Mulling over doing this in 10mm. Don't see too many problems with suitable figures but was wondering what rules to look at prior to ordering too many figures!
Anybofy else tried this or ahve any suggestions?
I imagine a lot of the ECW/LoA era rules could work for it. I'm sure For King and Parliament could handle it quite nicely, then there's the likes of Pike and Shotte and Twilight of the Sun King too.
Quote from: mmcv on 24 November 2020, 04:53:08 PM
I imagine a lot of the ECW/LoA era rules could work for it. I'm sure For King and Parliament could handle it quite nicely, then there's the likes of Pike and Shotte and Twilight of the Sun King too.
+1 - assuming you are after gaming battles, not skirmishes?
I'm not too familiar with it myself, but Pikemans Lament is also popular for smaller skirmish scenarios in the period.
Thanks guys.
Will take a look at For King and Parliament. Fred's right, I'm looking for battles rather than skirmishes, so not sure the Pikeman's Lament would fit the bill. At least from the reviews i've seen.
I like Field of Glory Renaissance - FoGR - myself - they capture the look and feel of the period very well - I suspect that in 10mm they would look very good visually as well.
I particularly find the effect of even a few mounted units on a larger less well disciplined mostly foot army works well and probably would reflect the nervousness of the rebels to Royalist mounted troops (even Dragoons) very well.
Mark
Thanks, Mark.
Not a big fan of the original FOG but will have a look at this variant.
I'd agree on the FoG Ancient & Medieval set - FoGR is a much better variant - I think Richard Bodley-Scott had a much freer hand its development. I've played a lot of it in 15mm and 28mm and it plays well, and just as importantly it actually looks like a renaissance battle on the table-top (or at least what we belive they looked like from the period woodcuts).
I particularly like the way that Tercios are portrayed and operate.
Hi
Totally agree with Mark, can't put my finger on why exactly but FOG R 'felt' much better than FOG A&M to play. That said I have moved on to 'For King and Parliament' for my ECW games and they should work well for Monmouth's Rebellion (bearing in mind that there was only one actual 'battle').
Cheers Paul
I think you will find that DGuy was looking at Sedgemoor and the 1685 Rebellion a few years ago: http://www.pendrakenforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,14978.0.html
Like us NZ based Pendrakeners he uses For King and Parliament as a ruleset. They are a great set of rules :-bd
Most of Bill's stuff is recorded on his very useful blog at https://inredcoatragsattired.com/
However it doesn't appear to be working currently...I am going to contact him to see if he can get it up and running again as I never got to look at much of the very useful material he has very kindly found time tio post there covering the 1630 - 1700 period.
I have seen him post on the forum recently so he is around.
Cheers
Peter
I play the LoA period using Pike and Shotte, I find they give a fun game with lots of flavour. For a smallish, uneven battle I have played Killiecrankie a few times now with different people and have always had a satisfying game using these rules. Even when I lost to the Jacobites ;D
Cheers
Ian
The lates in Bob Cordery's Portable Wargames series has been published and, IIRC, has a bit on the Battle of Sedgemoor.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Portable-Pike-Shot-Wargame/dp/B08NX9VHLG/ref=sr_1_2?dchild=1&keywords=bob+cordery&qid=1606375848&s=books&sr=1-2 (https://www.amazon.co.uk/Portable-Pike-Shot-Wargame/dp/B08NX9VHLG/ref=sr_1_2?dchild=1&keywords=bob+cordery&qid=1606375848&s=books&sr=1-2)
Quote from: pierre the shy on 26 November 2020, 04:55:08 AM
I think you will find that DGuy was looking at Sedgemoor and the 1685 Rebellion a few years ago: http://www.pendrakenforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,14978.0.html
Like us NZ based Pendrakeners he uses For King and Parliament as a ruleset. They are a great set of rules :-bd
Most of Bill's stuff is recorded on his very useful blog at https://inredcoatragsattired.com/
However it doesn't appear to be working currently...I am going to contact him to see if he can get it up and running again as I never got to look at much of the very useful material he has very kindly found time tio post there covering the 1630 - 1700 period.
I have seen him post on the forum recently so he is around.
Cheers
Peter
It looks like most of the pages of inredcoatragsattired are archived - https://web.archive.org/web/20180829014642/https://inredcoatragsattired.com/ (https://web.archive.org/web/20180829014642/https://inredcoatragsattired.com/), few haven't been stored such as FK&P pages.
I have played FOGR. Great if you like putting your head in a nutcracker. Yes, the armies look great set out at the staart of a game. After that it becomes "when will this tedium end?"
Hi Leman
Quotehave played FOGR. Great if you like putting your head in a nutcracker. Yes, the armies look great set out at the staart of a game. After that it becomes "when will this tedium end?"
That certainly was not my experience with FOGR.
Cheers Paul
Thanks to all for your input.
For King and Parliament seems to the leader by a neck. Think Santa might bring me a copy if he can navigate the tier system ;)
Thanks for the links, Peter, they're very helpful.
I echo Pierre the Shy's positive comments on For King & Parliament (we are part of the same gaming group)
Here are a few FK&P battle reports you might find interesting
Cheriton 1 http://www.pendrakenforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,18482.0.html (http://www.pendrakenforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,18482.0.html)
Cheriton 2 http://www.pendrakenforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,18500.0.html (http://www.pendrakenforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,18500.0.html)
Cheriton 3 http://www.pendrakenforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,18505.0.html (http://www.pendrakenforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,18505.0.html)
Advance on Leith http://www.pendrakenforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,18928.0.html (http://www.pendrakenforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,18928.0.html)
FK&P is also discussed and supported by the authors on the To the Strongest forum https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/tothestrongest/ (https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/tothestrongest/)
Quote from: Leman on 27 November 2020, 10:43:47 AM
I have played FOGR. Great if you like putting your head in a nutcracker. Yes, the armies look great set out at the staart of a game. After that it becomes "when will this tedium end?"
I bought the rules, and just the movement section was so full of minutia and precision (your pike block may fall back an extra 5mm if its tuesday) I put them straight onto ebay
Quote from: Orcs on 27 November 2020, 10:51:11 PM
I bought the rules, and just the movement section was so full of minutia and precision (your pike block may fall back an extra 5mm if its tuesday) I put them straight onto ebay
Each to their own :D
I find that a lot of the 'simpler' sets are ok for a 'knock-about' solo game or with game mates of an evening - but if you are getting into 'serious' gaming on a large scale with players you don't play with often or in a competition, then the minutia are very necessary.
I tried a couple of the Osprey rules - Dux Bellorum being a case in question. A nice set of ideas and mechanisms, but then there is a section that says something along the lines of ... "these rules are not comprehensive and so you'll need to agree anything that is not covered amongst all players" ... sadly at our club that will just bring forward the post game recrimination phase!
Sounds like you need a new club or at least some different opponents :(
Or perhaps I should be even more appreciative of both my immediate and wider gaming group :) :D
Oh the post game recrimination phase is a long-standing club tradition and one we are proud of.
It usually (in pre Covid times) involves beer and some poor soul getting volunteered to start writing amendments or to go away and seek clarification from the rules author or some other august wargaming guru or a forum. It is usually sign that there is an interest in continuing to play with that set of rules.
Some set of rules are played once & never see the light of day again (like Field of Glory Napoleonic - for example).
It is in no way taken personally - in fact it is such a ritual for large club multi-player games, that if it doesn't occur we all think something is very wrong ;D
It's like that famous Monty Python sketch ... " I'm sorry, is this a five minute argument or the the full half hour?"
A friend of mine, now alas the wrong side of The Pond, plays MeG with a few friends .... they refer to it as Postmortem et Gloriam as they reckon they spend longer dissecting each game than actually playing it. :)
Quote from: paulr on 28 November 2020, 10:40:16 PM
Or perhaps I should be even more appreciative of both my immediate and wider gaming group :) :D
Where would we be with out my and Roy's locally legendary crappy dice throwing reputation? ;)
Ancient Rules wise NZ has always been very WRG orientated... I've played 6th,7th edition. DBM and DBMM over the years,.......no wonder I'm confused ;D Having found (and really enjoyed )FK&P l would love to try To the Strongest...
Quote from: pierre the shy on 29 November 2020, 08:46:45 PM
Where would we be with out my and Roy's locally legendary crappy dice throwing reputation? ;)
Ancient Rules wise NZ has always been very WRG orientated... I've played 6th,7th edition. DBM and DBMM over the years,.......no wonder I'm confused ;D Having found (and really enjoyed )FK&P l would love to try To the Strongest...
Definitely give TtS a go, it'll be quite familiar to you after your experience with FK&P and your DBx armies should translate across pretty well.