Having recently finished the Qin Chinese I was keen to finish their opponents the Chu.
With both sides now done I can have a few games, indeed you can see the green tablecloth.ove been marking out with a grid in preparation.
Here are some sample pics:
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Many more pics and background to be found here: https://mmcvhistoryhome.wordpress.com/2020/11/16/chu-on-this-chinese
Figures are mostly Newline with a few MM as alas our noble hosts don't do anything in this period (nor do any other manufacturers in this scale).
I've enough figures left over to do a few units of the next army in this project, the Han, but will require some more orders to finish them so will move into something else once I've knocked them out. I'm taking a fairly quick paint approach to these so get them done pretty quickly.
Like those a lot!
I think the structure on the chariot bodies is meant to be open railings. Why not do the recessed bits in dark grey?
Very nice work and love the post title :).
:-bd =D> :-bd
Title X_X ;D
Quote from: FierceKitty on 17 November 2020, 02:24:48 AM
I think the structure on the chariot bodies is meant to be open railings. Why not do the recessed bits in dark grey?
I have on the general's chariot where it's in white on the body front, the others I've applied a wash to to darken it down as an alternative. As I used bright lights and a flash to take the photos it lot the recesses out a bit so looks somewhat brighter than in reality. Though on reviewing the pictures there I noticed one side panelling was unfinished. It's not really an issue in reality as the wheel is a little closer to the body due to a snapped axel during construction which is why I missed it, but will probably touch up and maybe darken those recesses a bit more on the others.
Quote from: mad lemmey on 16 November 2020, 10:45:32 PM
Like those a lot!
Quote from: Steve J on 17 November 2020, 07:14:36 AM
Very nice work and love the post title :).
Quote from: paulr on 17 November 2020, 07:31:12 AM
:-bd =D> :-bd
Title X_X ;D
Thanks and couldn't resist! I retroactively renamed my blog post for the Qin to include a pun title too, in the name of balance of course.
Good work, Matthew ! :-bd
Cheers - Phil :)
Nice stuff
QuoteFigures are mostly Newline with a few MM as alas our noble hosts don't do anything in this period (nor do any other manufacturers in this scale).
I should say as well the archers were from Irregular. They have a decent range of Song Dynasty that can be proxied if you apply some heavy paint and squint a little. I have occasionally stumbled across a mystery range of pictures of what seems to be 10mm Qin, but have yet to find where and if they are sold.
Reiver did some good - and some less good - ones, but they've dropped off the radar. Pity - the chariots were better than Newline.
Quote from: FierceKitty on 17 November 2020, 09:01:39 AM
Reiver did some good - and some less good - ones, but they've dropped off the radar. Pity - the chariots were better than Newline.
It may well have been those that I'd seen then.
Try emailing Peter Grey, pg002e6586@blueyonder.co.uk, who may have them. Don't buy the halberdiers; very flimsy weapons.
Quote from: FierceKitty on 17 November 2020, 09:14:44 AM
Try emailing Peter Grey, pg002e6586@blueyonder.co.uk, who may have them. Don't buy the halberdiers; very flimsy weapons.
Thanks, I'll take note of this. I'm trying not to buy any more figures until next year in a bid to try and get some current bits finished up (and to save funds for moving house) but might be one for the list next year. I did prompt Sean at Newline a while back to see if he'd plans to expand the Chinese range, but I think it's down his list a fair bit.
Hmmm, instead he makes an ECW range, which you can get from two other makers at least, and possibly more.
Quote from: FierceKitty on 17 November 2020, 11:13:15 AM
Hmmm, instead he makes an ECW range, which you can get from two other makers at least, and possibly more.
To be fair, it is likely a much more popular era. I am tempted by a pack of their ECW command for variety when I get back to expanding those forces in the future. Not sure why China doesn't have as much appeal to the "western" wargaming community when it has such a rich and varied history, though at least there are a few ranges in most scales to satisfy some periods.
I remember a gaming buddy's doing a bit of a double take when I pointed out the rules were as capable of doing the Spring and Autumn Wars as the Hellenistic Successor ones.
Yes indeed. Qin Shi Huang and Alexander the Great were separated by only a few decades, that would have been a fun matchup. There's a phrase about classical military blunders and land wars in Asia that spring to mind.
I think much of this has to do with the primary markers.
ECW is by all global measures a tiny local war. But as so much wargaming is centred on the UK, and the early protagonists where keen on the ECW its a far more significant period than would be expected.
Whereas Chinese history is all a bit distant and vague, even to myself who is very knowledge on history compared to the vast majority of people. There needs to be something to tickle the interest, then having access to books and articles etc to build that knowledge. I'm sure this exists but much will be in Chinese - which is rather inaccessible for western gamers. It's all a bit chicken and egg, but without interest they won't be figures, but figures will drive interest etc.
I get that the above is a parochial view - but these are the most common views.
I suspect you're right Fred.
The depth and breadth of Chinese history is maybe what deters people, along with the alien pronunciations of names and places.
To take Japan as a contrast, it's very popular, but focused almost entirely on Sengoku Jidai and the 20th Century. A small slice of history overall, so less daunting. Plus Japanese names are easier for English speakers to pronounce.
Saying that, there's many people you talk to who couldn't tell Chinese and Japanese history and culture apart, but historical wargamers tend to be more savvy on such things.
And of course poor Korea is often neglected pre 20th C, not sure of any small scale ones that do them.
I'm sure pop culture plays into it. Japan has a thriving cultural export on Samurai which drives interest, while Chinese warfare media is more niche, with Kung Fu adventures being more popular over large battles. There is some great Chinese big battle media out there though, John Wood Red Cliffs comes to mind and I've been enjoying the series Kings War on Netflix that I've drawn some inspiration from with these troops.
There's also a couple of excellent historical podcasts for China, History of China Podcast being one I'm working through currently. Plus a few overview histories from the Great Courses. There are some really fascinating characters and conflicts.
Sorry, slow reply. Kallistra make Koreans who will do for the 16th century.
Quote from: FierceKitty on 30 November 2020, 01:44:03 AM
Sorry, slow reply. Kallistra make Koreans who will do for the 16th century.
Ah yes, good to know thanks.