the basing ..... and the figures, of course.
Great start.
The basing works well to set the figures off. Looking forward to seeing more - as I've thought about using the LoA figures for Swedes.
Will have to keep an eye on this...
Got a Swedish commission to do for these too!
Brilliant work there 8) .
Great introduction, looking forward to seeing this project progress. Do you know what rules you plan to use and how you'll be basing the main troops?
Welcome collegialhoagie :-h
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Those look particularly good, as others have said the basing sets them off well
Thanks for all the kind replies!
QuoteGreat start.
The basing works well to set the figures off. Looking forward to seeing more - as I've thought about using the LoA figures for Swedes.
QuoteWill have to keep an eye on this...
Got a Swedish commission to do for these too!
The LoA tricorne command units work well enough I think, the sash is quite speculative here as swedish officers didn't war one afaik, but I've seen a similar blue/yellow/gold sash in some general's portrait I can't remember atm.
QuoteGreat introduction, looking forward to seeing this project progress. Do you know what rules you plan to use and how you'll be basing the main troops?
I'm pretty sure I'll be using Gå På, the command & control aspects of that ruleset sounds really fun from a first read-through and they are after all specifically designed for GNW. I'll probably have a look at Twilight of the Sun King at some point to have a lighter ruleset at hand, but that will have to wait because they're not as easy to get a hold of in the EU as Gå På.
Basing-wise, I'm aiming for 36 fig infantry units, 6 bases with 6 figs each. Easily divided into two 18 fig units on 3 bases until I have enough to field only 36-fig units.
Very nice start to your project, will be following your progress with great interest. :)
Sounds like a great plan. Those units will look impressive on the field.
You can get a copy of Twilight of the Sun King here for the EU market here it you fancy it: https://www.pikeandshotsociety.org/paypal-eu
They are a fine start!
Once again, thanks for the kind replies. Here's the first cavalry unit:
Riksänkedrottningens livregemente till häst(Queen Dowager of the Realm's life regiment on horse).
A Indelt cavalry regiment mustering conscripts from the provinces of Halland and Bohuslän, stationed in Sweden for the first half of the war, taking part in the battles of Helsingborg 1710, Gadebusch 1712 and captured at Tönningen the year after with the surrender of field marshal Stenbock's army. In the muster of 1708 noted as being equipped with second rate uniforms, unserviceable muskets and small horses.
(https://i.imgur.com/Ep8ug8g.jpg)
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The cavalry standard has the height of 6mm which is I think is roughly double the correct scale, seems like a decend compromise between realism and visibility. At the moment only 3 squadrons/bases finished, as I need to order more marlburian dragoons to field a fourth, to make it a full strength rather than half strength unit in Gå På.
They look pretty good indeed to me. Well done!
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One minor observation, to me the command stand above has a more 'finished' look due to the edges of the base being painted to match the basing.
Beautiful
A very nice unit of horse indeed, really good job on them. :)
Quote from: paulr on 23 April 2022, 07:50:50 PM:-bd =D> :-bd
One minor observation, to me the command stand above has a more 'finished' look due to the edges of the base being painted to match the basing.
That's a fair point! I kind of like the look/contrast of the darkened mdf wood sides, but then I need to be tidier in the future when painting the top side around the edges with a light dirt colour to blend in with the basing.... I'll probably go back and paint them dark brown. :-\
Finished up my first swedish infantry regiment, quite happy with how they turned out. I'm having a great time with this project so far!
I am wondering though if this thread should have been started in the painting diary section.....
Södermanlands regemente
An indelt regiment for the province of Södemanland, participating in most of the great battles of the war, from Fraustadt 1706 and lost at Poltava 1708. Re-raised to participate at Helsingborg 1710 and Gadebusch 1712.
From the perspective of representing the regiment, interesting for never turning in the old Karpus felt hats for tricornes during the whole GNW period, and one of the few regiments we know for sure were issued distinct grenadier caps.
(https://i.imgur.com/5dwVdkG.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/Zg0RLBj.jpg)
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Loving the colour schemes. :-bd
These look great, very nice.
Love the Grenadiers on the flanks of the line, was exactly how I was thinking of doing it when I flirted with the idea of doing GNW at one point, though not to such a high standard of painting!
As to forum section, the lines between painting diaries and photo showcase are pretty blurry so I wouldn't worry too much!
Brilliant
Nice stuff
Very nice work, the uniform is cracking, your project is taking shape really well. :)
Quote from: mmcv on 27 April 2022, 11:05:55 AMLove the Grenadiers on the flanks of the line, was exactly how I was thinking of doing it when I flirted with the idea of doing GNW at one point, though not to such a high standard of painting!
Thank you! It's never too late to get this project going! ;)
First artillery unit finished and based (although yet to paint the limber); a Swedish 3-pounder regimental gun.
(https://i.imgur.com/vBobnXB.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/asrpHvp.jpg)
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I tend to put a small black dot in cannon muzzles
Lovely work there and I too put a small black dot at the end of the cannon.
Ah thanks for pointing out, I completely forgot, Looks much better now! Went back and tidied up some excess blue that didn't even see before taking the pictures.
Putting some more pictures in my blog I just started, will mostly be GNW 10mm but occasionally some 15mm wwII stuff.
https://historyandwargaming.blogspot.com/ (https://historyandwargaming.blogspot.com/)
Nice! :D
I decided to post this image of the units on the work bench for people to see how the swedish cavalry in tricon(GNS5) and the marlburian Mounted command (MAL13) blends together, and I havent't really seen GNS5 painted up while I researched the range. Maybe it could be useful for someone.
While the Marlburian figures are slightly chonkier than the GNS5 they blend well enough on the base for my standards. I must also say that even if the great nothern war range seems older I absolutely love the dynamic posing, they really catch the swedish cavalry wedge charging with cold steel.
If I could request a standard bearer with a clean flag pole I would be 100% happy with the swedish cavalry range.
(https://i.imgur.com/lvN0e52.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/lWwr2id.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/YzKM9JK.jpg)
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Looking good
Crackign work once again 8) .
Good work there
Thanks for the kind words :)
Here's the unit based and finished! I've changed up the basing process a little bit, I was never happy with the stones, I overused them and should probably have bought a finer grain. No I just sprinkle a few of them on the wood glue before I dip the base in the flock. I think it's an improvement.
Östgöta kavalleriregemente
Was a cavalry regiment originally set up in 1636, becoming indelt in 1689 drawing croft soldiers from the province of Östergötland. As part of the royal army it took part in the battles of Kliszow 1702, Warsawa 1705, Holowczyn 1708 and lost to the last man at Poltava. It was reraised and positioned under Lieutenant general Burenskiöld on the swedish left flank in the battle of Helsingborg 1710.
(https://i.imgur.com/TOFPrje.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/yhD5b9P.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/4UJKw4o.jpg)
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Looking good
Is it just me or does the changed basing process let the figure bases show a bit more :-\
(Left and center bases in the first two pictures)
Quote from: paulr on 19 May 2022, 08:08:46 AM:-bd =D> :-bd
Looking good
Is it just me or does the changed basing process let the figure bases show a bit more :-\
(Left and center bases in the first two pictures)
Hmm maybe, although the base on swedish cavalry is quite a bit more pronounced and thicker than the malburian dragoons I painted before.
I'm ususally doing one or two passes with wood glue around the base to smooth it out a bit, letting it dry before I apply the flock. I find it acceptable for now at least, I don't want to fiddle around with filler or modeling paste on this scale. Maybe I'll try one more pass with wood glue next time. Still learning what works in 10mm scale.
Very inspiring. Must start my client's...
Quote...I find it acceptable for now at least, I don't want to fiddle around with filler or modeling paste on this scale. Maybe I'll try one more pass with wood glue next time. Still learning what works in 10mm scale.
The main thing is what works for you
Hopefully my observations have been constructive help as you asked for when starting this thread
They look cracking!
On the basing maybe just try a bit thicker wood glue between the figures, might bulk out the sand a bit more.
Those are really nice. I really like how you have obviously done your research on the unit's history :-bd
Basing is a reasonably personal choice, so as others have said do it however suits you.
Sorry for the late reply and lack of progress of the project, I've been on vacation. I have on the other hand been able to finish the book Fraustadt 1706, which is a fantastic read and a recommend for anyone proficient in any scandinavian language.
QuoteThe main thing is what works for you
Hopefully my observations have been constructive help as you asked for when starting this thread
They are much appreciated, it's exactly what I wanted when I started this thread, please keep 'em coming! May I ask about your basing process btw, what flock/sand/glue etc are you using? Is there for a better way of smoothing out the edges of the figure base than wood glue in several layers?
As I written previosuly, my goal is to find an efficient basing process that can be finished in as few steps as possible, while still look decent of course. I got it pretty basic atm, maybe even too basic, but it is on the other hand very quick. ;D
QuoteThose are really nice. I really like how you have obviously done your research on the unit's history :-bd
Basing is a reasonably personal choice, so as others have said do it however suits you.
Thank you! I am fortunate to to own some excellent reference material which makes it all easier, and since I'm a researcher by trade, a big part of the fun in this project for me is the research and getting into the nitty gritty details.
I hope you enjoyed your vacation, no need to apologise for the delayed reply
Glad to know my observations are helpful, I'm enjoying seeing the high quality you are producing
My basing is a little more involved but works for me:
- mix filler, PVA and green paint to a fairly thick consistency
- coat the tops of the figure bases of the figures for this base with PVA
- spread the filler mixture on the base, avoiding label
- press figures into mixture
- smooth mixture against/onto figure bases with a toothpick
- sprinkle random light patches of brown flock
- cover with green flock
- once fully dry shake/brush off excess flock
- add any foliage etc
- paint base edges green
For these ECW Parliamentary rabble I just used PVA and flock for the sabots edges but the above basing for the inserts
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51526040946_8b9af2bb68_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2mvbqQj)
The HYW Free Company Knights got the above basing
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51526751269_d8353038d5_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2mvf4Zg)
Quote from: collegialhoagie on 27 May 2022, 08:40:03 AMThank you! I am fortunate to to own some excellent reference material which makes it all easier, and since I'm a researcher by trade, a big part of the fun in this project for me is the research and getting into the nitty gritty details.
including Hoglund's various GNW books published by Acedia Press? Got them somewhere on my shelves, they are really good references.
Quote from: paulr on 27 May 2022, 09:15:45 AMI hope you enjoyed your vacation, no need to apologise for the delayed reply
Glad to know my observations are helpful, I'm enjoying seeing the high quality you are producing
My basing is a little more involved but works for me:
- mix filler, PVA and green paint to a fairly thick consistency
- coat the tops of the figure bases of the figures for this base with PVA
- spread the filler mixture on the base, avoiding label
- press figures into mixture
- smooth mixture against/onto figure bases with a toothpick
- sprinkle random light patches of brown flock
- cover with green flock
- once fully dry shake/brush off excess flock
- add any foliage etc
- paint base edges green
For these ECW Parliamentary rabble I just used PVA and flock for the sabots edges but the above basing for the inserts
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51526040946_8b9af2bb68_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2mvbqQj)
The HYW Free Company Knights got the above basing
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51526751269_d8353038d5_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2mvf4Zg)
Thanks a lot for the write-up, I really like the look of that base! I'll consider making that kind of glue/filler paste then :-\
Quote from: pierre the shy on 27 May 2022, 10:24:01 AMincluding Hoglund's various GNW books published by Acedia Press? Got them somewhere on my shelves, they are really good references.
That is indeed the case, I was very happy to snatch the swedish three-volume edition for cheap. I also have a dog-eared exemplar of Alf Åberg's classic "Karoliner" from 1976 that I got when I was a wee lad, that book is most likely the primary reason I got interested in history. Fantastic colour illustrations of all the "indelta" regiments uniforms, with their late 17th century "pre-carolean" uniform and the later GNW uniform. Not as detailed as Höglund though, but much easier to get a hold of if one wants to search for it.
The mixture is mainly filler with enough paint to colour it and some PVA to thicken it up
I've added the following section to my blogpost (https://historyandwargaming.blogspot.com/2022/05/ostgota-cavalry-regiment.html) about the Östgöta cavalry regiment, as I went a litte bit down the rabbit hole after stumbling over the background of the officer leading the regiment during the battle of Helsingborg. An interesting example of the (initially) non-noble military families that were created from field promotions in the numerous wars of the Swedish empire, filling the ranks that the established nobility wouldn't or couldn't fill.
It was led in the battle by the acting regimental colonel Bertil Roxendorff (1657-1711), 53 year old at the time and formally retired from a life of military service in the regiment. His father Jonas Månsson was a non-noble leutenant in the Östgöta cavalry regiment when Bertil was born in 1657. When he turned 17 he took service as a simple cavalryman in the same regiment in 1674, and fought with merit in the scanian war. He was made quartermaster in 1677, and promoted to Rittmeister at the start of the Great Northern War.
Served for 35 years in the regiment until his formal discharge in 1706, when he also was ennobled, taking the name of Roxendorff. It was initially his brother Johan who earned a noble title from a long career in the military, but when Johan died in 1702 during the polish campaign, Bertil recieved his brother noble title and coat of arms. The battle of Helsingborg was his last service, as he passed away in 1711.
Roxendorff fathered 15 children(plus 3 dead in childbirth), and was deeply integrated to the Östgötra cavalry regiment and the military. Six out of his seven sons took service in the Östgöta cavalry regiment, and six out of his eight daughters married officers within the regiment.
Three of his sons served under him, one shot dead during the battle of Warsaw 1705.
Lots of fascinating rabbit holes out there, thanks for sharing this one
I wonder what the one son who didn't serve in the regiment did, must have been an interesting conversation with his Dad :-\
Quote from: paulr on 30 May 2022, 08:28:38 AMLots of fascinating rabbit holes out there, thanks for sharing this one
I wonder what the one son who didn't serve in the regiment did, must have been an interesting conversation with his Dad :-\
"Dad, I want to be a coal miner!"
"Get out! Never darken our doors again!"
QuoteLots of fascinating rabbit holes out there, thanks for sharing this one
I wonder what the one son who didn't serve in the regiment did, must have been an interesting conversation with his Dad :-\
Quote"Dad, I want to be a coal miner!"
"Get out! Never darken our doors again!"
Haha, I realise I wrote it to be a bit unclear, six of his sons took service
in the Östgöta regiment, his oldest son was apparently also in the military, but the only note I have of him is his name and that he became an "Adjutant", i.e Aide-de-camp. No birth or death dates, no idea what military unit, and no children. I have to presume he died young. :-\
Thanks, what you wrote was clear and intriguing :D
Here's my first finished danish unit. It is supposed to be an army commander stand, and for the battle of Helsingborg it will be representing the Danish army commander Jørgen Rantzau with his staff.
Jørgen Ranztau (ca 1652–1713)
The Danish invasion of Skåne 1709-1710 was originally led by Christian Ditlev Reventlow (1671-1738), a distinguished general with experience from the Spanish war of succession, who fell seriously ill on the 27th of march. Command was then given to the Lieutenant general Jørgen Ranztau merely 14 days before the battle which would prove to be decisive for the entire danish invasion effort.
Rantzau himself was a experienced army officer to say the least, who began his military service before Reventlow was even born, serving abroad as well as in the Scanian wars. After Denmark's disastrous entry and swift exit from the great northern war (March 20th - August 8th 1700), he served in the war of spanish succession, most famously leading the allied cavalry vanguard in the Battle of Oudenarde.
The outcome of the battle of Helsingborg was a disaster for Denmark and spelled the end of invasion and any realistic dreams of reuniting Scania with the rest of Denmark. The army lost roughly one third of its men as dead or captured, and a further 3500 wounded. It also lost all its field artillery, and when evacuating the army out of Helsingborg, had to kill off around 6000 horses because they couldn't be transported out fast enough.
Several historians agree that Rantzau made two crucial mistakes while in command. Firstly, the lack of communication to the different sections of the army that he was ordering the right flank to advance resulted in the whole army advancing and partial re-aligning in front of the approaching Swedes, and the fact that he decided to take personal command over the right flank made him lose the overall picture of the unfolding battle, and compounding his earlier mistake.
(https://i.imgur.com/wdsRPJI.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/SU2kXVw.jpg)
Very nice command stand and the bit of history that goes with it fascinating too :) .
Great stand.
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QuoteVery nice command stand and the bit of history that goes with it fascinating too :) .
+1 to that!
Those are lovely!
Quote from: collegialhoagie on 03 June 2022, 06:27:16 AMHere's my first finished danish unit. It is supposed to be an army commander stand, and for the battle of Helsingborg it will be representing the Danish army commander Jørgen Rantzau with his staff.
Jørgen Ranztau (ca 1652–1713)
The Danish invasion of Skåne 1709-1710 was originally led by Christian Ditlev Reventlow (1671-1738), a distinguished general with experience from the Spanish war of succession, who fell seriously ill on the 27th of march. Command was then given to the Lieutenant general Jørgen Ranztau merely 14 days before the battle which would prove to be decisive for the entire danish invasion effort.
Rantzau himself was a experienced army officer to say the least, who began his military service before Reventlow was even born, serving abroad as well as in the Scanian wars. After Denmark's disastrous entry and swift exit from the great northern war (March 20th - August 8th 1700), he served in the war of spanish succession, most famously leading the allied cavalry vanguard in the Battle of Oudenarde.
The outcome of the battle of Helsingborg was a disaster for Denmark and spelled the end of invasion and any realistic dreams of reuniting Scania with the rest of Denmark. The army lost roughly one third of its men as dead or captured, and a further 3500 wounded. It also lost all its field artillery, and when evacuating the army out of Helsingborg, had to kill off around 6000 horses because they couldn't be transported out fast enough.
Several historians agree that Rantzau made two crucial mistakes while in command. Firstly, the lack of communication to the different sections of the army that he was ordering the right flank to advance resulted in the whole army advancing and partial re-aligning in front of the approaching Swedes, and the fact that he decided to take personal command over the right flank made him lose the overall picture of the unfolding battle, and compounding his earlier mistake.
(https://i.imgur.com/wdsRPJI.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/SU2kXVw.jpg)
Wonderful painting and I applaud your basing style - it really shows the figures off.
Keep the photos coming please.
Mark
Thank you for all the encouraging comments! I'm really enjoying the project and slowly chipping away the orde de bataille. I'll try out a game as soon as I can field a brigade level battle. I did order Twilight of the sun king yesterday. I'm curious on how they handle command friction, as I think this is what Gå På seems to do very well.
For now, another unit has been finished, namely a danish 3-pounder regimental gun. I'll write up something about the danish artillery when I start working on their heavy pieces that were well positoned on the Ringstorp hill on the danish left flank.
(https://i.imgur.com/DsSEk08.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/QagM1Y2.jpg)
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The back edge of the base is unfortunately pretty rough, it was cut from a larger mdf piece. I'll need to order some 30x30mm bases for the rest of the 3-pounders :'(
Lovely work once again 8) .
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Nice!
Twilight uses a concept of action tests for friction. From memory I think it's a 4+ on a d6 in most instances. The idea being that troops in good order can generally move forward fine but once you ask then to do something more complicated like cross a river, change formation or charge an enemy you require an action test. Commanders I think allow a certain number of rerolls on tests based in their level.
The other part of the system is around morale tests, where a number contributing factors feed such as number and position of the enemy, distance from friendly units, artillery fire, etc feed into the result.
It's quite a simple system but allows for a lot of tactical complexity and friction so you feel you're fighting the battle not fighting the rules and can really lay in the pressure on your opponent.
I'd recommend joining the twilight groups.io as the author is very active and the group is often quick to answer questions. I had a few during my test games last year and he'd answered before I'd finished the game!
Nice work, looking great.
Wow! Georgous
This is still a work in progress but here is a draft version of the orders of battle for Helsingborg for the Twilight of the Sun King rules
Helsingborg, 1710
Can be fought in Regimental or Brigade scale. Numbers of units are in Regimental: Brigade. For the Brigade game only use the Army Commanders.
Swedish Army:
Army Commander: Stenbock (2)
Artillery: Trained Field Guns (Limbered) 2:1
Right Wing: Meijerfelt (1): Regiment 5 units, Brigade 4 units
Elite, Galloping Horse, Determined (Life Guard) 1: 1 Small
Trained A, Galloping Horse, Determined (Mixed Life Guard/Queens) 1: Not used
Trained C, Galloping Horse, Determined (Queens Life Guard) 1: 1 Small
Trained D, Horse (Upplands Fem Cav) 1: 1 Small
Raw, Galloping Horse, Determined (Adelsfan/Smalands Cav) 1: 1 Small
Centre: Stenbock
1st Line: Regiment 5 units, Brigade 3 units
Trained B, Ga Pa Infantry, Determined, Pikes (Elfsborg) 1: 1 Small
Trained D, Ga Pa Infantry, Large, Few Pikes (Upland/Smaland Fem) 1:1
Trained B, Infantry, No pikes (Saxon) 1 Small: Not used
Raw, Ga Pa Infantry, Determined, Few pikes (Jonkopings/Kronobergs) 2 Small: 1
2nd Line: Regiment 5 units, Brigade 2 units
Raw, Ga Pa Infantry, Determined, Few pikes (Sodermanlands/Kalmar) 2 Small: 1 Small
Raw, Ga Pa Infantry, Determined, No pikes (Ostagota, Upplans, Vastmanlands) 3 Small: 1 Small
Left Wing: Burenskiold (1): Regiment 5 units, Brigade 4 units
Trained C, Galloping Horse, Determined (Vastgota Cav) 1: 1 Small
Trained C, Horse (Vastgota & Skanska Trem Cav) 2: 1 Small
Raw, Galloping Horse, Determined (Ostagota/Smalands Cav) 2: 2 Small
Danish Army:
Army Commander: Rantzau (1)
Left Wing: Dewitz (0): Regiment 6 units, Brigade 4 units
Trained B, Horse (1 & 2 Fynske, 1 Jyske, 3 Sjaell) 3 (1 is Small): 2 Small
Trained B, Dragoons (Bulow) 1 Large: 1 Small
Trained D, Dragoons (Sjaelland Land Drag) 1 Small: Not used
Trained B, Infantry (Lepels, Marine) 1 Large: 1 Small
Trained Field Gun (unlimbered) 1: Not used
Centre: Rantzau
1st Line: Regiment 5 units, Brigade 3 units
Elite, Infantry (Guards & Grenadiers) 2 (1 is Small): 1 Small
Trained B, Infantry (Jynske, Fynske, Dronningen) 3 (2 are Small): 2 Small
Trained Field Gun 1:1
2nd Line: Regiment 4 units, Brigade 2 units
Trained B, Infantry (Pr Hessen) 1 Small: Not used
Trained D, Infantry (Militia/Reserve) 3 (1 is Small): 2 Small
Right Wing: Rodsten (1): Regiment 5 units, Brigade 3 units
Elite, Horse, Small (Life Guard) 1:1
Trained A, Dragoons (Life Dragoons) 1 Large: Combined with Life Guard)
Trained B, Horse (1st Sjaell) 1: Combined in Mixed unit
Trained C, Mixed, Small (Combined Sjaell) Not used: 1 Small
Trained D, Dragoons, Small (Sjaelland Land Drag) 1: Combined in Mixed unit
Trained B, Infantry, Small (Pr Christian) 1:1
Thanks for all kind comments! While summer has finally come to my part of Sweden, I've managed to put some hours into the hobby and finished another unit (see below)!
Quote from: Hwiccee on 13 June 2022, 12:08:46 PMThis is still a work in progress but here is a draft version of the orders of battle for Helsingborg for the Twilight of the Sun King rules
Thanks a lot Whicce, that looks super useful! Looking forward to see how they play out! Are there plans on publishing more GNW content for TotSK?
(https://i.imgur.com/PoI7bSu.jpg)
Originating from fänikor (roughly company size units) set up in Östergötland 1551, it was made into an indelt infantry regiment in 1685. In Swedish Pommerania at the start of the great northern war, it was transferred to Poland in 1702, and served in the royal army, taking part in the field battles of Holowczyn 1708 and Poltava 1709 where it was lost. It was reraised in Sweden and took part in teh battles of Helsingborg 1710 and Gadebsuch 1712, and capitulated after the siege of Tönningen.
It was led by the interim regimental commander lieutenant colonel Magnus Gripensköld. Differing sources put him as either 47 or 45 at the time of the battle. His grandfather Magnus Jespersson began as a common cavalryman in the Östgöta cavalry regiment in 1626, rising in the ranks and ennobled in 1665. Magnus became a career soldier at around 13-15 years of age as a volontär, and served abroad as a cadet in the Prince of Orange's guard 1681-1684. Returned to serve in the Östgöta regiment for the rest of his life. He died childless in 1712 on the border between Sweden and Norway.
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collegialhoagie:
Yes more GNW material is on the way but probably not until next year. The plan is to have circa 10 GNW battles and around 5 Ottoman battles. Plus probably a few 'what ifs' - Marlborough vs Charles XII and a fictional clash between the Swedes and Danes & Russians after they invade Sweden in 1716 for example.
Before then there will be a new scenario book for the 'Divine Right' rules covering the wars between Sweden, Poland, Russia, the Ottomans, Cossacks and Tatars 1600 to 1670 or so. Another on the 'Western' wars 1648 - 1680 including the Scanian war.
There are also more SYW era scenarios on the way and a French version of this set. Along with a set of rules for the Napoleonic era.
Hwiccee, you are going to be busy then ;)
Those look fantastic
Very nice indeed!
That's a lovely looking unit for sure 8) .
Very impressive indeed. 👏
Quote from: Hwiccee on 16 June 2022, 02:18:29 PMcollegialhoagie:
Yes more GNW material is on the way but probably not until next year. The plan is to have circa 10 GNW battles and around 5 Ottoman battles. Plus probably a few 'what ifs' - Marlborough vs Charles XII and a fictional clash between the Swedes and Danes & Russians after they invade Sweden in 1716 for example.
Before then there will be a new scenario book for the 'Divine Right' rules covering the wars between Sweden, Poland, Russia, the Ottomans, Cossacks and Tatars 1600 to 1670 or so. Another on the 'Western' wars 1648 - 1680 including the Scanian war.
There are also more SYW era scenarios on the way and a French version of this set. Along with a set of rules for the Napoleonic era.
Super exited to hear about the Scanian war, I'm sure mr. Broden has a hand in that possibly? I recently got hold of the rare L-E Höglund edition of Swedish uniforms, flags & standards of the Scanian war, it is 100% going to be my next project after the GNW!
And for the weekend's work, I've finished a swedish wing commander unit. In hindsight I should have used this figure for the army commander Magnus Stenbock, as you can see the figure is very similar to Gustaf Cederströms depiction of Stenbock at Helsingborg (not that it's a historically correct, it's a very romantic late 19th century work).
Since the figure has a lot of "go" to it, I think it will work well as the commander of the swedish left wing, Jacob Burensköld, who agressively led the first line of the left wing to attack the danish right before he had all his squadrons assembled, which led to him getting captured by the danish horse guard.
(https://i.imgur.com/E51ILpw.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/cueq1xe.jpg)
Oh that is brilliant
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Quote from: collegialhoagie on 19 June 2022, 08:47:59 AMSuper exited to hear about the Scanian war, I'm sure mr. Broden has a hand in that possibly? I recently got hold of the rare L-E Höglund edition of Swedish uniforms, flags & standards of the Scanian war, it is 100% going to be my next project after the GNW!
Yes Per Broden has produced a very nice game of Lund, 1676. We are running it at a UK show on July 3rd so I guess photos of that will appear online.
If anyone is going to the Joy of Six show in Sheffield then come and say Hi.
Well done on tracking down Hoglund's Scanian War book. I am sure I am not the only one who wishes he had done more books and that these, including the Great Northern War books, were more easily available.
Personally I would love something like the Hoglund books on the armies involved in the German campaigns of the Scanian War. I have made a small start of getting Wrangel's army but also the Danes, Prussians, Hanoverians and allies involved or potentially involved in this campaign.
The 'Burenskold/Stenbock' figure is great, as indeed are all your figures. I hope at some point you can put some shots of the full army online.
Quote from: Hwiccee on 20 June 2022, 09:19:41 AMYes Per Broden has produced a very nice game of Lund, 1676. We are running it at a UK show on July 3rd so I guess photos of that will appear online.
If anyone is going to the Joy of Six show in Sheffield then come and say Hi.
Well done on tracking down Hoglund's Scanian War book. I am sure I am not the only one who wishes he had done more books and that these, including the Great Northern War books, were more easily available.
Personally I would love something like the Hoglund books on the armies involved in the German campaigns of the Scanian War. I have made a small start of getting Wrangel's army but also the Danes, Prussians, Hanoverians and allies involved or potentially involved in this campaign.
The 'Burenskold/Stenbock' figure is great, as indeed are all your figures. I hope at some point you can put some shots of the full army online.
Looking forward to see that, his battle of Narva table is incomprehesible cool. I wish we had similar historical wargaming conventions in Sweden...
yeah I was quite happy to find the swedish edition for a reasonable price, as I was able to get all his swedish books about the great northern war too, which has been indispensible as a reference.
Thanks for the kind words, it has been a blast getting into this small scale, progress has been steady. I'll definitely putting up the full army for a photo shoot eventually!
Sorry in advance for the picture dump. I've finished the danish wing commanders, and tried to put some extra effort trying to get a good light grey/white horse colour, going from dark grey, layering up to almost pure white. I'm quite happy with the final result, and will probably be using this for the trumpeters in the rest of the swedish regular cavalry units.
Wing commanders major general Frantz Joachim von Dewitz and major general Christian Rodsteen.
(https://i.imgur.com/SdeoDlT.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/APPWZzi.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/p8Q2Z42.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/vyAwfrA.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/0ThdwUz.jpg)
Beautiful stuff.
Not compulsory but I think brown horses look even better with some white on some of their lower legs and face
Most hoorses have one or 2 "socks" or a blaze
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No need to apologise for pictures here ;)
A sock or two and a blaze, snip and/or star do lift a brown horse
You may find the below that FierceKitty posted a while ago either helpful or frightening
Quote from: FierceKitty on 26 May 2014, 12:21:27 PMSince you probably share my profound boredom with painting horses, gentlemen (and the rest of you), this might be a useful item to glance at:
http://majnouna.deviantart.com/art/Guide-to-Horse-Colors-and-Patterns-243666224
And remember to paint a Sioux army at least once in your life, where the horses get to wear warpaint too.
Clearly that poster was done on an A4 sheet by a previous winner of the Pendraken painting competition. ~X(
I think I'd struggle to read it if it was blown up to wall size. :-B
They look great!
QuoteClearly that poster was done on an A4 sheet by a previous winner of the Pendraken painting competition. ~X(
I think I'd struggle to read it if it was blown up to wall size. :-B
There's something slightly easier to read here: Painting Horses (http://www.freewebs.com/archiduccharles/Horses guide.pdf).
All the GW paint names have changed since this was written, so you'll have to adapt accordingly.
To collegialhogie - As Fred says, they look great!
Those are gorgeous!
Quote from: DecemDave on 21 June 2022, 10:30:05 AMClearly that poster was done on an A4 sheet by a previous winner of the Pendraken painting competition. ~X(
I think I'd struggle to read it if it was blown up to wall size. :-B
I'm able to zoom in on it by clicking on it twice...
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No need to apologise for pictures here ;)
A sock or two and a blaze, snip and/or star do lift a brown horse
You may find the below that FierceKitty posted a while ago either helpful or frightening
QuoteThere's something slightly easier to read here: Painting Horses (http://www.freewebs.com/archiduccharles/Horses guide.pdf).
All the GW paint names have changed since this was written, so you'll have to adapt accordingly.
To collegialhogie - As Fred says, they look great!
Thanks for the suggestions and linking to those resources! I've had some information from a table at Tacitus.nu (http://www.tacitus.nu/karoliner/tenngjutning/hastfarger.htm) about the most common horse colours used in the different horse regiments, for Ösgöta cavalry regiment being 42% Bay/dark bay (I think that's correct english term), but says nothing about markings. Apparently the preferred colour was Bay and Black but most of all a dark colour as much as possible. I'm gonig to have a look at Henry Waxbergs old "The horse in the Carolean cavalry" to see if they had any regulations concerning white markings!
I'm also happy to have recieved a sample of 1 figure each of the SYW infantry in march attack pose from Pendraken to so I could decide which works the best as a proxy for Swedish carolean infantry. I've quickly painted them up and this is how they look:
(https://i.imgur.com/j1iLGun.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/HeGOyse.jpg)
Top picture, from left to right: SYF23(French), SYA1(Austrian), SYR6(Russian),SYB1(British)
The prussian figure was disqualified before painting since they apparently didn't really have tricorns.
As you can see, either of them would work decently on the tabletop as a swedish unit. Some things to consider:
SYF23:
The closest proxy for swedish carolean infantry.
Plus: closed coat with turnbacks.
Minus: Cockade on tricorne, two scabards(?).
SYA1:
Plus: No cockade on tricorn, single scabar, long hair.
Minus: open "prussian" coat, a big second bag on the left hip that conceals the turnbacks.
SYR6
Plus: single bag, long hair in hair pouch, clearly visible turnbacks on left hip.
Minus: open "prussian" coat.
SYB1
Plus: single bag, clearly visible turnbacks on left hip.
Minus: open "prussian" coat, short hair.
In the end, I decided that I will use SYF23 as the marching proxy and SYR6 as the march attack proxy, but it was a very close call between the figures in march attack pose.
I would of course love for the swedish range to expand in the future, but this will certainly do for now! I haven't tried to trim down the cockade on these samples but I may do when I receieve my next order.
My understanding is Bays usually had darker brown/grey (almost black) markings
Quote from: DecemDave on 21 June 2022, 10:30:05 AMClearly that poster was done on an A4 sheet by a previous winner of the Pendraken painting competition. ~X(
I think I'd struggle to read it if it was blown up to wall size. :-B
Open it in MS Paint, then you can read it, albeit not all on the screen at the same time. You can cut the bits that you are interested in into small files and print them. That's what I did anyway.
Quote from: paulr on 30 June 2022, 08:55:35 AMMy understanding is Bays usually had darker brown/grey (almost black) markings
Yes, Bays do have very dark brown (charcoal in appearance) manes, tails and lower legs. Chestnuts are pretty much the same brown colour overall. Both can have white leg and facial markings, but people tend to overdo these when painting horses in my view, particularly in 10mm. White markings can be almost invisible,
I rather like painting horses although greys are the most difficult to get right I find, fortunately the British army stopped mounting musicians on greys in 1799.
Some final points, for what they are worth, never use pure black on horses - far too stark and doesn't exist in nature. Go for a Black-Grey such as Vallejo's. Finish horses with an egg-shell varnish to give them a bit of a sheen and, lastly, other-ranks horses in the British army were nag-tailed.
After popping in on Discord to have a look at the Pendraken birthday party, I had some time to picture the latest addition to the battle of Helsingborg.
I've finished up two small units from the second line of the swedish left flank, Smålands kavalleriregemente and Skånska tre- och femmänningsregementet till häst.
These are two very different units, Småland being one of the original "indelta"/alloted cavalry regiments raised before the war and was part of the King's army fighting at Kliszów 1702, Pułtusk 1703, Warszawa 1705, Holowczyn 1708, until it was lost at Poltava, and reraised for the defence of Skåne in 1709, and the other one being one of the temporary regiments raised in 1700 by combining three and five rusthåll to set up one extra cavalryman, only participating in one field battle, i.e at Helsingborg.
Johan Valentin von Daldorff, the colonel of Smålands, was originally a messenger of the duke of Holstein-Gottorp sent to its ally Sweden with the news of the peace at Travendal, and then took service in the Swedish army. Daldroff avoided capture at Poltava and followed Charles XII into the Ottoman empire and participated in the skirmish at Bender, got back to Sweden to lead his reraised regiment, finally meeting his end in the battle of Stresow 1715.
Count Göran Gyllenstierna was the colonel of Skånska tre- och femmänningsregementet till häst, and apart from a member of the high nobility also an experienced career officer serving in the coalition army in the nine years' war, and later in the defence of the homeland. As the line commander on the left flank he distinguished himself in the battle, and was promoted to Major General by Stenbock.
(https://i.imgur.com/jAPX65A.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/eWu7qaE.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/cjFOT9E.jpg)
Those are lovely sir! 8)
I like those
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I've finished my first Danish infantry unit:
Prins Christians Regiment.
The unit was rented out to serve abroad in Italy and Hungary during the War of Spanish Succession, participating at the battles of Mantua and Luzzara, returning to Denmark in 1709 to participate at Helsingborg and later at Gadebusch.
Its commander Johann Heinrich Lattorf was originally from Anhalt, and served in the Danish auxiliary troops in Ireland, Flanders and Brabant, before taking command over Prince Christian's regiment in 1708. He was killed at the Battle of Helsingborg 1710.
The regiment's two(out of three) participating battallions suffered catastrophic losses at Helsingborg, as around 506 men and officers were left on the field dead or wounded, and a further 380 men capitulated to the Swedish forces.
(https://i.imgur.com/fQkRYVZ.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/kxIckr9.jpg)
Split up as two 18-fig units they can double as one unit of Prins Christians Regiment and one unit of the Østsjællendske nationale infanteriregiment:
(https://i.imgur.com/lZ6nM7d.jpg)
Very nice, I liked the Prins Christians' flags.
Good stuff
Very nice
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Are the flags removable, the last picture has a 'Danish' flag rather than the white Prins Christians flag
Those are lovely and the flags look great too.
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Are the flags removable, the last picture has a 'Danish' flag rather than the white Prins Christians flag
Thanks everyone! Flags are indeed removable, I see no reason for them to be fixed in place as I can change flags for units with the same uniform colours but different flags etcetera :-\
No big write-up today, just some notes and images of the Danish "Livgarden til fods" ( i.e The Royal Foot Guard) with their Paille (hay-yellow) uniforms.
It was a royal guard unit established in 1658, and together with Prins Kristians regiment almost annihilated at Helsingborg. Its commander, Lieutenant colonel Kristian Albrecht Danckwardt, a veteran from service in the Saxon and French army, was killed in the battle. The grim, supposed details of his demise were written down in a soldier's letter (from another regiment) after the battle. He was said to have had both his legs taken off by a cannon ball, but kept on commanding his regiment standing only on his stumps until he was cut down by the enemy while asking for "cavalier's pardon".
(https://i.imgur.com/mGSenvV.jpg)
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(https://i.imgur.com/SvB8g1s.jpg)
Very nice
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Suoerb
Only now 'catching up' on your posts (somehow missed the whole topic in my brief forays into the forum) and like what I've seen, so far. Great stuff! :-bd
p.s. My only reservation is the colour of the metal work on the artillery carriages. The wheel rims have been painted metallic but I'm puzzled why the remaining metal work is painted yellow (especially the reinforcing clasps on the wheel rims)? :-\
QuoteOnly now 'catching up' on your posts (somehow missed the whole topic in my brief forays into the forum) and like what I've seen, so far. Great stuff! :-bd
p.s. My only reservation is the colour of the metal work on the artillery carriages. The wheel rims have been painted metallic but I'm puzzled why the remaining metal work is painted yellow (especially the reinforcing clasps on the wheel rims)? :-\
Thank you Westmarcher :) Short answer is that the yellow paint is the ornamental style swedish artillery was painted in (Same for Denmark, with red carriages with some metal parts ornamentally painted in a subdued yellow). I have based the figures on both gun carriages I've seen in person and from pictures, this one is an artillery piece from 1703:
https://digitaltmuseum.se/011024410078/24-lodigt-eldror (https://digitaltmuseum.se/011024410078/24-lodigt-eldror)
You can see how the clasps probably were painted yellow all around but the parts touching the ground had the paint worn off.
Finally back at the workbench, finished a unit of the Sjaellendske landdragoner. I'll have to make a few more bases of this unit as they were split up to fight in the second line on both the Danish left and right flanks.
One of those units that had all odds stacked against them (being created by forced conscription of farmhands who exercised two hours a week on Sundays, supposed to only defend the homeland with cheap equipment and shoddy horses), but performed exemplary on the battlefield.
(https://i.imgur.com/QIl4zma.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/P4w9p33.jpg)
Very nice
Another great looking unit!
QuoteThank you Westmarcher :) Short answer is that the yellow paint is the ornamental style swedish artillery was painted in (Same for Denmark, with red carriages with some metal parts ornamentally painted in a subdued yellow). I have based the figures on both gun carriages I've seen in person and from pictures, this one is an artillery piece from 1703:
https://digitaltmuseum.se/011024410078/24-lodigt-eldror (https://digitaltmuseum.se/011024410078/24-lodigt-eldror)
You can see how the clasps probably were painted yellow all around but the parts touching the ground had the paint worn off.
Great! Thanks for that! :-bd
p.s. Like your latest unit of horse also.
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As vacation is over for this year I have paradoxically more time in the evenings for painting.
Some new additions since last update:
Bülows ungarske dragonregiment/Bülow's hungarian dragoons was quite an interesting unit with a lot of conflicting information concerning their uniforms and outlook. I'm basically just painting them as Örjan Martinsson on Tacitus.nu depicts them, although there's an argument they may have worn swords and caps in "hungarian style" with a danish/austrian/"western" coat. I considered if I should represent them with a different code(LOA hussars?) but eventually settled with SYW austrian dragoons. One doesn't always have to go with the more "interesting" alternative. ;D
(https://i.imgur.com/MBLzPZu.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/1c8FlW7.jpg)
Finally Dronningens livregiment, the unit standing to the left of the Danish Life guard, apparently a veteran unit but still the first in the infantry centre to break at Helsingborg.
(https://i.imgur.com/ue7quD8.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/9dgFTYz.jpg)
Very nice work
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Impressive
Another small unit finished, The danish Livgarden til hest:
(https://i.imgur.com/wOnd8HE.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/2JLheUb.jpg)
I am slowly coming closer to my "small scale" goal of depicting the battle of Helsingborg, but it will take some more time.
By "Small scale" I mean 18-man infantry units on 3 bases with 6 men per base, and cavalry units in either 2,3 or 4 bases with 3 horses per base(making 6/9/12 fig cavalry units). When I eventually finish this scale I will go back just double the amount of bases and make 36 man infantry units etcetera.
On the Danish side I have 11 cavalry and 21 infantry bases left to do, and on the Swedish side 10 cavalry bases and 21 infantry bases.
Excellent! I look forward to seeing the two sides in action.
Very nice indeed
Nice work as always 8) .
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A good way of getting the troops on the table :)
That's the plan! I'm working away at the Danish cavalry so I can have a small test game with equal amount of cavalry and infantry, just to have a go at the two rule systems I'm planning on using.
Far, far in the future, after I've completed the "large scale" goal I would also be able to go back and play Helsingborg in Gå På's original batallion scale, using 18-man units as batallions instead of regiments. :-\ :-\ :-\
QuoteThank you Westmarcher :) Short answer is that the yellow paint is the ornamental style swedish artillery was painted in (Same for Denmark, with red carriages with some metal parts ornamentally painted in a subdued yellow). I have based the figures on both gun carriages I've seen in person and from pictures, this one is an artillery piece from 1703:
https://digitaltmuseum.se/011024410078/24-lodigt-eldror (https://digitaltmuseum.se/011024410078/24-lodigt-eldror)
You can see how the clasps probably were painted yellow all around but the parts touching the ground had the paint worn off.
A postscript? I don't know if this will be of interest to you but, because I'm more interested in the later Seven Years War, I was browsing Pendraken's SYW range and the excellent Kronoskaf website tonight and came across an entry for Swedish Artillery. In this, it says:-
Guns, limbers and caissons were painted light blue and the brass barrels and brass fittings were free of paint. There are also references to iron fittings. Obviously, the SYW is later than the GNW but it seemed strange to me that 40-50 years later, the Swedes would stop painting the fittings (especially when we all know that sometimes certain practices or traditions can last a long time). There could be a number of explanations, of course. For example,
- The practice was changed between the GNW and the War of Austrian Succession?
- Someone in a later century (e.g., from the museum) misinterpreted the available sources at the time and painted the fittings yellow in error?
- From time to time, fittings on some carriages were indeed made of iron and not brass (and therefore painted)?
There are also some photographs of these later guns from the Swedish Army Museum (I believe they are from the same source as your link) which appear to support Kronoskaf.
Kronoskaf - SYW Swedish Artillery (http://www.kronoskaf.com/syw/index.php?title=Swedish_Artillery_Equipment)
Of further interest, are the following images from the Royal Danish Arsenal Museum.
Royal Danish Arsenal Museum - mortars (https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:1600_Danish-Nowegian_50_pounder_Hærens_system_bronze_mortar_in_block.JPG)
I find this slightly confusing in the sense that the fittings look like unpainted brass on two of the mortar carriages but what is that on the third (the one on the right)? Has someone recently painted the fittings with metallic paint that is meant to represent brass? If so, has it been done because they want to give us an idea what it might have looked like in days of old (could also be to protect aged metalwork)? Who knows?
I'm sure you won't lose sleep over this (and apologies if you do). Quite a mystery, isn't it? But one of the aspects I find fascinating about historical wargaming. So glad I'm not doing Ancients (then again, perhaps in the absence of reliable sources, Ancients is easier because you can simply make it up). ;) ;D
Looking forward to your next photographs. Hopefully, it won't be too long before we see them "in action." :)
p.s. another link of a Danish gun which pre-dates the GNW.
Danish Bronze fortress gun (https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f8/16th_century_Danish-Nowegian_Oldneburg_27_pounder_bronze_cannon%2C_gift_from_Christian_IV_to_the_Duke_of_Oldenburg_pic2.JPG)
Quote from: Westmarcher on 01 September 2022, 10:43:35 PMA postscript? I don't know if this will be of interest to you but, because I'm more interested in the later Seven Years War, I was browsing Pendraken's SYW range and the excellent Kronoskaf website tonight and came across an entry for Swedish Artillery. In this, it says:-
Guns, limbers and caissons were painted light blue and the brass barrels and brass fittings were free of paint. There are also references to iron fittings.
Obviously, the SYW is later than the GNW but it seemed strange to me that 40-50 years later, the Swedes would stop painting the fittings (especially when we all know that sometimes certain practices or traditions can last a long time). There could be a number of explanations, of course. For example,
- The practice was changed between the GNW and the War of Austrian Succession?
- Someone in a later century (e.g., from the museum) misinterpreted the available sources at the time and painted the fittings yellow in error?
- From time to time, fittings on some carriages were indeed made of iron and not brass (and therefore painted)?
There are also some photographs of these later guns from the Swedish Army Museum (I believe they are from the same source as your link) which appear to support Kronoskaf.
Kronoskaf - SYW Swedish Artillery (http://www.kronoskaf.com/syw/index.php?title=Swedish_Artillery_Equipment)
Of further interest, are the following images from the Royal Danish Arsenal Museum.
Royal Danish Arsenal Museum - mortars (https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:1600_Danish-Nowegian_50_pounder_Hærens_system_bronze_mortar_in_block.JPG)
I find this slightly confusing in the sense that the fittings look like unpainted brass on two of the mortar carriages but what is that on the third (the one on the right)? Has someone recently painted the fittings with metallic paint that is meant to represent brass? If so, has it been done because they want to give us an idea what it might have looked like in days of old (could also be to protect aged metalwork)? Who knows?
I'm sure you won't lose sleep over this (and apologies if you do). Quite a mystery, isn't it? But one of the aspects I find fascinating about historical wargaming. So glad I'm not doing Ancients (then again, perhaps in the absence of reliable sources, Ancients is easier because you can simply make it up). ;) ;D
Looking forward to your next photographs. Hopefully, it won't be too long before we see them "in action." :)
p.s. another link of a Danish gun which pre-dates the GNW.
Danish Bronze fortress gun (https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f8/16th_century_Danish-Nowegian_Oldneburg_27_pounder_bronze_cannon%2C_gift_from_Christian_IV_to_the_Duke_of_Oldenburg_pic2.JPG)
Thanks for the links!
Kronoskaf is a real gem, their wss material has been useful for me. :) But as with all wikis, one must be a bit cautious and look up the original sources, I have had issues where I can't find the information in the provided sources. The ones presented on that page are also kind of hard to evaluate other than with caution, as they are two wargaming articles, one from a now-defunct web page and the other from a wargaming magazine from the 1980's, none being by a swedish author and both being hard to impossible to come by.
Here are my own thoughts on the questions you raised:
Apart from uniform sources like Höglund there are existing museum examples of the blue and yellow paint scheme dated from the late 17th century to the napolenic wars, even several blue and yellow examples presented on the aforementioned kronoskaf page. But there are indeed "blue and black" schemes too. I'd hesitate to call that evidence for changing practices, more likely several concurently existing paint schemes.
I do absolutely agree with you that several of the examples may be repainted or even 19th century replicas of the gun carriages. But there are also examples like thishttps://digitaltmuseum.se/0210210458116/modell-av-60-pundig-morsare (https://digitaltmuseum.se/0210210458116/modell-av-60-pundig-morsare)(a 1/4th scale model produced in 1683), which I find unlikely to have been repainted in an incorrect scheme.
I've was fortunate enough to have visited the Army Museum this summer, and had a good chat with one of the intendents(curators?) who pointed out that there also seems to have been a third paint scheme!!! Fortress artillery was painted red instead of blue, but this can only be surmised from surviving carriages.
Hehe, no worries on the sleep, I love researching my wargaming projects and be able to have things "histocially correct", but I'm very pragmatic about it and frequently depart from the facts when I feel like it. :-$
Next up: Sachiska infanteriregementet, which is a rather interesting unit. It was created by enlisting saxon(mainly mercenaries) prisoners of war. Sweden captured enough saxon POW's to raise several batallions of pow regiments, and where often used as disposable units deployed piecemeal as rearguards to slow down the Danish conquest of Scania. The poor sods seems to have been aware of this, and surrendered more than once to the Danish without firing a shot. Schomer's regiment did fight well at Helsingborg, deployed in the centre of the Swedish first line. According Arthur Stille it flanked the Danish Grenadier corps after the danish centre collapsed, supporting Kronobergs regemente's attack on "söndagskarlarna"(Swedish nickname for the grenadier corp in their fine clothing and caps, i.e wearing their finest sunday clothes).
Rather then being equipped in the "swedish way" they never recieved any pikes and fought as a musket only unit.
(https://i.imgur.com/665IgPr.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/YgGKoP6.jpg)
Cool unit. 8)
I thought there was a giant Panda attached in the bottom photo.
QuoteI thought there was a giant Panda attached in the bottom photo.
Once seen, never unseen! :)
Despite that, great paint job.
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Perhaps blue dice might blend in a little more :-\
Lovely unit once again 8) .
Another great looking unit. For released PoW they got some nice uniforms!
With the basing are you going with the sandy / dry earth look, or is it WIP?
Quote from: fsn on 10 September 2022, 06:35:47 PMI thought there was a giant Panda attached in the bottom photo.
Well spotted, just taking some creative license with depicting the batallion Panda even though it was phased out early with the implementation of the 1701 infantry regulations ;)
Quote from: paulr on 11 September 2022, 12:33:03 AM:-bd =D> :-bd =D> :-bd
Perhaps blue dice might blend in a little more :-\
I should probably just take the dice away for taking the photos! It isn't really an issue on the gaming table I think, they're there for gaming reasons, so I'd like them to be visible :)
Quote from: fred. on 11 September 2022, 07:07:27 AMAnother great looking unit. For released PoW they got some nice uniforms!
With the basing are you going with the sandy / dry earth look, or is it WIP?
Höglund actually mentions that they were supposed to have even fancier uniforms, gold lace in the seams of the coats to promote "faithfulness and zeal for his Majesty's service", but the receipts seems to note that this was not followed through with.
Yeah, I'm trying to have a rather subdued basing that works both summer and winte, and "dead grass no snow" works if you squint for a battle fought in southern Sweden in early march. ;D
In hindsight, I could either have mixed in a little more green in the flock, or changed to brown sand/stones to have have a marshier early spring look.
QuoteI thought there was a giant Panda attached in the bottom photo.
;D Time to get your medication adjusted (again). ;)
Another nice unit. :-bd
I've finallly had time to occupy our dining table for a test run of the Gå På wargaming rules with a smaller sized battle, vaguely corresponding with the battle of Helsingborg, i.e roughly equal amount of infantry (although the danish with a lot of veteran and elite regiments), and the swedish cavlary force larger than the danish. I really enjoyed the feel of the rules, the cavalry shocks and countershocks on both flanks felt really good, the big infantry clash at the end of the battle got pretty complex, but not to the point of becoming boring.
The right danish flank got crushed and demoralised very early, a blwo which the danish never really could recover from, their left held on for several charges and countercharges before finally breaking, the infantry clash was brutal, on both sides, but I decied that when the royal guard on the right in a partial square finally broke, the game was definitely over.
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Good stuff
Great looking game! You must be pleased to have got to the stage of having enough units painted to be able to play.
Quote from: fred. on 10 October 2022, 11:26:48 AMGreat looking game! You must be pleased to have got to the stage of having enough units painted to be able to play.
Thank you! Absolutely, it was a great feeling of finally seeing them on the table, well worth the 6 months of working on the painting. #:-S
Great game there and just the sort of size that would work nicely chez moi. Nice to see you units in action too :) .
An excellent looking game and two nice armies.
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Great to see them in action
Interesting having unit labels at the back of the table, makes the information readily available but doesn't 'clutter' the troop area
Good to see them in action, at last (and after only 6 months)! :-bd
Although these rules are sitting somewhere in a box, I've never played Ga Pa.
Superb
Really impressive looking game
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Great to see them in action
Interesting having unit labels at the back of the table, makes the information readily available but doesn't 'clutter' the troop area
it was one of those things that I only realised while putting the units on the table. I had printed them out to be taped to the base but thought why not have a dynamic OoB on the table edge instead.... worked quite well really!
Quote from: Westmarcher on 10 October 2022, 09:16:25 PMGood to see them in action, at last (and after only 6 months)! :-bd
Although these rules are sitting somewhere in a box, I've never played Ga Pa.
Time to get them out then ;) I've read people think they take some time to get used to because they do things a bit unconventionally, but people say that about ToTK too, and when you've gotten your head around it they work really well. I did not find them hard to follow at all to be honest.
I have two more rulesets I've yet to try out, ToTK and Beneath the Lily Banners, both looking quite intriguing, but Gå På will definitely be played again :)
Fantastic work!
Sorry for the worse than usual quality of the pics, I'm forced to use my phone as the battery charger for the camera is kaputt atm :(
Two finished units, the Danish Grenaderkorpset (Grenadier Corps), and the Livregiment Dragoner (Life Regiment's dragoons):
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They look good - the photos came out very squashed when I viewed them on my phone last night, but look fine today on my iPad
Superb work
Still having to use the phone camrea unfortunately, but here's some pictures of the Fynske hvervede infanteriregiment. I've painted sashes in a light blue since the colonel of the regiment, Albrecht van Eyndten had a light blue coat of arms, and practice in the danish army seems to have been that sometimes the colonel decided the colour of the officer's sash.
I've previously finished Upplands regemente, but since they're painted in the standard blue-yellow with different flag I didn't bother making a post for them.
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Keep it up, excellent stuff
Absolutely splendid
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Thanks everyone, just wanna say it has been a great incentive for the project to post the finished regiments here :)
Progress has unfortunately been slow from a bout of covid. I was able to finish up a swedish regiment before I got sick:
Jönköpings regemente.
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Awesomeness
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I also find posting progress in my painting diaries a great incentive, which hopefully others don't find too boring, or have learned to ignore ;)
Get well soon
Liking those!
Good stuff - glad to hear you are over Covid too.
I do like the last regiment with their red trousers!
Superb!
Fine work again and hope you're feeling better after your brush with Covid.
God jul! While progress has been somewhat slow on the painting front (1 or 2 units of danish infantry waiting for the "good" camera to be fixed), I had another, larger solo game of Gå På. This one was quite different, as initial weather rolls, and a subsequent random events paired with a lot of musket fire put the LOS down to an absolute minimum in the later stages, making a rather chaotic and even battle, but it was tons of fun!
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Initial setup. Swedish cavalry somewhat stronger, danish infatry of better quality and with a 6pdr gun battery on the right flank.
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Beginning of the infantry clash.
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Lines getting shred. Danish centre wheathered the initial melee better than the swedish, but was later outflanked, ending up routing the first line.
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Great to hear you are having tons of fun :)
Looks amazing sir
Good stuff
A great looking game.
Back with another Danish infantry regiment finished, this time the 1. Danske Infanteriregiment, formed in 1703 when the Danish Auxilliary corps in Austrian service had to consolidate its seven batted regiments into three. It served in the war of the spanish succession until 1709 when it was called back to Denmark to participate in the invasion of Skåne, where it served on Rantzau's left. by the look of the POW lists it managed to retreat to Helsingborg reasonably intact compared to the units on the right.
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Just catching up on this, looking fantastic!
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Superb work there
Those units are looking good!
The game looks good too - wreathed in the fog cotton wool of war :)
Another good looking unit.
I like the battle too - I seem to have missed that before Xmas. Always good to see lots of cotton wool smoke wreathing the troops
These look wonderful! I've been pondering with starting a League of Augsburg/War of the Grand Alliance project myself, and these are great inspiration; I love how the basing and uniforms really play off one another!
QuoteThese look wonderful! I've been pondering with starting a League of Augsburg/War of the Grand Alliance project myself, and these are great inspiration; I love how the basing and uniforms really play off one another!
Thank you Ingw0, very happy to hear that the thread has been an inspiration! Looking forward to see a project thread with your LoA figures soon in the future ;)
It has been very little in the way of units done the last couple of months, other project has taken all of my spare hobbying time. This unit of the Swedish Livregementet till häst/Life Regiment of Horse has been sitting on the work bench for weeks with unfinished bases.
One note on the paint scheme, it is deliberately incorrect for the battle of Helsingborg: I'm using an amalgam of 1708 and 1710 uniform details, as I really wanted the very distinct light blue uniform on the table, instead of another standard dark blue.
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Very pretty. 8)
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Well worth getting the very distinct light blue uniform on the table
They are nice!
I'm not dead! It turns out having a child and move into a house kind of eats up your hobbying time!
Anyway, I managed to finish up the last danish cavalry unit on the Helsingborg OoB, the 1st fynske nationale rytterregiment. Definitely felt rusty, 5 months is a long time...
Still to do: only 3 danish infantry regiments, but 4 infantry regiments and two cavalry units for the Swedes.
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Very nice work. 8)
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Good to see you back :)
Once again, not dead, just very little hobby time to spend among too many projects!
After "a lot" of working on Necromunda and WW2 in 15mm I've managed to get another GNW unit finished:
Västgöta 3- och 5-männingsregemente till häst. In the spirit of "getting things finished" I've streamlined how I paint 10mm with less detail work (some would say deliberatly shoddier work). Left to do before I consider this project finished:
1 small swedish cavalry unit
4 swedish infantry regiments
3 Danish infantry regiments
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Still very effective painting :)
Pretty
An excellent job!
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