Would be great to see casualty packs added to the Falklands range (for use as status markers).
Also bumping prior requests for a Civilian Tractor & Trailer (Pucara rocket pod could be optional part?)
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Tractor, yes.
Puncara rocket, no, unless it's strapped a puncara
Nice idea, after all Phil does very little !
Certainly not vehicles. :D........Hate making those....Haven't done any real straight line work for over 10 years.
If there's a call for casualties...and Leon wants me to do some...I've worked out a pose that I hope folk wouldn't object to, as I know a lot of gamers don't really like using a model representing a badly wounded/dead figure.
It's very strange....I'm more than happy to make/convert casualties pre 1900, but more 'modern figures' make me feel a little bit uncomfortable. :-\
Cheers - Phil :)
Quote from: Techno on 22 August 2020, 07:09:09 AM
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It's very strange....I'm more than happy to make/convert casualties pre 1900, but more 'modern figures' make me feel a little bit uncomfortable. :-\
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I have a similar perspective on periods I'll play, anything after the 1980s makes me feel a little bit uncomfortable
I don't have an issue with others playing more recent conflicts but they are not for me
Quote from: Techno on 22 August 2020, 07:09:09 AM
It's very strange....I'm more than happy to make/convert casualties pre 1900, but more 'modern figures' make me feel a little bit uncomfortable. :-\
Cheers - Phil :)
I feel the same way about even playing current modern battles. I'm uncomfortable playing a conflict that is currently or recently been fought. If I ever build a modern project it won't go beyond the what if's of the 1980's and I will use dice for casualties markers instead of figures.
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If you want 10mm scale tractors - the sort organsied by the late Terry Peck to mechanically "yoump" supplies - there is a useful range of N gauge available.
There are two unsung heroes who did not get the recognition they deserved. One was Terry, the other was an elderly Canadian citizen who was allowed to telephone his consulate every day- he took great risks in using the calls to give the Canadians a daly intelligence update on the situation and movement of forces around Stanley.
Quote from: Battleback on 22 August 2020, 01:23:06 PM
I feel the same way about even playing current modern battles. I'm uncomfortable playing a conflict that is currently or recently been fought. If I ever build a modern project it won't go beyond the what if's of the 1980's and I will use dice for casualties markers instead of figures.
So do I. There are, I think, a number of reasons for this, though I'm no expert, but one might have something to do with the way modern conflict it is delivered into our sitting room, via TV, in full colour, in almost real-time. This is quite unlike earlier wars, film and photographs of which were largely sanitised as far as the public were concerned, and mainly in monochrome, such that we are somewhat removed from them. Anything prior to the invention of the camera, and the presentation of death is even more abstract.
On top of all that can be the personal factor. I have long thought that the Dhofar War in Southern Oman would be a perfect small-scale project. Local Popular Front insurgents with support from the Yemen, including occasional incursions by the Yemeni army, with support to the Sultan's Armed Forces from British SAS, Jordanian SF and Iranians. I've no 'war stories' to impart and spent most of my time there out of harms way in Salalah, but every time I consider it, I just can't get started.
Peter Jackson's colourisation of photographs for the Great War Exhibition and They Shall Not Grow Old film both demonstrate the distancing effect of black & white
I know of a number of veterans who do game more recent periods including actions they were involved in
It is a very personal decision
Quote from: paulr on 24 August 2020, 02:13:47 AM
Peter Jackson's colourisation of photographs for the Great War Exhibition and They Shall Not Grow Old film both demonstrate the distancing effect of black & white
I know of a number of veterans who do game more recent periods including actions they were involved in
It is a very personal decision
Watching colourised WW2 and WW1 footage does definitely have a much higher impact than black and white. There's a number of good documentaries that do this and it does reduce the "distance" a lot, it hits home a lot more.
I am a Vet (24 year British Army).
I game all periods and all conflicts. but as others say its personal preference.
I was a member of the British Army Wargames Association. most of us never had a problem with gaming more recent conflicts.
regards
Sean
Quote from: sean66 on 25 August 2020, 07:31:24 AM
I am a Vet (24 year British Army).
I game all periods and all conflicts. but as others say its personal preference.
I was a member of the British Army Wargames Association. most of us never had a problem with gaming more recent conflicts.
regards
Sean
Sean,
Thanks for posting. I enjoy watching your tracer. Here is a modest suggestion.
1. Most game rules require/work better with casualty markers.
2. Some of us have genuine reserve about modern (especially British) dead/casualty markers.
3. Let us Remember our dead. It was brutal, and the memory of the smashed bodies of dead mates still haunts me.
4. All Veteran charities are struggling financially. RBL closes Break Centres, LIBOR cash is spent. SAFFA demand is skyhigh.
5. Could Pendraken levy a subscrition on casualty markers ? the base perhaps shaped like a Poppy ? That whilst we war game we never forget the real thing is not a game ?
Remember them with affection and respect if you see fit, but levying a fee to go to such a cause strikes me as a bit forgetful that some customers may also miss a grandfather who never came home because of the actions of your heroes (and I don't mean that word ironically).
Hi Sunray
No I don't think it would be appropriate for a levy. I and many vets I know believe in
if a person wants to give that is his/her/their (political correctness) decision.
point 1 I agree I have different ways to represent casualties.
point 2 I believe that is personal preference (which I did state in my original post)
point 3 If you have seen it you will never forget I agree
point 4 I know a lot of forces charitys are struggling (but I feel that's a lot more to do with the H4H influence than anything else) they have a very slick advertising campaign
all based around current and slightly past conflicts. Whereas people only really think of the legion around the 11th of November (due again to their poppy sellers)
regards
Sean
Quote from: Sunray on 25 August 2020, 12:14:54 PM
2. Some of us have genuine reserve about modern (especially British) dead/casualty markers.
I find I cannot game wars that I remember. The 1973 Arab-Israeli is on the cusp for me. The Falklands is out.
I know it's irrational.
I don't use casualty markers.
not irrational at all FSN.
as I said before we all have our reasons.
I remember someone started looking into the Israeli Lebanon 1982 war got the figures and vehicles and terrain. then stopped cold when the "Arab Spring" started.
regards
Sean
Quote from: sean66 on 25 August 2020, 02:07:50 PM
not irrational at all FSN.
as I said before we all have our reasons.
I remember someone started looking into the Israeli Lebanon 1982 war got the figures and vehicles and terrain. then stopped cold when the "Arab Spring" started.
regards
Sean
This is interesting. I game AK47 type fictional bush wars circa late 1960s, however as the list of AFV releases suggests, Pendraken is on the cusp of doing a 1973 Arab- Isralie range: Egyptians, IDF and Syrians.
Would Pendraken be better advised to proceed with a hypothical Cold War range of Soviets and WP ?
Quote from: fsn on 25 August 2020, 01:46:25 PM
I find I cannot game wars that I remember. The 1973 Arab-Israeli is on the cusp for me. The Falklands is out.
I know it's irrational.
I don't use casualty markers.
That's another thing. Like you I don't use casualty markers but only because I've never had a need for them, and don't see what purpose they serve.
Interesting that you can't game wars you remember. It's probably very rational if the truth be known.
There were a couple of members of the Rheindahlen Garrison Club, back in late 1980s, who had comprehensive 1st British Corps/3 Shock Army collections in 6mm. I had no problem taking part when they gave them an outing but when I think about it, there isn't any post-WW2 conflict, real or imagined, that generates more than a flicker of interest in me, certainly not sufficient to start a project.
I remember the Rheindahlen club.
many a weekend spent their in the 90's playing games and Painting.
As an aside I once hosted a big 6mm Cold War gone Hot game in Duelmen (British supply Depot) in 1997.
the Soviet 3rd shock army invaded the German Border (taken direct from "the Third World War by General Sir John Hackett. (of Arnhem Bridge fame)
the defending force was a mix of British, West German regulars and West German TA.
the game was a demonstration game. but I was approached by a German gentleman asking if he could take over a TA unit.
he moved his unit into a village close to the border and fought tenaciously for the whole game trying to defend then re take the village.
after the game he thanked me and told me he'd never gamed before but he was born in that village, and was part of the TA unit I had made to defend it
so he felt he had to game it with me.
regards
Sean
:)
Cheers - Phil
Great tale.
Happy days Sean. We might have met across the table for all I know. I was at Rheindahlen from 1989 to 1992. It was my last posting before I retired from the army in 1993. Some of the best games I ever had were there. We were kindred spirits and all ranks from corporal to colonel, plus a couple of UK civilians. No ranks, all known by our given names, except the colonel, who was called 'colonel' by everybody (what else?). Nobody kicked the arse out of it and once back in the real world it was back to military etiquette.
We met once a week - Wednesday as I remember - with occasional weekend games. We played everything from ancients to WW3, via 40K, and I can't remember a rancorous moment. I have never found a club to equal it, in fact, I've never found a civilian club I actually wanted to belong to and I've tried a few. All far too competitive and too many 'rulesmiths' - perhaps it's me, I don't know.
We had a huge room in the basement of the International Officers' Club when I was there, opposite the Garrison Theatre and every year we took over the ground floor to put on a show, which was part of the BAOR show circuit, large enough to attract traders from UK.
My abiding memory is the year when the toilets blocked and there I was, with the colonel (late REME - a full colonel general staff job) with our sleeves rolled up, plungers in hand, unblocking them. I am fairly sure that that kind of work was not in the job-description of either a colonel or a WO1!
Thanks for reminding me of happy times.
I think our paths Just missed each other.
I started gaming in 1993 in Bosnia (May-Nov). went to first club early spring 1994 (Hohne)
we met under the NAAFI of the 40th R.A.
so my first Rheindahlen would of been 1994
I remember lots of U.K. traders at the shows. Friday night tip up help traders get ready. slept in building had breakfast then all kicked out to
queue to get back in again. same again Sat/Sun.
regards
Sean
I'd like to see casualty figures for this and other periods - Cold War, WWII, etc., since I'd much prefer them to using chits of dice on the tabletop to keep track of that, for various rules systems.