Many have gone before me but here goes my two peneth worth. I based up small units so as to fit onto my existing hex and square marked terrain and to make use of my home 7' x 4' table. the first is of course Kings lifeguard, plus two battalia of the Lord General's. I chose bluish colours and flags as I couldn't find any specifics which seems usual for most of the units in the civil war but if I'm wrong then I'm wrong. I ain't changing em now!
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A bit more patter on the blog here: http://thenorthumbrianwargamer.blogspot.com/search/label/10mm%20ECW
Dave.
Sorry I should have re sized these.
Dave.
Look great!
There is a small 'edit' time window after posting when you can go back and amend a message.
Just add 'width=800' (or similar) to the <img> tag.
Super looking units and welcome. There are quite a few ECW FK&P on the forum. A quick search of ECW will find the threads.
And you can't be wrong as long as the flags are good because even where a documented re-fit happened, you are simply showing the unit as it was before (or 6 months after).
I look forward to seeing your sheep.
Great looking figures!
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Wow, those are fab.
Superb work Sir!
Thanks guys, I did attempt to resize the photos but even with the help given couldn't manage it, old luddite that I am so thanks to the person who did it for me.
Dave.
Absolutely superb
Great work Dave your units look amazing :-bd
As a enthusiastic FK&P player l look forward to seeing their exploits reported in the battle report section in due course ;)
Like those
These look great, I'm most impressed, with the look of the whole unit. Probably a mix of the nice bright colours and the good use of the poses of the figures.
Those look terrific, Dave....belting job on those. :-bd
Some great eye candy on show today !
Cheers - Phil. :)
Great work on those 8)
Very nice!
:-bd =D> :-bd =D>
You may find the BCW Project regimental wiki useful, https://wiki.bcw-project.org/start (https://wiki.bcw-project.org/start)
I also found this list of coat colours from Wargames Designs useful, https://www.wargamesdesigns.com/history.html (https://www.wargamesdesigns.com/history.html)
There is also a very useful series of articles written by Charles Kightly, illustrated by Anthony Barton and first published in Military Modelling Magazine (PM me if you would like a copy)
Hey thanks Paulr, very interesting site. Allot of conjecture with many of the regiments but at least all the available info is in one place. Ta very much.
Dave.
Well done on these, they look awesome! Also, the basing is sooo clean, what did you use for flock?
To be honest I tend to theme each periods basing to whatever I have the most basing material lying around, I'm really a tight arse and won't spend if I don't have to but that said the grit is Woodland Scenic 'Fine ballast' with a bit of green dyed fine sawdust strategically placed around. With 10mm I think that grass type flock overwhelms the figures but the main knack is t keep basing material off the sides of the base to give a crisp finish if you know what I mean.
Dave.
Quote from: sheepman 1 on 17 April 2021, 10:14:15 AM
To be honest I tend to theme each periods basing to whatever I have the most basing material lying around, I'm really a tight arse and won't spend if I don't have to but that said the grit is Woodland Scenic 'Fine ballast' with a bit of green dyed fine sawdust strategically placed around. With 10mm I think that grass type flock overwhelms the figures but the main knack is t keep basing material off the sides of the base to give a crisp finish if you know what I mean.
Dave.
Try 2mm static grass. It is perfect for 10mm figures.
Thanks John, I'll have a look.
Dave.
My 12 month ECW project finally reaches the most critical element
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These wee fluffy lads sure look important, make sure they end up pristine!
Also, how easy is it to take off minis from hot glue?
One of the woolly troopers needs a banner with a cross St George.
Quote from: The_Wrong_Khovanskiy on 20 April 2021, 11:05:33 AM
Also, how easy is it to take off minis from hot glue?
Its just cheap PVA (Poundland type) so it holds them for painting (mostly!) but they either pull or can be wobbled off. levered by the base if they have weak legs.
Behold the Lamb of Cod!
Quote from: FierceKitty on 20 April 2021, 11:13:28 AM
One of the woolly troopers needs a banner with a cross St George.
I was going to base 1/2 of them with a general and have them follow him around like er... loyal subjects
And the other 1/2 getting in the way of a wagon
I'm sure they're sheeply devoted to their leader.
Two more battalia done, this time Essex's Lord Generals Rgt for Parliament. Note that in For King and Parliament these are classed as large units hence the third rank. Now I'm not sure if this gives them a bit of a Thirty Years war look about them but as I couldn't extend the frontage I had no choice, what do you recon?
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A couple more here: https://thenorthumbrianwargamer.blogspot.com/search/label/10mm%20ECW
The sheepman tag is from my farming days, you can well understand that the lads at the club let me know all of the connotations of my past association with livestock, but I'm broad shouldered enough to take it, well if you can't laugh at yourself and all that! ;D
Still can't seem to make these photos smaller, where precisely do I type in the numbers to do this?
Dave.
Very nice indeed.
You need to add Width= within the [img] tag. Can never remember the number but 500 and 800 come to mind.
800
I know. they don't call us toysoldierman even though we have hundreds of them. But just one sheep and.......
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Seems a bit better.
Thanks guys, Dave.
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:-bd =D> :-bd =D> :-bd
Still looks more ECW than TYW to me :)
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Very nice
Agreed, these are very nicely done.
(possibly) stupid question - shouldn't it be "For King or Parliament"?
Quote from: Raider4 on 03 May 2021, 09:21:44 AM
(possibly) stupid question - shouldn't it be "For King or Parliament"?
I believe it comes from the start of the war where a man was stopped by some royalists and asked if he was for king or parliament and he replied "I am for King AND Parliament" as the Parliamentary side still professed loyalty to the King, and insisted that it was simply the King was under the influence of unsavoury advisors who led him astray, thereby giving legitimately to their cause.
The Royalists killed the man as a traitor if memory serves.
What do you guys recon to the slight mix of uniform colours, I would guess that complete uniformity would have been difficult to achieve even at the beginning of a campaign never mind when wear and tear set in. I decided to have a theme colour using the little info out there but I thought every man identical would be a little unrealistic. Just a guess of course but what do you think?
Dave.
Sounds right - colourfast dies are late 19th Century at the earliest. Certainly Newecastles Lambs would be varied shades as they wore undyed wool. New Noddle would be reasonably uniform in colour red is more stable than most.
I'd say you're probably right on that. Certainly early on there wasn't a lot of uniformity unless the Colonel specifically bought coats for everyone. Most of the Royalists were clad in red or blue a bit later, but there were a mix of others too. Parliament would have been a bit more of a hodgepodge. There was also a lot of "brigading" where understrength regiments were mixed together so you'd see a mix of coats there.
I'm doing Naseby at the end of the war. New Model Army are all in red, but for the Royalists I'm doing a mix of all one colour regiments (like Rupert's bluecoats) then a mix of mostly red and blue coats with a few other colours thrown in for good measure for some of the others where they're brigaded together.
I'm doing early war and I did an early unit in "civvies" i.e. browns, greys and the like intermingled but I didnt like it much when based - just looks a mess and so I went to "red" regiment, "yellow" regiment etc with a bit of shading for variety. Multi-colour is probably more correct early war for the majority of units except maybe for the regular royalists and a few well equipped trained bands. But there is only patchy knowledge on coat colours and the various re-fits and campaign wear mean you are unlikely to be completely wrong whatever you choose except for a few famous units.
I see a couple of regiments had purple coats, was purple an easy colour to obtain? I associate it with more wealthy individuals or had it become more accessible by the ECW period.
Dave.
yes Brookes on one side Bagot on the other.
Brasseys History of Uniform's ECW goes for majority being blues and reds even early on as these are the cheapest once clothing was centrally made and issued . Its supported by some quotes on imports like enough madder (for red) arriving in Bristol to dye 58,000 coats. Blue done from Indigo (imported in big quantities from the West Indies) or from locally available Woad hence predominant in SW armies.
Purple is just double dyed (I think the royal/expensive applied more in ancient times), so yes more expensive, but we know a few colonels put their hands in their pockets for the cause. Orange/Tawny is also double dyed and quite a few in Essex's army had that
P62 has a discussion on how they got the other colours (green, yellow, orange, grey) .
the pricey one was black and there is a good discussion on that (not ECW specific) on another thread here.
I did a black coated Puritan regiment under Sir Victor Meldrew.
Brooke's Regiments wore purple. (I think?)
Really interesting lads, thanks.
Dave.
The subject of black uniforms has arisen a few times. I've been wondering - wool was doubtless the cloth coats were made from, and black sheep exist. You can also make coats from leather, which is not hard to find in a suitably melanistic tone.
Cracking work on the figures, Dave. :-bd
Cheers - Phil. :)
Quote from: FierceKitty on 04 May 2021, 02:10:37 AM
The subject of black uniforms has arisen a few times. I've been wondering - wool was doubtless the cloth coats were made from, and black sheep exist. You can also make coats from leather, which is not hard to find in a suitably melanistic tone.
Yes. ECW Officers could have anything they could afford. But if its centrally produced for the ranks you need material for hundreds at a time, so cheap=good! Brassey states the usual coats were of wool but then it gets complicated (as today) by method of manufacture and quality. "Nice bit of wool broadcloth sir or will Kersey do?" So linen and canvas and mixtures all got used, coats might be lined or not etc. Oddly Brassey states black coats were dyed but grey coats made of a white and black wool mix. If true, there must be some problem with black wool on its own. The buff-coats of "fat" cavalry fame were mainly oxhide and naturally variable in colour usually near white to yellow ochre but rapidly stained in use which is a great excuse for sloppy painters like me.