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Title: ECW Project start
Post by: cudders on 16 March 2021, 11:23:13 PM
Hi all,

After a nice fat bag of Pendraken goodies landed yesterday I couldn't resist making a start on my ECW project.

First base done is below. Gone with 100x50 as prefer them all on a single base rather than multiple for this conflict.

(https://i.imgur.com/ATNxYSJ.jpg?1)

Thanks,

Cudders
Title: Re: ECW Project start
Post by: Lord Kermit of Birkenhead on 17 March 2021, 07:01:26 AM
Excelllent start
Title: Re: ECW Project start
Post by: Techno II on 17 March 2021, 07:11:15 AM
Those look cracking !!  :-bd

Cheers - Phil. :)
Title: Re: ECW Project start
Post by: Duke Speedy of Leighton on 17 March 2021, 07:22:07 AM
Wow, very impressive
Title: Re: ECW Project start
Post by: fred. on 17 March 2021, 07:37:30 AM
Good looking unit. And very quick work too!
Title: Re: ECW Project start
Post by: mmcv on 17 March 2021, 07:41:32 AM
Excellent!
Title: Re: ECW Project start
Post by: FierceKitty on 17 March 2021, 11:41:53 AM
Keep it up, lad!
Title: Re: ECW Project start
Post by: goat major on 17 March 2021, 11:47:02 AM
Nice !
Title: Re: ECW Project start
Post by: Ace of Spades on 17 March 2021, 11:47:20 AM
All in just one day...? Wow!  :o

Cheers,
Rob
Title: Re: ECW Project start
Post by: Poggle on 17 March 2021, 01:53:22 PM
A cracking good start.  :-bd
Title: Re: ECW Project start
Post by: KeithS on 17 March 2021, 02:18:26 PM
Nice work, and fast too if you managed all that in a day.  How many more to do?
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Post by: DHautpol on 17 March 2021, 03:58:32 PM
Very nice
Title: Re: ECW Project start
Post by: 4/10 Painting Studio on 17 March 2021, 04:53:04 PM
Very nice work


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Title: Re: ECW Project start
Post by: Westmarcher on 17 March 2021, 09:45:16 PM
 :-bd
Title: Re: ECW Project start
Post by: sunjester on 17 March 2021, 10:05:16 PM
 =D> =D> =D>
Title: Re: ECW Project start
Post by: cudders on 17 March 2021, 11:20:58 PM
Thanks for the comments chaps. Much appreciated.  :)

Not had chance to do anymore yet but hoping to get some time this weekend to get another one done.

I'll update progress as I finish each base.

Cudders
Title: Re: ECW Project start
Post by: The_Wrong_Khovanskiy on 19 March 2021, 11:31:15 PM
These look great! I love these pike and shot formations.
Title: Re: ECW Project start
Post by: cudders on 21 March 2021, 07:34:23 PM
Hi chaps,

As promised I have manged to get another regiment completed.

This time a Blue one.

(https://i.imgur.com/6YciaxI.jpg?1)

I think I may try a horse regiment next time for some variety,

Hope you like  :)

Cudders
Title: Re: ECW Project start
Post by: Smithy on 21 March 2021, 07:51:57 PM
Lovely work Cudders. Like the basing as well, very effective
Cheers,
Smithy
Title: Re: ECW Project start
Post by: FierceKitty on 22 March 2021, 01:46:46 AM
This chap may be one to watch, folks.
Title: Re: ECW Project start
Post by: paulr on 22 March 2021, 05:43:11 AM
 :-bd =D> :-bd
Title: Re: ECW Project start
Post by: Techno II on 22 March 2021, 06:21:54 AM
Brilliant !  :-bd

Cheers - Phil. :)
Title: Re: ECW Project start
Post by: DecemDave on 24 March 2021, 11:18:25 AM
Impressive quality and speed.  Taken me 10 months to do 20 36-40 figure infantry regiments and they are not even flocked yet.  My only excuse is that I replaced the pikes with longer ones. Good call on single base too.   I went with a complex mix of 40*30 and 40*10 so I ended up in 120*40 sabot bases anyway! If I live long enough to finish the cavalry, the lead pile has a late medieval army and I'll go big base for that for sure.  I am doomed to permanent cadet-dom until I learn to think before painting! 

Title: Re: ECW Project start
Post by: mmcv on 24 March 2021, 12:44:29 PM
Very nice and lovely basing layout.

Quote from: DecemDave on 24 March 2021, 11:18:25 AM
Impressive quality and speed.  Taken me 10 months to do 20 36-40 figure infantry regiments and they are not even flocked yet.  My only excuse is that I replaced the pikes with longer ones. Good call on single base too.   I went with a complex mix of 40*30 and 40*10 so I ended up in 120*40 sabot bases anyway! If I live long enough to finish the cavalry, the lead pile has a late medieval army and I'll go big base for that for sure.  I am doomed to permanent cadet-dom until I learn to think before painting! 



I went with pretty much the same mix myself when it started ECW a few years back and didn't like it in the end. I have since started rebasing to single 80x40 bases. Well, I've started pulling figures off the mix of bases and trying out different combinations on new single ones to find the right layout.

Will cut down the number of figures needed per unit and be easier to move about. I've yet to come across a ruleset that really needs separate basing for the parts and while it gives a little flexibility in terms of pike/shot ratios, it's still needing different sized bases for that anyway so I'd be better just doing them diorama style.

Best doing it now as getting the urge to do some ECW and no point doing new units in the old style.
Title: Re: ECW Project start
Post by: cudders on 24 March 2021, 08:06:01 PM
Hi guys,

Thanks again for the comments.

Regarding basing I also used to have a mix of bases but the single base works much better and i think looks better too.

One unforeseen issue with my two bases is that the 100x50 bases have warped..one more than the other so tonight I have hacked one to bits and started to rebase it on 80x50.

I think this will be better and also save a couple of figures.

I'll update this weekend when I also hope to have completed a horse regiment  :D

Cudders
Title: Re: ECW Project start
Post by: cudders on 26 March 2021, 11:29:32 PM
Hi chaps,

First pic is the re-sized blue regiment onto a 80x50.

(https://i.imgur.com/z8PXebP.jpg?1)

Here's my first horse regiment. Again on a 80x50 base.

(https://i.imgur.com/FDsgJEP.jpg?1)

Another angle

(https://i.imgur.com/MEm2Gaa.jpg)

Here are both ready for battle  :D

(http://i.imgur.com/uBiOrIT.jpg) (https://imgur.com/uBiOrIT)

Next is more pikemen and musketeers.

Cudders

Title: Re: ECW Project start
Post by: paulr on 27 March 2021, 01:00:13 AM
 :-bd =D> :-bd

One thing I have found that helps limit warping is to paint the undersides of the base as well as the top. You are probably already doing this
Title: Re: ECW Project start
Post by: Techno II on 27 March 2021, 07:19:08 AM
Excellent !  :-bd

Cheers - Phil. :)
Title: Re: ECW Project start
Post by: DecemDave on 27 March 2021, 09:04:50 AM
Really loving those bases.  Question is do I have the energy to re-base?  (Again!!) 
I've not experienced warping.  I liberally coat mdf bases in mdf sealant before painting.  Maybe that helped? 
Title: Re: ECW Project start
Post by: fred. on 27 March 2021, 10:28:01 AM
Big bases are good - but do limit which game systems you can use them with.

Sabot bases are great, Leon has cut various sized ones for me so that I can take a number of figures I already have on 40x20mm or 40x40mm bases and use them for games with 100x50mm or 125mm x 50mm unit basing
Title: Re: ECW Project start
Post by: cudders on 27 March 2021, 11:11:49 AM
Hi.

Yeh I have sealed them but still warped for some reason. I use mdf for most smaller sizes and they are fine. I guess it's just the larger ones but I think I've found some plastic ones I can swap to 😁

Cudders
Title: Re: ECW Project start
Post by: cudders on 27 March 2021, 11:23:09 AM
Quote from: fred. on 27 March 2021, 10:28:01 AM
Big bases are good - but do limit which game systems you can use them with.

Sabot bases are great, Leon has cut various sized ones for me so that I can take a number of figures I already have on 40x20mm or 40x40mm bases and use them for games with 100x50mm or 125mm x 50mm unit basing


Hi mate.

Yes sabots are great. I mainly use 40x20 and sabots so I can use various rules sets.

Just using larger ones for the ECW 👍

Cudders
Title: Re: ECW Project start
Post by: Lord Kermit of Birkenhead on 27 March 2021, 11:50:03 AM
Never had a problem with warping myself
Title: Re: ECW Project start
Post by: d_Guy on 27 March 2021, 04:05:34 PM
Just saw this thread and must say I am quite taken with your basing, cudders! Very, very nice look, a near perfect balance of frontage and depth. What rules are you planning on using?

Quote from: DecemDave on 27 March 2021, 09:04:50 AM
Really loving those bases.  Question is do I have the energy to re-base?  (Again!!)  

;D I feel your pain mate, I am currently on my seventh rebasing in as many  years. Fortunately Pendraken's casting alloy is both tough and flexible!
Title: Re: ECW Project start
Post by: Duke Speedy of Leighton on 27 March 2021, 11:16:06 PM
Great stuff
Title: Re: ECW Project start
Post by: cudders on 01 April 2021, 08:31:33 PM
Hi all,

Been busy this week. Two more foot regiments done and have re-based all four regiments onto plastic bases.

I've left the horse as is as i think they look better on the slightly large bases.

First up a white unit. Newcastles flag

(https://i.imgur.com/Aj5QyH0.jpg)

Next a green regiment

(https://i.imgur.com/s561fgN.jpg)

Finally all units ready to fight  :D

(https://i.imgur.com/HYrq6cQ.jpg)

That's it with these for the time being. Onto a different project for a change.

Cudders
Title: Re: ECW Project start
Post by: Steve J on 01 April 2021, 09:00:41 PM
Very nice work 8)!
Title: Re: ECW Project start
Post by: jimduncanuk on 01 April 2021, 09:25:42 PM
Quote from: cudders on 16 March 2021, 11:23:13 PM

After a nice fat bag of Pendraken goodies landed yesterday I couldn't resist making a start on my ECW project.

First base done is below. Gone with 100x50 as prefer them all on a single base rather than multiple for this conflict.


Back in the day when I first did ECW infantry regiments were 90+ strong and cavalry regiments were 27 or so strong. I used 15mm Minifigs.

All figures were based in 4's, 3's, 2's or 1's as the rules required casualty removal.

An infantry regiment had about 30 pike including 5 or so standards and sleeves on both flanks with about 30 musketeers and a few drummers, and a mounted officer prancing about somewhere.

Having all these figures on a single base would have been an alien concept to us then.
Title: Re: ECW Project start
Post by: mmcv on 01 April 2021, 09:39:33 PM
Looking great!

Do you have a ruleset in mind to use? I'm mostly going to use For King and Parliament and Twilight of Divine Right for the period.
Title: Re: ECW Project start
Post by: paulr on 02 April 2021, 02:27:41 AM
 :-bd =D> :-bd
Title: Re: ECW Project start
Post by: Techno II on 02 April 2021, 06:31:48 AM
Very nice, indeed !  :-bd

Cheers - Phil. :)
Title: Re: ECW Project start
Post by: cudders on 02 April 2021, 05:18:00 PM
Quote from: mmcv on 01 April 2021, 09:39:33 PM
Looking great!

Do you have a ruleset in mind to use? I'm mostly going to use For King and Parliament and Twilight of Divine Right for the period.

Hi mate. Not decided yet but funny I'm looking at the same two 👍

Cudders
Title: Re: ECW Project start
Post by: paulr on 02 April 2021, 11:23:01 PM
Pierre the Shy and I are rather keen on For King and Parliament

You can find some AARs on three games I put on a couple of Easters ago here
http://www.pendrakenforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,18482.0.html (http://www.pendrakenforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,18482.0.html)
http://www.pendrakenforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,18500.0.html (http://www.pendrakenforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,18500.0.html)
http://www.pendrakenforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,18505.0.html (http://www.pendrakenforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,18505.0.html)

I'm looking forward to a game using them this evening :)

Mollinary of this forum is a co-author
Title: Re: ECW Project start
Post by: cudders on 06 April 2021, 08:55:03 PM
Quote from: paulr on 02 April 2021, 11:23:01 PM
Pierre the Shy and I are rather keen on For King and Parliament

You can find some AARs on three games I put on a couple of Easters ago here
http://www.pendrakenforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,18482.0.html (http://www.pendrakenforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,18482.0.html)
http://www.pendrakenforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,18500.0.html (http://www.pendrakenforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,18500.0.html)
http://www.pendrakenforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,18505.0.html (http://www.pendrakenforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,18505.0.html)

I'm looking forward to a game using them this evening :)

Mollinary of this forum is a co-author

Hi mate,

Excellent reports pal. I think I'm going for this one so I'll order the full version soon.

Cheers,

Cudders

Title: Re: ECW Project start
Post by: cudders on 06 April 2021, 08:58:57 PM
Hi All,

Been painting the pile of foot but I haven't ordered enough mustketeers  :-

I am wanting 10 x regiments of foot plus 2 x dragoons and 2 x commanded musketeers. Both side basically.

I think I'll also do a couple of scots foot and perhaps a unit of horse.

I was going for 4 x Horse per side. Might not be enough though?

So another order it is!

Cudders.
Title: Re: ECW Project start
Post by: mmcv on 06 April 2021, 09:43:09 PM
Sounds like a reasonable start. Four horse each gives you enough to cover both flanks and five regiments of foot will give you a solid two lines. Then the dragoons and commanded musket can cause some troubles.

Are you planning two equal sides or are you going to have a but of a mix for variety? E.g. some pike heavy and some shot heavy as well as standard regiments?
Title: Re: ECW Project start
Post by: fred. on 07 April 2021, 06:49:56 AM
Your forces certainly sound like a good solid starting point.

But you can never have enough! A big advantage of ECW is that you can easily swap units between the sides if you need to re-arrange the numbers a little, and keeping a few units as more generic pike and shot helps with this.

I've found with ECW battles a lot of them involve a lot of cavalry, so certainly some more units of cavalry will be useful.
Title: Re: ECW Project start
Post by: paulr on 07 April 2021, 09:37:44 AM
Only 4 regiments of horse will soon be destroyed or pursing off table ;D

Definitely a good starting force but you will want more ;)
Title: Re: ECW Project start
Post by: cudders on 07 April 2021, 07:03:31 PM
Quote from: mmcv on 06 April 2021, 09:43:09 PM
Sounds like a reasonable start. Four horse each gives you enough to cover both flanks and five regiments of foot will give you a solid two lines. Then the dragoons and commanded musket can cause some troubles.

Are you planning two equal sides or are you going to have a but of a mix for variety? E.g. some pike heavy and some shot heavy as well as standard regiments?

Hi mate,

Just enough for both sides but I'll be mixing things up as I test the rules, I wont specifically make units Pike/Musket heavy but I do my own labels and will mark them accordingly for some variety.

Long term plan is a full campaign so I'll need more for sure  :)

Cudders
Title: Re: ECW Project start
Post by: cudders on 07 April 2021, 07:06:22 PM
Quote from: fred. on 07 April 2021, 06:49:56 AM
Your forces certainly sound like a good solid starting point.

But you can never have enough! A big advantage of ECW is that you can easily swap units between the sides if you need to re-arrange the numbers a little, and keeping a few units as more generic pike and shot helps with this.

I've found with ECW battles a lot of them involve a lot of cavalry, so certainly some more units of cavalry will be useful.

Hi fred,

Yeh I'll be needing more as I go but to get some action I'm building enough just to get some games in.  :D

And of course it doesn't help painting up three different periods either  :-

Cudders

Title: Re: ECW Project start
Post by: cudders on 07 April 2021, 07:08:08 PM
Quote from: paulr on 07 April 2021, 09:37:44 AM
Only 4 regiments of horse will soon be destroyed or pursing off table ;D

Definitely a good starting force but you will want more ;)

Haha I think you're right!  Just like the real battles   ;D

Cudders
Title: Re: ECW Project start
Post by: fsn on 07 April 2021, 07:13:53 PM
Quote from: jimduncanuk on 01 April 2021, 09:25:42 PM
Back in the day when I first did ECW infantry regiments were 90+ strong and cavalry regiments were 27 or so strong. I used 15mm Minifigs.
I can't get hooked on ECW. Thought I have been cured of my pike-phobia, I could never satisfy myself about unit size. I can see 90+ being a good solution. 
Title: Re: ECW Project start
Post by: Redstef on 07 April 2021, 09:50:06 PM
90+ figures :o  :o !!!
I bow to your superior megalomania overlord
Title: Re: ECW Project start
Post by: mmcv on 07 April 2021, 09:57:56 PM
Quote from: cudders on 07 April 2021, 07:06:22 PM

And of course it doesn't help painting up three different periods either  :-



Only three?! Slacker...  ;)

I started similarly to you with a fairly small set of forces, 3 foot and a couple of horse. Currently rebasing/expanding to around five foot, similar horse, dragoons, commanded shot, artillery....it grows so easily!

Title: Re: ECW Project start
Post by: paulr on 08 April 2021, 09:21:41 AM
They do grow. I've currently got 13 foot and 13 horse per side, plus cuirassiers, dragoons, forlorn hope, rabble, artillery and officers ;)
Title: Re: ECW Project start
Post by: DecemDave on 08 April 2021, 01:36:02 PM
 I have a question to this special interest group :  How are you representing a forlorn hope unit?  Same size and layout as commanded musket or not?  Different coat colours?   

PS
I have 10 (36 ish fig) infantry per side, 7 (10-16 fig)  cavalry per side (last 5 Royalists currently being painted), 4 units of clubmen, and am about to embark on the "other" units. Its taken me 3 lockdowns to get this far. Would have been far more sensible to build up smaller complete armies first and try out rule sets.   

Is Leon's new landlord behind the 90 fig unit suggestion?
Title: Re: ECW Project start
Post by: mmcv on 08 April 2021, 05:07:59 PM
Quote from: DecemDave on 08 April 2021, 01:36:02 PM
I have a question to this special interest group :  How are you representing a forlorn hope unit?  Same size and layout as commanded musket or not?  Different coat colours?   

PS
I have 10 (36 ish fig) infantry per side, 7 (10-16 fig)  cavalry per side (last 5 Royalists currently being painted), 4 units of clubmen, and am about to embark on the "other" units. Its taken me 3 lockdowns to get this far. Would have been far more sensible to build up smaller complete armies first and try out rule sets.   

Is Leon's new landlord behind the 90 fig unit suggestion?

90 figs is madness! I'm envious of those who have the time, space and patience to do such large units!

To my mind forlorn hope tended to be smaller than commanded musket, around half to two thirds the size. My commanded shot I'm thinking 3 ranks of 8 figures + command (same as my dragoons though they're in loose order while commanded shot will be in close order).

My pike and shot mixed units are in 3 ranks of 8-10 figures (depending on the ratio).

So forlorn hope I'm thinking 3 ranks of 5 or 6 figures each + command (probably just captain and drummer, no ensign).

This is for New Model Army so all redcoats. For Royalists/Early Parliament I'll probably do Forlorn Hope in a mix of coat colours as they tended to be drawn from multiple regiments.
Title: Re: ECW Project start
Post by: jimduncanuk on 08 April 2021, 06:27:43 PM
Quote from: mmcv on 08 April 2021, 05:07:59 PM

90 figs is madness! I'm envious of those who have the time, space and patience to do such large units!


90+figure infantry units were the 'norm' back in the 70's at my club. I had several such units as well several 27 strong cavalry units (regiments we called them).

15mm Minifigs cavalry came 3 to a strip so buying 9 strips to get a unit was easy to do. 9 bases, each base square with 3 figures in close order in 3 ranks of 3 made manouvering nice and tidy.

Ithoriel of this ilk may well remember taking part although he was but a lad at the time :)
Title: Re: ECW Project start
Post by: mmcv on 08 April 2021, 06:47:45 PM
Must have been an impressive sight!
Title: Re: ECW Project start
Post by: cudders on 08 April 2021, 09:15:00 PM
Yeh i remember the large units when I started.

Bases with one, two four etc for removing casualties and huge lists of modifiers in the rules.

Gradually moved away from all that. Much prefer large units or a max of four stands and using casualty markers.

Cudders

Title: Re: ECW Project start
Post by: Ithoriel on 09 April 2021, 12:32:55 AM
Quote from: jimduncanuk on 08 April 2021, 06:27:43 PM
90+figure infantry units were the 'norm' back in the 70's at my club. I had several such units as well several 27 strong cavalry units (regiments we called them).

15mm Minifigs cavalry came 3 to a strip so buying 9 strips to get a unit was easy to do. 9 bases, each base square with 3 figures in close order in 3 ranks of 3 made manouvering nice and tidy.

Ithoriel of this ilk may well remember taking part although he was but a lad at the time :)


My first contact with SESWC was an enormous 25mm Waterloo game put on in Edinburgh University's Appleton Tower. There I met Jimmy Conquer, who it turned out lived near me and he inveigled me into joining the club. Didn't take long to get introduced to Jim, Big Iain and Wee Ian and various others only too happy to point to some figures and say,"those are your troops, we need you to ...." God was definitely on the side of the big battalions! :)
Title: Re: ECW Project start
Post by: pierre the shy on 09 April 2021, 08:50:15 AM
Quote from: DecemDave on 08 April 2021, 01:36:02 PM
I have a question to this special interest group :  How are you representing a forlorn hope unit?  Same size and layout as commanded musket or not?  Different coat colours?  

For what its worth this is how we depict forlorn hope units when using "For King and Parliament" - These pictures depict Montrose's Irish Brigade folorn hope and commanded shot units (the figures are actually from Lancer miniatures).

The overall bases are 90mm wide by 55mm deep with the troops on two 40 by 40mm sabots. Each Sabot has 2 ranks of 3 shot plus one sabot will have a command figure as well....

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48005955207_2e64995b24_c.jpg)

Only 13 figures per base in total  ;)

And for commanded shot the bases are 130mm wide by 55mm deep with the troops on two 40 by 30mm sabots. Each sabot has 2 ranks of 5 shot plus two command figures on a 40 by 10mm sabot. The rest of the sabots are left empty.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48005869376_f220f3af56_c.jpg)

Hope that gives you some ideas to work from.

Good luck with your project  :)

Title: Re: ECW Project start
Post by: DecemDave on 10 April 2021, 10:19:31 AM
Thanks mmcv and Pierre the Shy for your ideas.  The FK&P version fits perfectly with the rest of the scheme I'm using so I'll go with that.  2 units of mixed coat forlorn hope per side in a looser layout than other units.  I've still got "left over" musketeers from multiple manufacturer so there is scope for a very varied layout on a base as well.    I had done commanded musket as 3 40*30 bases but I also see I can now create some empty (or scenic?) half bases and get more units for free!   

And then on to the wagons

and the generals

and the camp

and the new units as new irresistible figures come out

Aaargh!

Title: Re: ECW Project start
Post by: cudders on 04 May 2021, 08:34:41 PM
Hi all,

Just had a delivery so I'll be busy this week catching up on the project.  :D

Hopefully have an update at the weekend.

Cheers,

Cudders
Title: Re: ECW Project start
Post by: paulr on 05 May 2021, 09:33:51 AM
 :!! ;)
Title: Re: ECW Project start
Post by: cudders on 10 May 2021, 09:11:56 AM
Hi all,

Well I managed to finish the infantry regiments so I now have 10 completed  :D

(https://i.imgur.com/oIL8fKN.jpg?1)

(https://i.imgur.com/6WlGjHL.jpg)

I now need some dismounted dragoons and commanded shot. Also I might do a small contingent of scots  :-

Cudders
Title: Re: ECW Project start
Post by: cudders on 10 May 2021, 09:15:24 AM
Next up is the cavalry.

Six are done now, 2 x Royalist and 4 x Parliament.

I have another two Royalist part done but didn't managed to finish them. Will certainly need a few more though in the future.  :)

(https://i.imgur.com/RKO3xfv.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/zr3H4ll.jpg)

Cudders



Title: Re: ECW Project start
Post by: cudders on 10 May 2021, 09:17:28 AM
Finally a few pics of the entire force thus far.

Hope you like.  :D

(https://i.imgur.com/CAQ48jD.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/Op00PyE.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/1FZzhJ1.jpg)

Cudders

Title: Re: ECW Project start
Post by: Ithoriel on 10 May 2021, 10:10:51 AM
I like very much. Well done!
Title: Re: ECW Project start
Post by: DecemDave on 10 May 2021, 12:49:50 PM
Quote from: cudders on 10 May 2021, 09:11:56 AM
I now need some dismounted dragoons and commanded shot. Also I might do a small contingent of scots  :-
Cudders

Great Work.  =D> =D>

But dont forget the Forlorn Hopes
or the Wagons
or the Camp
or the limbered artillery
or the unlimbered artillery
and, above all, the sheep.   
:d :d
Title: Re: ECW Project start
Post by: Duke Speedy of Leighton on 10 May 2021, 04:48:11 PM
Very cool
Title: Re: ECW Project start
Post by: mmcv on 10 May 2021, 07:45:44 PM
Impressive
Title: Re: ECW Project start
Post by: Techno II on 11 May 2021, 06:45:43 AM
Very nice, indeed !  :-bd

Cheers - Phil  :)
Title: Re: ECW Project start
Post by: cudders on 11 May 2021, 07:39:59 AM
Thanks chaps  :)

I seem to have misplaced my Light Cannons?  I have two crews and limbers etc but no Cannons expect one wheel in the bag??  :-

So just the two Horse to finish and a bag of dismounted dragoons to paint.

Looks like another order then :D

Cudders
Title: Re: ECW Project start
Post by: cudders on 11 May 2021, 09:06:55 AM
And I've run out of bases for the horse troops! DOH!

Having a bad day  :o

Cudders
Title: Re: ECW Project start
Post by: Lord Kermit of Birkenhead on 11 May 2021, 09:19:35 AM
Leon will get those in the post by Thursday, but probably have drips of white emulsiuon on them
Title: Re: ECW Project start
Post by: cudders on 11 May 2021, 09:25:26 AM
 ;D ;D ;D

Cudders
Title: Re: ECW Project start
Post by: DecemDave on 11 May 2021, 09:38:33 AM
Quote from: cudders on 11 May 2021, 09:06:55 AM
And I've run out of bases for the horse troops! DOH!

Having a bad day  :o

Cudders

You are not alone.  Took me 4 orders to complete. (assuming I now have) .   I asked Leon on a recent Zoom meet set up by the Phoenix wargame club what a typical order size was and he said around £40.   So obviously most customers either buy one army pack at a time  OR  have very expert and carefully worked out plans for big armies that don't survive once in contact with the minis.  With my next project I have created paper bases for everything first, so I can scribble exact needs on them and spreadsheet the order(s). 
Bound to fail.
Title: Re: ECW Project start
Post by: Lord Kermit of Birkenhead on 11 May 2021, 04:01:03 PM
Quote from: DecemDave on 11 May 2021, 09:38:33 AM

Bound to fail.


We all love an optomist  :D
Title: Re: ECW Project start
Post by: mmcv on 11 May 2021, 07:18:50 PM
Yeah I started an email "small custom order" to round out my ECW recently and by the end was three times what I'd intended  ;D

Because of course I needed some sheep and cows and dogs as well as all those cavalry and command. And some paints. And I've been meaning to get a pack of those TB line Islamics. Oh and some horses and baggage. And....

This is the danger of sorting through your collection. I've already had packages from a couple of other manufacturers and have a basket full with another  :-X

Title: Re: ECW Project start
Post by: DecemDave on 11 May 2021, 07:54:00 PM
 ;D
=P~
:'( :'(
Title: Re: ECW Project start
Post by: cudders on 12 May 2021, 07:46:42 AM
 ;D ;D ;D ;D

Cudders
Title: Re: ECW Project start
Post by: Poggle on 12 May 2021, 01:39:24 PM
I'm looking to expand my ECW collection before long, and I just know I won't keep to what I planned...
Title: Re: ECW Project start
Post by: mmcv on 12 May 2021, 02:31:20 PM
Quote from: Poggle on 12 May 2021, 01:39:24 PM
I'm looking to expand my ECW collection before long, and I just know I won't keep to what I planned...

I've given up on planning new projects and now just buy a few packs or an army pack to get started. In the early days I was carefully working out what all I would need and how I'd want them to be based and so forth. Then by the time I got them I'd revised the basing twice, then once more once I got them painted and set up, then had retweaked the army lists a few times over...

I have a Trojan War project on the go as well and I swear every time I look at the army list it seems to sprout a new unit or two and the already painted units are telling me they need more troop variety on them....

Title: Re: ECW Project start
Post by: DecemDave on 12 May 2021, 02:58:00 PM
Quote from: Lord Kermit of Birkenhead on 11 May 2021, 04:01:03 PM
We all love an optomist  :D

Seems like the ECW attracts us optimists!   Although arguably we had to be optimists to think we could produce an authentic model of an ECW army at all.

In my case I start off with my Osprey type guide (actually Helion)  to reproduce the exact OOB with authentic uniform and flags for each unit in Essex's army in 1642 and its Royalist opposition only to find that so much is unknown (and unknowable).  But there is just enough hard info about to constrain you from making it all up. 

Then (this happens in other periods too) your authoritative wargamers guide source turns out to have relied heavily on some Victorian amateur historian who made unsourced assumptions which have since been accepted as fact and that the contemporary sources actually don't say what secondary sources claim they do.  [see mmcv and I on his miscellany thread on proportion of pike to shot in the New Noddle for an example] .

I'm still not even clear what colour Pikes were.  I went for a brown wood (as most do) , but there is a contemporary record of buying paint for pikes.  Which could be clear preservative, mahogany wood stain or match unit coat colours for all I know. 




Title: Re: ECW Project start
Post by: Lord Kermit of Birkenhead on 12 May 2021, 03:04:04 PM
Dave remember that there are 3 types of knowledge, things we know, things we know we dont know, and things we dont know we dont know. Lots of contemporay sources don't metion something because at the time it was comon knowledge, so needed no mention. It is what makes reasearch fun. As to Ospreys they are normally pretty good, and last time I taught a course I told the students they could use Wickapedia but only as a starting point.
Title: Re: ECW Project start
Post by: DecemDave on 12 May 2021, 03:36:06 PM
I totally agree    :D 
I was trying to disclose my road to enlightenment and pessimism rather than condemn all Osprey guides.  I own lots of them.
And its not just unstated assumptions, mis-used sources and disputed facts, all sources were and are written by someone with  biases, a purpose, a focus on events/outcomes/moral lessons (not trivia to them like pike colours), a sponsor/paying audience to please and (in periods like the Commonwealth or Restoration) a need to be careful who they criticise.     


   
Title: Re: ECW Project start
Post by: mmcv on 12 May 2021, 03:49:44 PM
To be fair I use the "pikes were painted or stained in different colours" excuse with myself when I can't remember (or run out of) what brown I used on a previous batch...  ;D

I did experiment with painting them actual colours but it looked a bit off. I think there is at least one reference I came across a year or two back of some regiment (Cornish?) having coloured (blue?) pikes, though it was unclear if the pikes were coloured or they just had coloured fabric attached :-\
Title: Re: ECW Project start
Post by: DecemDave on 12 May 2021, 04:09:02 PM
Quote from: mmcv on 12 May 2021, 03:49:44 PM
or they just had coloured fabric attached :-

At Last! The true origin of Morris Dancers revealed  ;D ;D
Title: Re: ECW Project start
Post by: cudders on 12 May 2021, 08:23:42 PM
I gave up with looking at the histories of colours etc as the vast majority are unknown.

Same with the flags.

I've just gone with generic coat colours of the period and contrasting flags. I'll be using labels once I start my campaign so can use any unit as required.

Life's too short IMO. Now where's that one hair brush for those butttons  :-  :D

Cudders
Title: Re: ECW Project start
Post by: mmcv on 12 May 2021, 09:54:14 PM
My general approach is to look up the unit on http://wiki.bcw-project.org and use the cost and flag suggested there. If none, make it up.

New Model Army is easy for coats as they're all red but some mentioned having coloured lining which would show on the cuff turn ups so ran with that too give each unit a splash of colour on the cuff, usually matching or contrasting a flag colour. Have a book of ECW flags that I flick through for inspiration and pick from the "unknowns" when I need one.
Title: Re: ECW Project start
Post by: cudders on 12 July 2021, 09:10:39 PM
Hi guys,

Back painting after a break. Progress below  :D

First up - Two more Horse complete. That's eight now.

(https://i.imgur.com/YKCEAJc.jpg)

Four Dragoon units - I've used smaller bases in an open formation.

(https://i.imgur.com/CApDixF.jpg)

Two Commanded Foot - Same size base as Dragoons.

(https://i.imgur.com/DXsviFP.jpg)

Four Cannons with crew.

(https://i.imgur.com/R5d7FCU.jpg?1)

Two Infantry Command Bases

(https://i.imgur.com/jZJlQCC.jpg)

Four Horse Command Bases

(https://i.imgur.com/R1CEa0U.jpg)

An finally - Two Army Commanders.

(https://i.imgur.com/mSdu6TC.jpg)

That's it for now. Moving onto my other scale WOR for a change. Apologies the photos are a bit dark etc. New phone. I'll do better next time!

Hope you like  :)

Cudders

Title: Re: ECW Project start
Post by: mmcv on 12 July 2021, 09:51:26 PM
Lovely work
Title: Re: ECW Project start
Post by: paulr on 13 July 2021, 04:34:42 AM
 :-bd =D> :-bd =D>
Title: Re: ECW Project start
Post by: Duke Speedy of Leighton on 13 July 2021, 05:59:50 AM
Brilliant work
Title: Re: ECW Project start
Post by: Lord Kermit of Birkenhead on 13 July 2021, 06:07:45 AM
Good stuff
Title: Re: ECW Project start
Post by: Techno II on 13 July 2021, 06:23:56 AM
Those ARE a bit good ! :-bd

Super work on those !

Cheers - Phil. :)
Title: Re: ECW Project start
Post by: DecemDave on 13 July 2021, 08:03:40 AM
His Majesty doth much admire your fine men and trusts you will soon crush any rebellion in your region.
(https://i.imgur.com/jXu7Bh0.jpg)
Title: Re: ECW Project start
Post by: sheepman 1 on 13 July 2021, 10:43:11 AM
Very nice indeed, fantastic brushwork.
Dave.
Title: Re: ECW Project start
Post by: Lord Kermit of Birkenhead on 13 July 2021, 11:03:21 AM
Certainly better than mine
Title: Re: ECW Project start
Post by: fred. on 13 July 2021, 11:19:45 AM
Great looking units
Title: Re: ECW Project start
Post by: Poggle on 13 July 2021, 12:09:00 PM
Nicely done!  :-bd
Title: Re: ECW Project start
Post by: cudders on 09 December 2021, 11:11:26 AM
Hmmm,

Well after some thought, I may have to let these go. I am running out of space and will shortly be starting my main project - Napoleonics. I'm also thinking of some WW2 stuff down the pipeline.

Decision decisions  :-\  :-X

Cudders
Title: Re: ECW Project start
Post by: cudders on 20 December 2021, 09:30:31 PM
Hi,

Well after a word with myself I'll be keeping em.  :D

Another pack of goodies has arrived so another two RUB boxes aquired  ;)

Cudders
Title: Re: ECW Project start
Post by: paulr on 21 December 2021, 04:37:04 AM
 :-bd  ;)
Title: Re: ECW Project start
Post by: FierceKitty on 21 December 2021, 05:13:00 AM
ECW is far more important than Napoleonics. (ducks behind sofa, forms mixed pike and shot square)
Title: Re: ECW Project start
Post by: Lord Kermit of Birkenhead on 21 December 2021, 06:10:32 AM
Have that Kat guttined
Title: Re: ECW Project start
Post by: pierre the shy on 21 December 2021, 07:12:21 AM
Quote from: FierceKitty on 21 December 2021, 05:13:00 AMECW is far more important than Napoleonics. (ducks behind sofa, forms mixed pike and shot square)

In C17 terminology Kitty is forming into hedgehog formation (i.e. allround defence)....
Title: Re: ECW Project start
Post by: cudders on 24 December 2021, 11:20:27 AM
 ;D  ;D  ;D  Mad lot!

Cudders
Title: Re: ECW Project start
Post by: Lord Kermit of Birkenhead on 24 December 2021, 11:47:23 AM
Iknow I'm mad, I've always been mad, I've been mad for fu**ing years  ;)  ;)  ;)