Hello everyone!
Just passing by to say hello to you all and introduce myself. My name is Arthur Curvelo, I was born in Brazil but I live in Portugal. I'm a historian, my research topics are related to early modern history, specially of the early modern empires, and more specifically the Portuguese Empire. I paint miniatures since I was 15 years old, most plastic in 1/72 scale, and I am triyng to continue so in my spare times.
So I'm a begginer on 10mm scale, but since I have discovered it, it become definitely my favourite scale. I'm now working in a project on the Dutch-Portuguese Wars that took place in Brazil (1624-1654), and starting my armies with this fabulous Pendraken miniatures (I'm so grateful for the samples you guys send me).
I have this instragram account where I put my stuff on, if anyone wants to check up: https://www.instagram.com/curvelominiatures/
Wish you all good luck and good health!
Cheers,
Arthur
Welcome Arthur.
10mm is the scale; you are to be congratulated on your wisdom.
I would be interested to see figures from a war not well known here, but don't make it too interesting. I have enough projects on the go as it is.
Welcome Arthur! Good to have you on board. Looking forward to seeing it all progress.
It's definitely an interesting period. I've been reading a lot into early colonial stuff lately. I also had a notion of doing a Battle of Alcácer Quibir project at some point in the future. Some quite nice figures in the Renaissance range for it.
10mm is a lot of fun and will look well for the era.
Thank you, gentleman!
Indeed, 10mm is the best scale ever! I feel myself enlighted after I've discover it.
So, FSN as soon as I'm now waiting for an order to arrive, as I have no Terço's ready. What I have is the very first figure on the Luso-Brazilian side, a soldier from the Terço dos Henriques (black troops made on former slaves that were released of their to condition to fight against the dutch. I will put a photo of that little guy down here.
One of the hardest things in making an army such as this is the Amerindians that fought alongside with both sids... The only company that posted them was Obelisk miniatures and they are gone...
MMCV
Quote from: mmcv on 20 January 2021, 07:36:21 PM
Welcome Arthur! Good to have you on board. Looking forward to seeing it all progress.
It's definitely an interesting period. I've been reading a lot into early colonial stuff lately. I also had a notion of doing a Battle of Alcácer Quibir project at some point in the future. Some quite nice figures in the Renaissance range for it.
10mm is a lot of fun and will look well for the era.
MMCV, It is definitely a formidable project! Wish you good luck with it, and I'am avaiable to assist you in anything you need. Portuguese folks are still wainting for Dom Sebastião to return from the dead and save the country ;D
Iconography on the battle is very rich too. I will see if I can find something and post it here. Cheers
Hi Arthur, welcome to the Forum!
8)
Welcome Arthur
The only proxy I can think of for Amerindians are the Ancient Indians Forest Tribesmen AI10:-
(https://pendraken.co.uk/_img/products/31/AI11.jpg)
Cheers
GrumpyOldMan
Welcome Arthur. I'm a Brit now living in the Netherlands so will be very interested to see how your Dutch Brazilian Wars project develops. 10mm is indeed a great scale to work with.
Welcome on board :)
Quote from: ArthurCurvelo on 20 January 2021, 08:15:54 PM
MMCV
MMCV, It is definitely a formidable project! Wish you good luck with it, and I'am avaiable to assist you in anything you need. Portuguese folks are still wainting for Dom Sebastião to return from the dead and save the country ;D
Iconography on the battle is very rich too. I will see if I can find something and post it here. Cheers
Yes I stumbled across it one time and found it quite fascinating. Have plenty of other projects on the go now but something for the future. I remember seeing the artwork with the blocks of Europeans surrounded by the crescent of North Africans being quite evocative.
I would love more native Americans in 10mm. Putting together Meosoamerican armies at the moment with the lovely Aztec figures, but doing some South Americans would be great. As you say Obilisk seem to be out of production and noone else does it yet :(.
Leon.....go on
Some of those former slaves ended up fighting in east Asia under Portugese officers too.
Welcome aboard. :)
Hello and welcome.
A very warm welcome, Arthur.
Cheers - Phil :)
Welcome Arthur :-h
A very impressive paint job on that figure, I definitely looking forward to seeing your project progress :-bd =D> :-bd
If y ou are not insane ATM a couple of weeks on here will correct that. Hi ! ;)
Quote from: paulr on 21 January 2021, 07:49:34 AM
Welcome Arthur :-h
A very impressive paint job on that figure, I definitely looking forward to seeing your project progress :-bd =D> :-bd
Thank you very much, Paul :)
Quote from: GrumpyOldMan on 20 January 2021, 08:58:27 PM
Welcome Arthur
The only proxy I can think of for Amerindians are the Ancient Indians Forest Tribesmen AI10:-
(https://pendraken.co.uk/_img/products/31/AI11.jpg)
Cheers
GrumpyOldMan
Thank you so much! Indeed, with some quick conversions, those Ancient Indians Forest Tribesman could become some South American Amerindians. The only problem here is that during the war, they fought sometimes with muskets and arquebuses provided by both Portuguese and Dutch. I was wandering if it would be possible to convert some French and Indian War figures for this purpose. I'am not sure :- . Anyway, thank you.
Thank you all gentleman for the hearty welcome! Looking foreward to see what you guys are working on too. Cheers
Welcome Arthur
Arthur, out of interest, do you have a particular ruleset in mind to use for the armies?
Quote from: mmcv on 21 January 2021, 11:07:55 AM
Arthur, out of interest, do you have a particular ruleset in mind to use for the armies?
Thank you. That is a good question!
I am actually developing one ruleset myself, I will name it "Guerras do Açúcar: as guerras luso-neerlandesas no Atlântico Sul (1624-1654)", which translated is "Sugar Wars: the portuguese-dutch wars in South Atlantic (1624-1654)". It will be a campaign game, based both in skirmish and larger battles. The chronicles made on the period are quite rich on the description of the events and there is good literature made on the subject too (Evaldo Cabral de Mello, Bruno Miranda, Charles Ralph Boxer, Pedro Puntoni, etc.)
But I am open to sugestions! Would you recommend me any ruleset in particular? Pike & Shotte rulesets are the most suitable, although it was a war fought with reduced pike and cavalry troops.
Hey Arthur, welcome to the forum.
Our interests are very close.
My own focus is Portugal (and later Netherlands / VoC) and their opponents in the Indian Ocean.
I am looking at the "Irregular Wars" rules, which cover the timeline and include appropriate lists. http://irregularwars.blogspot.com/p/irregular-wars-conflict-at-worlds-end.html (http://irregularwars.blogspot.com/p/irregular-wars-conflict-at-worlds-end.html)
The same lists would serve for Portuguese, Hollanders and Amazon Indians in Brazil.
My own "natives" potentially include Southern and Werst African, Arabian, Persian, Indian, East Indies, Eastern Pirates, Ming China and Japan.
I've opted to focus on Africa and the East Indies at first.
I find 10mm ideal for such a project for several reasons.
1. Can fit several figures on a base without crowding, this is an issue with 15mm cavalry, guns and especially elephants. I prefer the mass formation look that 10mm permits
2. Figures are large enough to recognise their type, and equipment in a general way. You can do a lot by painting to create distinctive units.
3. Figures are small enough to enable imaginative conversions.
A little paint, trimming down a weapon, or filing a helmet ridge can go a long way to fill a gap in your army list.
The scale enables recognition of a long gun, but is small enough to make identification of matchlock / flintlock / breachloader ambiguous (if you paint it right).
It is necessary to take an "impressionistic" approach, find something that looks close, then let your paintbrush do the bulk of the work.
4. There are great subjects among Pendraken's Renaissance range.
I have found others among the ancients (Classical Indians), Dark Age (Arabs), Colonial (Indian Mutiny), 18th Century (French and Indian) There are even a few among the African Range form World War 1.
Good luck with your adventures.
We clearly have a lot of interests in common.
I hope we can share more information in future.
Best wishes
Steve
Quote from: ArthurCurvelo on 21 January 2021, 11:41:16 AM
Thank you. That is a good question!
I am actually developing one ruleset myself, I will name it "Guerras do Açúcar: as guerras luso-neerlandesas no Atlântico Sul (1624-1654)", which translated is "Sugar Wars: the portuguese-dutch wars in South Atlantic (1624-1654)". It will be a campaign game, based both in skirmish and larger battles. The chronicles made on the period are quite rich on the description of the events and there is good literature made on the subject too (Evaldo Cabral de Mello, Bruno Miranda, Charles Ralph Boxer, Pedro Puntoni, etc.)
But I am open to sugestions! Would you recommend me any ruleset in particular? Pike & Shotte rulesets are the most suitable, although it was a war fought with reduced pike and cavalry troops.
Very interesting, I hope you share some progress on that in time.
I've been mostly looking at To the Strongest and have been making lists for the early Americas for it. It is stretching it a little to push into the 16th/17th century, but there is a Renaissance version in the works that should bridge some of those gaps. However, given the majority of the warfare for a lot of the early colonial period was primarily fought with large numbers of native auxiliaries and early gunpowder weapons rather than the formed up pike and shot of Europe, it generally fits pretty well. I've lists done for most of the Americas up to early contact and colonisation (other than the Europeans and the Inca which are next up!).
I'm actually currently working on a Tupi list for it, though can't quite decide whether the bulk of them are best represented as light troops with bows and added heavy weapons (i.e. more focused on being manoeuvrable and shooting and only being somewhat effective in melee) or as deep formations of warriors with heavy weapons and extra bows (i.e. able to fire off a bit at range, but more effective in melee, though less manoeuvrable as a big mass of warriors).
I've read they're considered both excellent archers as well as being very fond of beating each other up with large clubs, so hard to determine if pitched battles (as opposed to raids and skirmishes) were more focused on the missile exchange or the melee. Would be interested in your perception of how they engaged in large scale battles?
Hi Arthur, welcome to the forum.
For native allies the French & Indian Wars range Woodland Indians painted as though they have bare arms, legs and chests might do for arquebusiers. They might look a little "buff" compared with their historical counterparts but otherwise shouldn't be too far off?
(https://pendraken.co.uk/_img/products/763/FI13.jpg)(https://pendraken.co.uk/_img/products/770/FI20.jpg)
(https://pendraken.co.uk/_img/products/766/FI16.jpg)
Quote from: mmcv on 21 January 2021, 01:38:03 PM
I've read they're considered both excellent archers as well as being very fond of beating each other up with large clubs, so hard to determine if pitched battles (as opposed to raids and skirmishes) were more focused on the missile exchange or the melee. Would be interested in your perception of how they engaged in large scale battles?
My own reading, focussed on early hominids and things we can infer about them from studies of modern(ish) hunter-gatherers, suggests most prefer missile weapons for inter-tribal warfare and things like clubs for settling differences one-on-one. Missile fire being less lethal than hand-to-hand, apparently.
Of course, once you've broken the enemy with missile fire, it's out with the billy-clubs and hunt down the stragglers and wounded.
Others may have more specific information.
Quote from: Ithoriel on 21 January 2021, 01:56:12 PM
My own reading, focussed on early hominids and things we can infer about them from studies of modern(ish) hunter-gatherers, suggests most prefer missile weapons for inter-tribal warfare and things like clubs for settling differences one-on-one. Missile fire being less lethal than hand-to-hand, apparently.
Of course, once you've broken the enemy with missile fire, it's out with the billy-clubs and hunt down the stragglers and wounded.
Others may have more specific information.
Yeah, there seems to be reports that they tended to just pull the arrows out when they got hit and carry on firing, while melee seemed more decisive (and more beneficial for the taking of captives for sacrifice and consumption). Certainly, raids and skirmishes I suspect would be mostly light infantry style missile exchanges with a bit of one on one club bashing, but the reports of large pitched battles, while much less common, seem to get a lot more vicious with "massed phalanxes" exchanging arrows before charging into combat 'like bulls' and battering away at each other 'for as long as he could move his arms and legs'.
Quote from: Ithoriel on 21 January 2021, 01:56:12 PM
My own reading, focussed on early hominids and things we can infer about them from studies of modern(ish) hunter-gatherers, suggests most prefer missile weapons for inter-tribal warfare and things like clubs for settling differences one-on-one. Missile fire being less lethal than hand-to-hand, apparently.
Of course, once you've broken the enemy with missile fire, it's out with the billy-clubs and hunt down the stragglers and wounded.
Others may have more specific information.
My impression too.
Much like the world wars of the last century:
Stand off and exchange fire.
Move up reserves, thicken the shooting, win the firefight.
Close with the enemy and defeat them.