Leon
when do you sleep ?
regards
Sean
He doesn't
that explains a lot ;D
regards
Sean
Quote from: mad lemmey on 20 October 2020, 06:46:22 AM
He doesn't
If only that were true, I'd get a lot more done! I just don't sleep at 'normal' times...
I know Leon works almost completely 'opposite' hours to me. ;)
There are probably only a couple of hours during the day, where we overlap. ;D ;D
Cheers - Phil :)
Techno II you don't count !
you live in Wales that's a different time zone from the rest of the planet !!! ;D
never mind Smoggy Land.
regards
Sean
Careful the Welsh get very sensitive
Hey.......We're almost up to 1990 now ! ;)
I'd have to admit I much prefer rural Wales...Especially the pace of life.....I couldn't bear to go back to living in, or near, a town or city !!! That'd drive me even more insane than I am now....(As much as it would upset those who prefer the towns/cities, to come and live somewhere as quiet as Techno Towers.)
There's nothing I REALLY feel like we miss out on.....Except mobile phone signals. =).....Those are hopeless....I mean..we've go line of sight to a very tall mast on the other side of the 'valley', about 1,000 yards/metres away....No signal at the bottom of our drive, AT ALL.
Why one of the mobile 'providers' doesn't stick a 'dish' on that is beyond me.....It could cover a huge area.
Faster interweb would be nice.....But I can live with what we get. :)
Cheers - Contented of Wales. ;)
My body clock still seems to function as if I was still working, with me waking up on average around 4.30am, even though I've been 'retired' for over 6 months now :'(.
As for rural living, it is a dream, but we're lucky where we live as we have open countryside on our doorstep, yet have the benefits of Bristol too. So now I don't have to drive anywhere really, other than for some items for the weekly shop. If it wasn't for having to go to Edinburgh to pick and drop pff our daughter at Uni, we wouldn't have used a tank of petrol since lockdown!
I know what you mean Techno! I was brought up in Smoggy :o
left in 1990 to join the Army.
settled in the valleys when I left Army in 2014 (just above Neath)
now I live in Hohenfels, Bavaria surrounded by wild Bavarian forests. (Nuremberg 40 mins away, Regensburg 30 Mins away)
I much prefer the countryside to city life.
Regards
Sean
I'm a city boy through and through now. Did my bit of rural living as a teen, never again!
As to sleep patterns in retirement, I used to complain that work forced me to go to sleep when other people were tired and get up when they felt refreshed. I averaged somewhere around 6 hours sleep a night and felt shattered all the time. Now I go to bed between two and four and get a solid seven and a half to eight and a half hours sleep and feel much better for it. On odd occasions I go "full vampire" and sleep all day after being awake all night.
Also, every day is now Saturday. Haven't been to church. Haven't been to work. Must be Saturday! :D
Country mouse here. Tried City mouse life. Now small town mouse, but would love to be country mouse again.
Quote from: Ithoriel on 21 October 2020, 06:29:51 PM
As to sleep patterns in retirement, I used to complain that work forced me to go to sleep when other people were tired and get up when they felt refreshed. I averaged somewhere around 6 hours sleep a night and felt shattered all the time. Now I go to bed between two and four and get a solid seven and a half to eight and a half hours sleep and feel much better for it. On odd occasions I go "full vampire" and sleep all day after being awake all night.
That all sounds very familiar, have you ever heard of this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delayed_sleep_phase_disorder We may have something in common...
Quote from: Leon on 21 October 2020, 11:23:28 PM
That all sounds very familiar, have you ever heard of this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delayed_sleep_phase_disorder We may have something in common...
I have been assured in the past, by one of my doctors, that it is "not a real thing." I think he was one breath away from suggesting cold showers and a bracing cross country run.
Quote from: Ithoriel on 22 October 2020, 01:01:32 AM
I have been assured in the past, by one of my doctors, that it is "not a real thing." I think he was one breath away from suggesting cold showers and a bracing cross country run.
That sounds sadly familiar as well, it took me 16 years to get a proper diagnosis from a sleep specialist. There isn't a cure for it unfortunately, but at least now I know why I've been tired for nearly 2 decades.
Would moving to a different part of the world (i.e., timezone) help?
Says he who can't get to sleep at 4.50 am and so is surfing the web instead.
I'm beginning to wonder whether the fact that I wake up umpteen bloody times during the night, is a 'throwback' to the time I needed to go and have a pee every hour. (Before I got my prostate scraped/reduced.)
I get a decent, uninterrupted, seven hour sleep maybe once a month. I don't feel tired when I get up, but come 9 or 10 in the evening I'm usually shattered.
Cheers - Phil
Quote from: Westmarcher on 22 October 2020, 03:55:15 AM
Would moving to a different part of the world (i.e., timezone) help?
Says he who can't get to sleep at 4.50 am and so is surfing the web instead.
I can fall asleep almost anywhere, anytime when it's light and struggle to sleep when it's dark. Alas, no time zone has it's daytime when it's dark :)
I think somewhere in my brain there must be a bit that's been fitted backwards :D
The only time it came in handy was university .... sadly, not in burning the midnight oil over my textbooks but literally partying 'til the sun rose :)
Quote from: Westmarcher on 22 October 2020, 03:55:15 AM
Would moving to a different part of the world (i.e., timezone) help?
Says he who can't get to sleep at 4.50 am and so is surfing the web instead.
I'm afraid not. In normal years I spend up to three months over winter in Australia, with my son and his family. Jet lag is not an issue if you get a flight that arrives around 22:00. You arrive shattered after 24hrs without proper sleep and just crash until the next morning. The irregular sleep pattern soon kicks in again, but at least you can sit outside on the decking with a bottle of something red from the Yarra Valley and watch the moths and the occasional prowling Huntsman.
Quote from: Ithoriel on 22 October 2020, 08:38:17 AM
I can fall asleep almost anywhere, anytime when it's light and struggle to sleep when it's dark. Alas, no time zone has it's daytime when it's dark :)
I think somewhere in my brain there must be a bit that's been fitted backwards :D
The only time it came in handy was university .... sadly, not in burning the midnight oil over my textbooks but literally partying 'til the sun rose :)
I have AD/HD, and have very hard time trying to keep up with the normal sleep rhythm. Also when I have hard time falling asleep, I need to go full spasm mode with my feet to relieve some of the energy I have.
There is a vast amount of neurological stuff that affect the sleep I wager. And I need to take my dose of amphetamine medicine on work days to actually "wake up" and be effective little soldier.
It annoys me that I cant practice my craft in the late hours, because the police will come ask for my tax number.
Interesting how many people in the field/hobby have sleep issues.
Quote from: Leon on 22 October 2020, 01:35:43 AM
That sounds sadly familiar as well, it took me 16 years to get a proper diagnosis from a sleep specialist. There isn't a cure for it unfortunately, but at least now I know why I've been tired for nearly 2 decades.
I've been much the same all my life. Never bothered with diagnosis, and have managed to train myself over the years to go to sleep at "normal" times most of the time, especially when working, but any minor disruption can throw it off. When I'm off work for a stretch it'll start to creep later then takes a week or two to resettle when back. My wife, on the other hand, will happily go to bed at 9 pm and sleep through until morning.
If I ever get exhausted enough to fall asleep before midnight I'll likely wake up after a couple of hours then not get properly back to sleep all night. Keeping a regular routine does help to get 5 or 6 hours most nights, but still get plenty of restless nights. On the plus side you learn how to deal with being tired a lot, which I'm hoping will come in useful if/when kids come along...
Quote from: Ithoriel on 22 October 2020, 08:38:17 AM
The only time it came in handy was university .... sadly, not in burning the midnight oil over my textbooks but literally partying 'til the sun rose :)
In uni, especially final year, I was pretty much nocturnal. Most of the classes were in the afternoon (and the morning ones weren't important enough to go to anyway) so would work on my dissertation from 8pm to 2am or so when I was most productive then not go to sleep until maybe 6am and wake up around midday. That was probably a little extreme. I found my best sleep pattern was going to sleep around 4am and waking around 10 or 11am. Unfortunatly that doesn't really fit with "normal life".
Quote from: Noktu on 23 October 2020, 11:37:39 AM
It annoys me that I cant practice my craft in the late hours, because the police will come ask for my tax number.
Yes the walls in my house have all the noise canceling ability of tissue paper, so even quiet activities (like painting) can make enough of a clatter to be disruptive at night, so not really fair to do it after my wife's in bed. But yes, I imagine if you started up power saws and hammering at 3am and the like might cause your neighbours some consternation. Maybe building yourself a soundproofed workshop would be a good investment?
Quote from: mmcv on 23 October 2020, 03:07:59 PM
Interesting how many people in the field/hobby have sleep issues.
It is, isn't it ? :-......Quite 'fascinating', in a way.
At this current time, I don't remotely suppose that it's just ourselves (in the miniature figures/games hobby) that are suffering from this.
Unlike some of our very good friends here....I can't 'claim' that I get bothered by any extraneous noises at night. It's quiet as the grave overnight.....So why do I wake up at silly times, during the night ?
Cheers - Phil :)
Quote from: mmcv on 23 October 2020, 03:07:59 PM
In uni, especially final year, I was pretty much nocturnal. Most of the classes were in the afternoon (and the morning ones weren't important enough to go to anyway) so would work on my dissertation from 8pm to 2am or so when I was most productive then not go to sleep until maybe 6am and wake up around midday. That was probably a little extreme. I found my best sleep pattern was going to sleep around 4am and waking around 10 or 11am. Unfortunatly that doesn't really fit with "normal life".
I'm almost exactly the same, my most productive work time is through until around 2/3am most nights and then I'll sleep 5am-midday roughly. I can do the earlier mornings from time to time (when we're away at a show for example) but they take 3-4 days to recover from usually. As you say, this doesn't fit with a traditional routine though and most folks over the years just assume I'm lazy, which is difficult.
Quote from: mmcv on 23 October 2020, 03:07:59 PM
Yes the walls in my house have all the noise canceling ability of tissue paper, so even quiet activities (like painting) can make enough of a clatter to be disruptive at night, so not really fair to do it after my wife's in bed. But yes, I imagine if you started up power saws and hammering at 3am and the like might cause your neighbours some consternation. Maybe building yourself a soundproofed workshop would be a good investment?
I'm in a four-to-a-block maisonette where side-to-side soundproofing is fairly good but there is absolutely no sound deadening up-and-down. I stick in ear-plugs every night, only way to get a reasonable amount of sleep. I use headphones when on the PC after about 8pm since it's in my bedroom and directly below the bedroom of the two little girls upstairs.
The joys of communal living :)
Quote from: Leon on 23 October 2020, 03:34:06 PM
I'm almost exactly the same, my most productive work time is through until around 2/3am most nights and then I'll sleep 5am-midday roughly. I can do the earlier mornings from time to time (when we're away at a show for example) but they take 3-4 days to recover from usually. As you say, this doesn't fit with a traditional routine though and most folks over the years just assume I'm lazy, which is difficult.
Yeah, I would have got that at times too, especially when younger, when in reality I was likely sleeping less time than they were, but just because it was at a time they were awake they took it as laziness. I do wonder how much comes down to nature vs nurture. My family would all tend towards going to bed later than "average" (assuming average is around 10-11pm) and even at a young age I can remember having a hard time getting to sleep and sitting up late reading (and putting a towel along the bottom of the door so my parents wouldn't see the light underneath it when I was supposed to be sleeping 😂).
Quote from: Techno II on 23 October 2020, 03:27:50 PM
Unlike some of our very good friends here....I can't 'claim' that I get bothered by any extraneous noises at night. It's quiet as the grave overnight.....So why do I wake up at silly times, during the night ?
You're probably right about it being a throwback if your body got into the habit of it over a long period. Though do you have any breathing issues? That can sometimes cause people to wake themselves snoring or with apnea. Stress and anxiety can always affect sleep too, even subconsciously if there's things on your mind. I'm generally a pretty relaxed person, but do notice that I tend to be a bit more restless during the night at stressful times, even if I'm not consciously feeling particularly worried or stressed out. Must manifest in dreams and the like.
Quote from: Ithoriel on 23 October 2020, 04:17:23 PM
I'm in a four-to-a-block maisonette where side-to-side soundproofing is fairly good but there is absolutely no sound deadening up-and-down. I stick in ear-plugs every night, only way to get a reasonable amount of sleep. I use headphones when on the PC after about 8pm since it's in my bedroom and directly below the bedroom of the two little girls upstairs.
The joys of communal living :)
We've taken to having fans going for white noise at night to try and damp the neighbour sounds, though getting a bit cold for it. All being well we'll be moving house in a few months, hopefully, to somewhere a bit quieter. Not quite Techno Towers remote, but a little out of the Big Smoke anyway.
Quote from: mmcv on 23 October 2020, 04:38:24 PM
You're probably right about it being a throwback if your body got into the habit of it over a long period. Though do you have any breathing issues? That can sometimes cause people to wake themselves snoring or with apnea. Stress and anxiety can always affect sleep too, even subconsciously if there's things on your mind. I'm generally a pretty relaxed person, but do notice that I tend to be a bit more restless during the night at stressful times, even if I'm not consciously feeling particularly worried or stressed out. Must manifest in dreams and the like.
We've taken to having fans going for white noise at night to try and damp the neighbour sounds, though getting a bit cold for it. All being well we'll be moving house in a few months, hopefully, to somewhere a bit quieter. Not quite Techno Towers remote, but a little out of the Big Smoke anyway.
Breathing issues... Not what I'd think of that as a serious issue, Matthew. I DO suffer from
very slight asthmatic problems.
Stress....Yeah....But I've always been like that... I've said it before....If I haven't got anything to worry about....I'll worry about what I'm missing, ;D
On one of the numerous (usual) occasions when I've woken up at stupid o'clock in the morning, and switched the radio on, I heard 'the fact' that our ancestors woke in the early morning...did some chores....and then went back to sleep.
Cheers - Phil (So glad it's Saturday tomorrow. ;D ;D...Even tho' Wales is in complete 'lock-down' as of 20 minutes ago......I've got all of my favourite crisps I need to last me for a week or more.)
I do remember reading an article some time ago that suggested sleeping through the night is quite a new thing. Evidence suggests that before modern times people would go to bed at night fall then get up again in the middle of the night (and not just individuals, whole families) and people would go out visiting neighbours, do jobs etc then after a couple of hours go back to bed until sun rise.
Quote from: Matt J on 23 October 2020, 08:04:10 PM
I do remember reading an article some time ago that suggested sleeping through the night is quite a new thing. Evidence suggests that before modern times people would go to bed at night fall then get up again in the middle of the night (and not just individuals, whole families) and people would go out visiting neighbours, do jobs etc then after a couple of hours go back to bed until sun rise.
Yes I've read similar accounts, particularly before industrialisation. And in certain native tribes in the likes of the Amazon it would be common to sleep in short shifts for safety. Certainly two shorter sleeps a night rather than one long one seems to be more common in most of human history.
I didn't realise that the clocks had gone back for 3 days until I went for an eye test and was an hour early! ;D
OOOPS !! ;D ;D ;D
I always get an extra warning when the clocks are about to change......For some reason (as I've mentioned before) the PC changes 'the hour' a day or two before the actual event.
Cheers - Phil
Quote from: Heedless Horseman on 30 October 2020, 06:09:31 AM
I didn't realise that the clocks had gone back for 3 days until I went for an eye test and was an hour early! ;D
I would of put it down to not being able to read the clock ;D
Quote from: Techno II on 30 October 2020, 07:32:12 AM
OOOPS !! ;D ;D ;D
I always get an extra warning when the clocks are about to change......For some reason (as I've mentioned before) the PC changes 'the hour' a day or two before the actual event.
Cheers - Phil
Techno its not giving you a few days notice its just 363 days late :D
regards
Sean
You sure it's not Welsh Mean Time ?
As I work shifts I have to adjust my sleep pattern regularly. Fortunately I seem to be able to sleep more or less anywhere and anytime. It does take a day or two to get used to nights, but once I am in "night mode" I could go on for ages like that.
When I am not working I often wake up middle of the night (as does Mrs Orcs) and we often have a cuppa (no euphemisms are involved in this sentence) at 3 am and read our books.
I can't wait until I retire when I can stay up when I want and sleep when I want .
Quote from: sean66 on 30 October 2020, 07:36:48 AM
I would of put it down to not being able to read the clock ;D
Ha Ha! ;D
Quote from: Orcs on 30 October 2020, 10:03:47 AM
I can't wait until I retire when I can stay up when I want and sleep when I want .
Just hang on to those thoughts, Orcs! ;) ;D
If you want to follow that up Orcs, don't get a dog.
Or.....Get a place in the countryside, where you don't have to take them for a walk. ;)
I simply open the back door, and tell the 4 Labs to 'bog off'......They can't get anywhere dangerous (Like the road) and just go out....have a bimble around....and then come back after about a quarter of an hour.
I don't even have to monitor the door. Two of the gits have taught themselves how to use a door handle.......One of the oiks can even open the door inwards. This causes endless amusement when we have caller, who's never met the dogs.
There will be Sam trying to pull the door open, and the 'visitor' desperately trying to pull the handle back up to stop the dogs getting at him/her. ;D ;D ;D
Cheers - Phil :)
Quote from: Techno II on 31 October 2020, 10:29:49 AM
Or.....Get a place in the countryside, where you don't have to take them for a walk. ;)
I simply open the back door, and tell the 4 Labs to 'bog off'......They can't get anywhere dangerous (Like the road) and just go out....have a bimble around....and then come back after about a quarter of an hour.
I don't even have to monitor the door. Two of the gits have taught themselves how to use a door handle.......One of the oiks can even open the door inwards. This causes endless amusement when we have caller, who's never met the dogs.
There will be Sam trying to pull the door open, and the 'visitor' desperately trying to pull the handle back up to stop the dogs getting at him/her. ;D ;D ;D
Cheers - Phil :)
;D ;D ;D our dog knows how to work door handles too but he's just a tad too small to reach them with any strength without a leap, so runs and jumps at them for a bit and if he's no luck comes and gives you "the look".
Quote from: Leman on 31 October 2020, 09:14:55 AM
If you want to follow that up Orcs, don't get a dog.
Ours isn't a morning dog thankfully, takes his time getting up in the morning after we do, even if we've been a little later getting up than normal. So no issues with irregular patterns. Having a dog does force you to leave the house on occasion, for fresh air, which I'm assured is a "good thing".
I'd have to say that 'me and Von' are exceeding lucky that we 'opperate' at totally different times of the day, as far as all the animals are concerned
There are probably only two hours, out of twenty four when we're both in the land of nod.
The labs don't know how lucky they are.....The oiks ! ;D
Cheers - Phil :)
Quote from: Heedless Horseman on 31 October 2020, 02:11:56 AM
Just hang on to those thoughts, Orcs! ;) ;D
Yep 425 shifts to go. :) (provided the Bl**dy management don't mess around with the shift pattern)
Segmented sleep
https://www.webmd.com/sleep-disorders/features/what-is-segmented-sleep