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Title: Extra WWII codes!
Post by: Leon on 21 December 2020, 04:21:22 PM
We've got a few WWII additions ready, just to fill a couple of gaps in the ranges!

WWII
British - https://pendraken.co.uk/world-war-ii/british/
BRF59   4.2" mortar with crew (3 teams)   £1.85
BRV33   Churchill I   £3.30

French - https://pendraken.co.uk/world-war-ii/french/
FRE64   Anti-tank rifle, prone (10)   £1.85
FRE65   Anti-tank rifle, walking (5)   £1.00


And the pics!

(https://pendraken.co.uk/_img/products/5090/BRF59.jpg)

(https://pendraken.co.uk/_img/products/2308/BRV33.jpg)

(https://pendraken.co.uk/_img/products/5115/FRE64.jpg)

(https://pendraken.co.uk/_img/products/5116/FRE65.jpg)


There'll be a few more bits later tonight, in bigger scales and MDF... 
Title: Re: Extra WWII codes!
Post by: fred. on 21 December 2020, 09:21:02 PM
Some handy additions there.

I thought the 4.2" mortar looked huge, but from a quick google it was huge!

Firing or walking French AT rifles, hmmm?
Title: Re: Extra WWII codes!
Post by: Steve J on 21 December 2020, 09:31:12 PM
Very useful additions :).
Title: Re: Extra WWII codes!
Post by: sultanbev on 21 December 2020, 09:55:38 PM
"Firing or walking French AT rifles, hmmm?"
Aye, the French ordered 500 Boys in return for the 25mm ATG they gave the BEF, but only received 48 of them, used by select GRDI and GRCA corps recce units. The paras received some in June 1940.
However I've used these for my 1940-42 Turkish army, as the early war Turks wore French style uniforms. Even when the British and French armies were short of weapons, we managed to send the Turks loads of weapons in 1939-1940.

Mark

Title: Re: Extra WWII codes!
Post by: Duke Speedy of Leighton on 21 December 2020, 10:45:05 PM
Nice release chaps
Title: Re: Extra WWII codes!
Post by: fsn on 21 December 2020, 11:00:43 PM
Oooooh! Churchill I.

Didi they do owt except Dieppe?

Tunisia mebbe?

Oh, I'm definitely getting some ... it's just knowing where to use them.
Title: Re: Extra WWII codes!
Post by: sultanbev on 21 December 2020, 11:11:52 PM
Is a Mk.1 ? I can't see the bow 3" howitzer in the photo.

Mark
Title: Re: Extra WWII codes!
Post by: Lord Kermit of Birkenhead on 22 December 2020, 07:16:08 AM
Churchill I's, training only, at Deippe they were III's. The II's, with 2pdr in the hull and 3" in the turret were sent to Tunisia due to a shortage on V's, and were replaced as soon as possible.
Title: Re: Extra WWII codes!
Post by: fsn on 22 December 2020, 08:13:22 AM
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/6c/bb/e6/6cbbe6b7e3961d2697a6ea55ad131820.jpg)
Definitely Churchill I's at Dieppe.
Title: Re: Extra WWII codes!
Post by: Leon on 22 December 2020, 10:14:10 AM
I'll check with Dave on that, I can't see the howitzer in the photo either.
Title: Re: Extra WWII codes!
Post by: sultanbev on 22 December 2020, 10:36:32 AM
If it's just the bow MG instead of the howitzer, then it becomes a Churchill Mk.2.

The Churchill Mk.IICS is an unusual variant, that saw limited service, as it had the 3" howitzer in the turret and the 2pdr in the hull.
An even odder version was the Mk.ICS which was still in use in Italy, it had 3" howitzers in both the hull and turret.

See for example The British Armies in WW2 an Organisational History Volume 4, David Hughes, DA Ryan, S Rothwell, Nafziger (2002) ISBN 1-58545-085-5
Page 10 mentions 21st Tank brigade having 12x Churchill I CS in March 1943
Page 11 shows 12th RTR still with 6x Churchill I CS in Sept 1943
Page 12 25th Tank Brigade's 51st RTR had 6x Churchill I CS in Feb 1943

Mark
Title: Re: Extra WWII codes!
Post by: fsn on 22 December 2020, 10:44:50 AM
Ah! Ok, the Churchill I had a 2pdr in the turret and a 3" howitzer in the hull. The Churchill II  had  the armament the other way round. However after some 300 Churchill I's had been produce, they ran out of 3" howitzers so began to produce Mk I's with a Besa in the hull. In some references this is called the Churchill II.  (David Fletcher calls it this in his Battle Tanks so I'll go with him.)

If you call the model a Churchill II, I think that would be acceptable.
Title: Re: Extra WWII codes!
Post by: John Cook on 22 December 2020, 11:54:11 AM
The only question I would ask is why produce two obscure items that saw limited use when the Italian range, for example, has had no artillery for as long as I can remember. 
Title: Re: Extra WWII codes!
Post by: Lord Kermit of Birkenhead on 22 December 2020, 12:51:26 PM
No pleasing some people John. Also until early 45 and the appearance of Cent's the British forces used Roman numerals for their various marks so Chirchill 2 should be Churchill II.
Title: Re: Extra WWII codes!
Post by: Orcs on 22 December 2020, 02:31:24 PM
Quote from: John Cook on 22 December 2020, 11:54:11 AM
The only question I would ask is why produce two obscure items that saw limited use when the Italian range, for example, has had no artillery for as long as I can remember. 
I agree John. Rather get the basic ranges complete than the obscure items. eg the Panzer lll H.  While the pending Panzer lll H has some small external  differences, to the  Pzlll F, I don't think these are very obvious on a 10mm scale vehicle even close up let alone on the table top
Title: Re: Extra WWII codes!
Post by: Duke Speedy of Leighton on 22 December 2020, 04:20:25 PM
He who pays the sculper play the tune!  :D🎼🎵🎶
Title: Re: Extra WWII codes!
Post by: Ithoriel on 22 December 2020, 04:29:42 PM
I rather like that Pendraken do the odd unusual item.

Who knows, perhaps as a result my Pendraken Russians may one day field a couple of SU-76i's or an SG-122.
Title: Re: Extra WWII codes!
Post by: Techno II on 22 December 2020, 04:54:41 PM
Quote from: mad lemmey on 22 December 2020, 04:20:25 PM
He who pays the sculptor play the tune!  :D🎼🎵🎶

True....I was given a private commission to make the AT figures. :D

Cheers - Phil :)
Title: Re: Extra WWII codes!
Post by: howayman on 22 December 2020, 07:52:00 PM
Russian 100mm at gun would be nice  ;)
Title: Re: Extra WWII codes!
Post by: kustenjaeger on 22 December 2020, 08:23:46 PM
Just as a note the existing Pz III E/F has a 37mm gun and is significantly different from the 5cm Kurz version. The uparmed Pz IIIF and the Pz IIIG differed from one another mainly in the way the extra armour was added.

Edward
Title: Re: Extra WWII codes!
Post by: steve_holmes_11 on 23 December 2020, 12:50:41 AM
Quote from: howayman on 22 December 2020, 07:52:00 PM
Russian 100mm at gun would be nice  ;)

Not if you're driving a Panzer IV.
Title: Re: Extra WWII codes!
Post by: John Cook on 23 December 2020, 01:16:56 AM
Well Ian, look upon it as just customer feed-back.  I'd be pleased if some Italian artillery appeared, and some Belgian infantry to go with the 1940 vehicles. 
Title: Re: Extra WWII codes!
Post by: Leon on 23 December 2020, 10:56:27 AM
Quote from: Ithoriel on 22 December 2020, 04:29:42 PM
Who knows, perhaps as a result my Pendraken Russians may one day field a couple of SU-76i's...

Hmmm... have you been sneaking in the workshop...?!

Quote from: John Cook on 23 December 2020, 01:16:56 AM
I'd be pleased if some Italian artillery appeared, and some Belgian infantry to go with the 1940 vehicles.  

The artillery should have been done by now, we've got the crew sitting here but we've just never managed to get the guns sorted out.  It'll be one of the first jobs on the design schedule heading into 2021, along with some revamped Pz II's and Pz I's.
Title: Re: Extra WWII codes!
Post by: John Cook on 23 December 2020, 12:20:55 PM
Leon,  Thanks for that.  I hope none of this will be at the expense of the Peninsular range :)
Title: Re: Extra WWII codes!
Post by: Leon on 23 December 2020, 12:37:46 PM
Quote from: John Cook on 23 December 2020, 12:20:55 PM
Leon,  Thanks for that.  I hope none of this will be at the expense of the Peninsular range :)

Nope, different sculptors for those!