I think I read somewhere that "Cold War" infantry may possibly be on the workbench, with a release date by the end of the year.
Not sure if that is true, or just a rumor, so feel free to nuke this post if that is unfounded.
Is there a possible release date, and list of which armies' troops will be forthcoming, first?
I would love to see some though, ASAP. Looking for American, British, Soviet, East German, West German, and Danish troops. Swedes would be a nice bonus too.
For the Americans and West Germans, preferably with troops wearing the M-1 helmet, as opposed to those that got the "Fritz" helmets at the very end of the Cold War, and/or afterwards.
The wetsern Europeans except Bundeswhewre can be made from the Falklands Argentiens as they mostly used FAL and MAG. ATGW would be difficult at the moment, nom DRagon. As noted in another thread, and risking a ban by Leon, the PSC stuff is compatable although the material seems to dislike superglue and putting radio anntena on the vehicles is just about impossible.
But yes wew do need proper pewter figures anbd vehicles asap.....
We'd like to get started on these before the end of the year but things are a little difficult to predict in the current climate. Initial plans would be Americans, Soviets and West Germans, plus Egyptians, Israelis and Syrians for Yom Kippur.
Quote from: Leon on 27 September 2020, 10:33:02 PM
We'd like to get started on these before the end of the year but things are a little difficult to predict in the current climate. Initial plans would be Americans, Soviets and West Germans, plus Egyptians, Israelis and Syrians for Yom Kippur.
Pendraken Rumour Control put a line of tracer out on these new ranges some months ago. You will note Leon's prudent caveat regarding the current climate. Covid lockdown stimulated a hobby bonanza in terms of summer sales. Will that level of disposable income still be availabe for the winter? Add uncertainity around Brexit/exports and raw material alloy import.
Cold War is unique as a war that didn't happen. Yet we know from proxy wars how the equiptment would perform. Playable rules are out there. The question if a war game market exists for white metal as already been answered by Minifigs, Timecast and the new boy on the block - Red3.
From a Pendreken perspective, we already have British and NATO Falklands range, plus a wide range of AFVs/MBTs. 17 new codes would give us Soviet Motor Rifles. Any votes?
Maybe we could look at a Non-Kickstarter.
that way we would generate some of the up front funds to help Pendraken and Leon start the range off.
As has been discussed before the Falklands British could cover BAOR (I know people say they are in winter gear but trust me the North west German Plain is cold (as an example -1 here this morning near Nuremberg))
all that would need to be sculpted first I think would be a range of Soviet infantry (generic for most Warsaw Pact Motor Rifle infantry, these were also used as Heli borne assault troops)
regards
Sean
Americans can be done with the Vietnam set, though I'd like to see some more poses of that range, e.g. M60 gunner prone and firing, guy running with M-16, guy kneeling and firing M-16, LAW firing, Dragon firing, etc.. 106mm Recoilless Rifle Team firing, as well as a TOW team too.
West Germans look pretty much the same, but need the G-3 rifle, and the MG3 MG, as well as the PzFst 44. Milan team for the Germans - can probably be adapted from the British Milan team.
Gonna need Soviets though. Perhaps the old Soviet WWII figs with AKs and RPGs might work for them in this scale?
Surely, minor changes needed, if any, other than the weapons.
Quote from: Mako on 28 September 2020, 03:47:00 PM
Americans can be done with the Vietnam set, though I'd like to see some more poses of that range, e.g. M60 gunner prone and firing, guy running with M-16, guy kneeling and firing M-16, LAW firing, Dragon firing, etc.. 106mm Recoilless Rifle Team firing, as well as a TOW team too.
West Germans look pretty much the same, but need the G-3 rifle, and the MG3 MG, as well as the PzFst 44. Milan team for the Germans - can probably be adapted from the British Milan team.
Gonna need Soviets though. Perhaps the old Soviet WWII figs with AKs and RPGs might work for them in this scale?
Surely, minor changes needed, if any, other than the weapons.
Keep adding your votes. Its what Leon uses as a rough demand barometer. :)
When they get released (not if) they will be Techno's finest. The Soviet's disgarded the Gymnastjerka in 1970. By 1975 they had a neat one piece mono suit in summer cammo. That dress order allows plenty of proxy.
They are coming. Red Dawn is coming!
When we say "Cold War", when do we mean? It could be any time between 1945 and 1991.
I'm guessing we're talking 1980s? I'd like to re-read 1984 by Brig Hackett.
We'd need a FV432, maybe an Abbott, but there a lot of the Brits that can be done with the Falklands range.
Soviets 1969
(http://vedomstva-uniforma.ru/forma1969/ris62.jpg)http://vedomstva-uniforma.ru/forma1969/1969.html (http://vedomstva-uniforma.ru/forma1969/1969.html)
Soviets 1973
(http://vedomstva-uniforma.ru/forma1973/ris65.jpg)http://vedomstva-uniforma.ru/forma1973/1973.html#11 (http://vedomstva-uniforma.ru/forma1973/1973.html#11)
Soviets 1988
(http://vedomstva-uniforma.ru/forma1988/ris68.jpg)http://vedomstva-uniforma.ru/forma1988/1988.html (http://vedomstva-uniforma.ru/forma1988/1988.html)
For the Soviets and other Cold War troops, I'm interested in them from the 1950s - 1980s, with special interest in the 1960s, 1970s, and 1980s.
Could use some Cold War Danes and Swedes too, from 1970s and later.
Danes - Cent 5 and 5/2 so they are covered using Argentines, transport M113. They alos have M41s ? I think. May also have some M10 Achillies in service til the 80's
In discussion with Leon some months ago, we were minded to pitch the Soviet figures (Motor Rifles) in the post 1971 Summer Service Dress and/or the one piece mono summer suit in skeleton order which would periodise them as late 70s-early 80s to compliment existing Brits/NATO proxy
Weapons would include AK74 and RPD. At 1/150 scale the difference between the AK47 and the AK74 are negligible. The monosuit would lend to a wide range of WP and Third World proxy. They would also have Sagger, RPG7, and Vasikek 82.
Time Cast & Red 3 are mid 1980s. I would not recommend doing early pre-1970 Cold War figures , as the Soviet uniform was the WW2 Gymnastjerka.
It's prety difficult to distinguish between an AK47 and 74 in real life ! Would need BMP1 and BMP2 as well as T-64A and T-72 in various gusies.
Just get the votes in for the figures you want. Leon will make the call if the outlay is a viable speculation at this very uncertain economic time.
I have raised my eyebrows at a few of the AFVs/MTBs released. How many game with French modern vehicles ? Apart from the ubiquitous Panhard AML.
I would have stuck with a core range of UK, US, Soviet and West German. Just saying. :)
Quote from: Sunray on 30 September 2020, 01:42:32 PM
I would have stuck with a core range of UK, US, Soviet and West German. Just saying. :)
And Swedish . . .
There or were quite a few French armies in Comps. cause the AMX-30 is a baked bean tin you could get lots of them. There are also quite a few export ones as well, Venezula have a fair few. The VTT is also relativly heavily exported - the Dutch for one, so dont discount French stuff. The French would need another infantry figure though, still in M1 helmet but with bullpup weapons.
Vehicles - I suspect we would need (some we have) :-
USSR - T54/5 and upgrades, BTR50/60/7080, T62, T64A, T72 and possibly a T80, SAU122. Tanks should have upgrades. For Czechs and Poles the various Skots an the Hungarian FuG.
NATO - Leo 1, with 3turrets, 1, 1A3 and 1A1, M60A1 and A3, m48A3, M48A5, M47 (Italy. Portugal and Spain) AIFV(the Dutch/Belguim uprgaed M113) M113 and the varients, Chefitain, Chefitain Stillbrew*, Chally 1, FV432 and varients (NOT FORGETTING Peak turret), Ferret, Scimitar, Scorpion, Striker, Sultan, Spartan.
There are more - the Huskey/Cougar would be nice as well, and an open BTR60 would be welcomed.
* the Stillbrew upgrade has different hull and turret, although the hull approximates to a Chally 1
Cheers IanS :-bd
Quote from: ianrs54 on 30 September 2020, 03:18:01 PM
There or were quite a few French armies in Comps. cause the AMX-30 is a baked bean tin you could get lots of them. There are also quite a few export ones as well, Venezula have a fair few. The VTT is also relativly heavily exported - the Dutch for one, so dont discount French stuff. The French would need another infantry figure though, still in M1 helmet but with bullpup weapons.
Cheers IanS :-bd
Ian - having observed the French Army - up close and personal - their helmet for most of the post war period was the Modele 51 - with a very distinctive straight rim, this was replaced by the Modele1978 -You also find it with the Lebanese Army and with various militia groups. If they have the "bugle gun", FAMAS , it will be the 1978 helmet as both were issued in that year.
Not a lot of votes for Cold War Soviets. Techno's right- we will stick with fantasy ranges.
When you say 'votes' - is there actually somewhere to vote - or is it just posting here?
If the latter -I'd like to see some Cold War Soviets -
but then I'd like quite a lot more variety of modern(ish) stuf as well:
African proxy cold wars
Armed European civilians for various terrorist type actions
Brits in street patrol gear - Op Banner and the like
Figures and kit for Sovs in Afghanistan
French for Chad and Mali interventions
and no doubt lots more if you give me a minute
Perhaps even more so now QRF are selling off their modern 15mm stuff.
Sorry, yes. - votes for a specific range are logged on the request thread.
I did suggest to Leon long long ago that Pendraken could do a lot worse than follow Peter Pig AK47 range pattern. But I recognise that it is Leon's trainset. He takes the risks and makes the outlay.
No, the genre for 10mm metal seems to be classical 1980s Cold War. We now have Timecast and Red3 well established.
The Falklands Brits and Argies figures are good from 1958 onwards. The Charlie G came in around 1967. Prior to that you need the Bazooka crew from Korean range Royal Marines. Vigilant MCLOS are not hard to scratch build.
The change in Soviet uniform in 1971 steered the period plan towards the 1970s. A few years earlier than the "rival" figures. As Ian has remarked, there are a few vehicles needed to make a contact playable.
I'd prefer to see the Belgian WW2 range completed before embarking on a Cold War range. No interest here in anything post 1940, or fantasy.
I'm up for a 1984 series.
Quote from: fsn on 03 October 2020, 07:11:40 AM
I'm up for a 1984 series.
Me too!
(https://i.imgur.com/ovA8MBx.jpg)
Quote from: Ben Waterhouse on 03 October 2020, 08:09:50 AM
Me too!
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Yeah! I get that. There is a Cold War in minature replay longing amongst BAOR vets. It is because it was the ONE we trained for? All those 1:1 scale wargames on the Notrh German Plain. The absence of death and caranage- so its fond memories of soldering devoid of PTSD - and the desire to see - on tabletop - how long our superior kit and professionalism would hold against the WP hords.
The Timecast Cold War buildings range provide 1st class well researched senics - Barrie even did a keller crawl around Paderborn to get it right.
If its the 1980s we need a few Smokey Joes - with their 2 stroke Laylands betraying our harbours. :)
Typing this reminded me of how the MBT rules changed with thermal imaging - the Battle of 73 easting etc -
Yes it would be good to see the 10mm cold war modern ranges being expanded (More Brits, Soviets & NVA (East German) allies at least).
1. What size of game would you see yourselves playing with them? - Platoon, company or battalion level actions?
2. What would your preferred rules be to game this period?
Quote from: pierre the shy on 03 October 2020, 09:30:23 AM
Yes it would be good to see the 10mm cold war modern ranges being expanded (More Brits, Soviets & NVA (East German) allies at least).
1. What size of game would you see yourselves playing with them? - Platoon, company or battalion level actions?
2. What would your preferred rules be to game this period?
Good questions! The 10mm limits the size of game to a glorified skermish. The initial "contact" for Red forces heading West. With NATO deployed in a defence in depth, 0R - an advance to contact .
My own personal preference is an attack by Soviet Airborne. They seize a bridge (a 1/300 reduntant Arnhem has been used in this very role) -or a key cross roads "Bastogne type" town.
The Soviet ASU 57 and ASU 85 are in the Pendraken pipeline. And NATO forces have to shift them before the main WP breaks through. It also allows play for NATO reserve types.
"There is a Cold War in minature replay longing amongst BAOR vets." Not by this one!
Quote from: Sunray on 03 October 2020, 09:58:07 AM
Good questions! The 10mm limits the size of game to a glorified skermish. The initial "contact" for Red forces heading West. With NATO deployed in a defence in depth, 0R - an advance to contact .
My own personal preference is an attack by Soviet Airborne. They seize a bridge (a 1/300 reduntant Arnhem has been used in this very role) -or a key cross roads "Bastogne type" town.
The Soviet ASU 57 and ASU 85 are in the Pendraken pipeline. And NATO forces have to shift them before the main WP breaks through. It also allows play for NATO reserve types.
As you're ex-BAOR Sunray you may have seen this 1983 training film about a British bridge demolition guard.....like so many other things someone posted it to youtube:
It would be a very manageble scenario to game....just watch out for those sneaky Spetznaz frogmen and suspiscous "refugees" driving red cars trying to tamper with your explosives.
Quote from: pierre the shy on 03 October 2020, 09:30:23 AM
Yes it would be good to see the 10mm cold war modern ranges being expanded (More Brits, Soviets & NVA (East German) allies at least).
1. What size of game would you see yourselves playing with them? - Platoon, company or battalion level actions?
2. What would your preferred rules be to game this period?
For something in this period, it would be platoon to company size (1:1). As for rules - well I haven't written them yet.
Quote from: fsn on 04 October 2020, 08:11:27 AM
As for rules - well I haven't written them yet.
But I have several times ! :P
Quote from: pierre the shy on 04 October 2020, 02:53:17 AM
As you're ex-BAOR Sunray you may have seen this 1983 training film about a British bridge demolition guard.....like so many other things someone posted it to youtube:
It would be a very manageble scenario to game....just watch out for those sneaky Spetznaz frogmen and suspiscous "refugees" driving red cars trying to tamper with your explosives.
WoW !!! I believe I first watched this "movie" at Sennelager back in the last century. Thank you very much for posting! As you say its a very manageable game- good demo game with the movie on a wide screen?
Now the table quiz. Brigadier and Monkeys apart - a few 1980s badges were on view. For younger members, I have added the contempoary nicknames and clues
1. Known as the "Lost 6th" after amalgamation - town of origion/association English spelling is with an "E" and not an "I"
2. Doreen's Ever Ready Rifles - where a battery is not 4 guns, and "charging" is not advancing.
3. The Greek Guards ? Or - those poor buggers tasked with guarding the Greek?
Have fun. :)
Glad to be of service.....there's 50+ more on this youtube playlist:
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL1201241573903DAF
Cheers
I am really interested in East Germany, so I'll stick my hand up for some East German infantry. The Soviet range of vehicles will cover the East German support.