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Title: US Tank Destroyer Company; M18 Hellcat
Post by: MSawyer on 08 October 2020, 11:26:35 PM
For a new 10mm project, I was thinking making a US Tank Destroyer (TD) company equipped with the M18 Hellcat. Been reading about TD battalion and company organization in Casemate Publishing's book US Army Vehicle Markings 1944, and according to this a TD company would be fitted with:


As you can see this will be a bit of a expensive project, but also an interesting one. Might be fun to do a battle between the TD company+a company of supporting US infantry, and a an ad-hoc Kampgroupe of German panzers and infantry. Let me know if there anything I missed any equipment in the organization, as comment and constructive criticism is welcome. :D
Title: Re: US Tank Destroyer Company; M18 Hellcat
Post by: fred. on 09 October 2020, 06:36:56 AM
Sounds cool, I have built a lot of my British forces based on TOE - and I find it good from both the research point of view, and seeing what forces where actually fielded together rather, than the mix and match gamers usually take.

You could build it in platoons, if you want to keep the costs down. Although with postage to the US, you might be better getting it all in one go.
Title: Re: US Tank Destroyer Company; M18 Hellcat
Post by: Lord Kermit of Birkenhead on 09 October 2020, 06:48:21 AM
Your TOE is good. TD's didnt normnally fight above company level, and rember to keep moving those Hellcats are very thin.
Title: Re: US Tank Destroyer Company; M18 Hellcat
Post by: MSawyer on 09 October 2020, 03:19:21 PM
Quote from: ianrs54 on 09 October 2020, 06:48:21 AM
Your TOE is good. TD's didnt normnally fight above company level, and rember to keep moving those Hellcats are very thin.

Thanks! And yes, Shoot and Scoot!  ;)
Title: Re: US Tank Destroyer Company; M18 Hellcat
Post by: Scorpio_Rocks on 09 October 2020, 03:55:59 PM
To save (a little) just depict the 3 "fighting" platoons and ignore the HQ and Maintenance Platoon.

This brings you down to 3x Jeeps, 6x M8/M20 and 12x M18.

Nice depiction here:
(http://www.bensavelkoul.nl/Tank_Battalion.jpg)
Title: Re: US Tank Destroyer Company; M18 Hellcat
Post by: MSawyer on 09 October 2020, 03:59:11 PM
Quote from: Scorpio_Rocks on 09 October 2020, 03:55:59 PM
To save (a little) just depict the 3 "fighting" platoons and ignore the HQ and Maintenance Platoon.

This brings you down to 3x Jeeps, 6x M8/M20 and 12x M18.

Nice depiction here:
(http://www.bensavelkoul.nl/Tank_Battalion.jpg)

Thanks for the advice! I think I might keep C2 and Maintenance though for added realism.
Title: Re: US Tank Destroyer Company; M18 Hellcat
Post by: Lord Kermit of Birkenhead on 10 October 2020, 07:07:39 AM
Depends on the rules you wnat to use. If using Battlegroup you will need the Duce and a half to re-supply your ammunition. Not that I use the supply rules in there myself.
Title: Re: US Tank Destroyer Company; M18 Hellcat
Post by: MSawyer on 10 October 2020, 08:24:20 PM
Quote from: ianrs54 on 10 October 2020, 07:07:39 AM
Depends on the rules you wnat to use. If using Battlegroup you will need the Duce and a half to re-supply your ammunition. Not that I use the supply rules in there myself.

Interesting, do HQ units come into play in Battlegroup?
Title: Re: US Tank Destroyer Company; M18 Hellcat
Post by: Lord Kermit of Birkenhead on 11 October 2020, 08:09:14 AM
Yes - as officers, comand and control is via number of orders. You add 1 per officer and 2 for senior officer, and add the roll off 1, 2 or 3 D6 depending on the game size.
Title: Re: US Tank Destroyer Company; M18 Hellcat
Post by: MSawyer on 11 October 2020, 03:38:56 PM
Quote from: ianrs54 on 11 October 2020, 08:09:14 AM
Yes - as officers, comand and control is via number of orders. You add 1 per officer and 2 for senior officer, and add the roll off 1, 2 or 3 D6 depending on the game size.

Nice, sounds like a game I can get into. :)
Title: Re: US Tank Destroyer Company; M18 Hellcat
Post by: flamingpig0 on 11 October 2020, 03:44:58 PM
Quote from: ianrs54 on 10 October 2020, 07:07:39 AM
Depends on the rules you wnat to use. If using Battlegroup you will need the Duce and a half to re-supply your ammunition. Not that I use the supply rules in there myself.

I was rather put off the rules by having to keep separate records for AP and He rounds for each  gun armed vehicle
Title: Re: US Tank Destroyer Company; M18 Hellcat
Post by: Lord Kermit of Birkenhead on 12 October 2020, 05:53:49 AM
Most players in our club ignore that rule.
Title: Re: US Tank Destroyer Company; M18 Hellcat
Post by: flamingpig0 on 06 December 2020, 03:04:48 PM
Quote from: ianrs54 on 12 October 2020, 05:53:49 AM
Most players in our club ignore that rule.

Thank God - it is real put off