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Wider Wargaming => Genre/Period Discussion => Ancients to Renaissance (3000BC - 1680) => Topic started by: Bunny on 05 April 2021, 09:41:45 AM

Title: 10mm 30 Years War Basing
Post by: Bunny on 05 April 2021, 09:41:45 AM
Ok, I have a pile of unpainted lead that I want to turn into two 30 YW armies for Lutzern or Brettienfeld.

Looking for consensus on basing tercios and Swedish Brigades.  As a caveat I like big units, ie lots of figures my League of Augsburg armies have infantry battalions of about 54 figures on a 120x40mm basing.

So for Tercios and Brigades I was thinking either 100mm or 120mm frontage with a 60mm or 80mm depth....but then what layout of figures and what number of figures pike/shot/command?

Any suggestions or illustration would be gratefully received. 
Title: Re: 10mm 30 Years War Basing
Post by: rct75001 on 05 April 2021, 10:05:28 AM
I based mine for the BAroque set of rules. Only done two test bases so far - an early Spanish Tercio (if they ever formed up like this?) and a Swedish unit.  Bases are 12cm wide.

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(https://hosting.photobucket.com/albums/l28/rct75001/.highres/A2271871-A0B4-4C8F-BE26-DEABB8DC263E_zpsjltpw5ur.jpeg)

Richard
Title: Re: 10mm 30 Years War Basing
Post by: Lord Kermit of Birkenhead on 05 April 2021, 10:17:28 AM
Nice stuff Richard. I would have had the musketeers in contact with the pike in the Tercio.
Title: Re: 10mm 30 Years War Basing
Post by: FierceKitty on 05 April 2021, 10:22:47 AM
Put a black dot in the middle of the muzzle. You'll be pleased with the result.
Title: Re: 10mm 30 Years War Basing
Post by: mmcv on 05 April 2021, 10:59:42 AM
As I understand it most tercios in the period were pretty much all the standard block of pike in the middle with blocks of musket either side. Whether they were the smaller Dutch style ones or the bigger blocks favoured by the imperials.

I think these typically had a 1:1 ratio. If you're looking around 60 figures that might work 15 muskets on each side then a block of 30 in the middle of pike with a few flags and command.

Swedish had more if a 3:2 ratio and tended to have less men per formation I think. Maybe 9-10 men blocks laid out in the standard formation would work if that fits.

I can fit 10 across easily enough on an 80mm base so could probably get around 15 across on a 120.

This is off the top of the head so don't have references to hand.

Title: Re: 10mm 30 Years War Basing
Post by: DecemDave on 05 April 2021, 11:28:33 AM
I just remembered why I originally put my early war ECW on 3 40*30 bases.  It was so I could have a standard musket-pike-musket (MPM) unit but by combining two "units" could have 
                                            M   M
                                              PP
                                            M   M

Same logic for putting command stands separate on 40*10  so then I could cheat - make earlier armies with just a swap out to different command and flags.

Not that I am ever likely to actually do this!! 
Title: Re: 10mm 30 Years War Basing
Post by: Bunny on 08 April 2021, 09:43:54 AM
Thanks guys