I have just concluded a deal to acquire 2 x A4E Platts 1/144 Skyhawks at £20 including postage. (from Japan).
I have been looking for such kit for my 10mm Aircraft Carrier for some time. It gives a dice driven Suoerpowers' response to bush wars .
The Skyhawk packed an almighty punch in terms of ordinance.
In addition to fictional bush war intervention the A4 saw action in Vietnam, Middle East, and Falklands. These little models might change cammo a few times !
You have a 10mm scale aircraft carrier?
Bloody hell!
Quick back of the envelope figures - HMS Victorious is ~226 metres long as built - so that's about 1.5 metres at 1/150. Even HMS Audacity would be ~95 cm long!
Bloody hell again!
Always had a soft spot for the A4 - my first ever Matchbox, as opposed to Airfix, aircraft kit.
Just how big is you war games room?😳😳😳
10mm aircraft carrier. Respect Sunray !
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Quote from: Raider4 on 06 August 2020, 02:21:18 PM
You have a 10mm scale aircraft carrier?
Bloody hell!
The USS "Wendy" has a flight deck of 30" /760mm . She is a combo of a number of toy carriers and a bit of scratch build. Deck to waterline is 80mm, and superstructure is 120mm. At its widest the deck is 240 wide.
She has a compliment of : -
* 6 bases x 5 US Marines (late 1960s/70s era)
* one SEAL team 4x2 bases
* one CIA unit - one base
* one Huey
* one OV10
* one CH46
* one PBR Mk2
* one Storch -
* one Thunderbolt (WW2 vintage )
Add the A4s and a new 5" QF gun as well as some more AAA. Plus need for a landing craft/Buffalo .
She was created for a Boxing Day game based on
Behind enemy lines. A crashed aircraft - in this case an F4 that someone stood on!, and a crew/film to be rescued.
The Wendy sits off table, on a coffee table of her own. If the bush war has superpower involvement she takes interest. Plagiarised from Martin's excellent AK47 rules, dice decides the level and degree of US "intervention" to Red team escalation.
1 is sharing intel / air recon. - if the eye in the sky is shot down, that's a plus 1 to the next Wendy dice.
2 supply of weapons/air drops and 1
3 is CIA involvement and 1 and 2
4 is SEAL team "advisors "and 1-3
5 is air strike (hence the A4s) and 1-4
6 is boots on the ground Grenada style.
Quote from: monkeynut on 06 August 2020, 04:32:07 PM
Just how big is you war games room?😳😳😳
10mm aircraft carrier. Respect Sunray !
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Respect my arse! Want to put your pension money where your post is?
£100 says UUS Wendy is now presently docked on my kitchen table. (She had to be rescued from the stables loft!)
If you accept my wager, I will photo and send to Leon and Techno tonight.
Payment via Paypal to Pendraken - my nominated charity is SSAFA the armed forces charity.
Quote from: Sunray on 06 August 2020, 04:40:21 PM
The USS "Wendy" has a flight deck of 30" /760mm.
Ah, so a little bit of compression. Still cool, I can dig that.
Quote from: Raider4 on 06 August 2020, 06:34:34 PM
Ah, so a little bit of compression. Still cool, I can dig that.
Hence her name - USS Wendy. She lies off shore/games table on her coffee table. She is one turn flying time behind the game. In other words, from take off to table is one turn. I was casting around for A4s as they are diminutive in comparison to most other carrier strike aircraft.
To date no Red force had attacked her. But as bush wars escalate it is only a matter of time before an aircraft or an MTB targets her. Did I mention I have a Cruel Seas MTB fleet in 10mm ?
Sounds fantastic Sunray.......time to put on those aviator shades and crank up that Kenny Loggins CD if you're heading for the danger zone......and look out of Mig 28's :)
Don't understand your post, I was giving you a compliment not saying I didn't believed you.If I have offended you I apologise, it was not my intention.
This is why I have never joined a forum before as a innocent comment can be taken totally out of context. Maybe I should of worded it better . Apologies again
Ref. Your wager. As a veteran of 3 combat/ war zones ,I am a British Legion member and actively support various armed forces charities already.You have nothing to prove to me as I have to you.
I will be withdrawing from the forum.
Thanks
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Quote from: monkeynut on 06 August 2020, 07:11:31 PM
Don't understand your post, I was giving you a compliment not saying I didn't believed you.If I have offended you I apologise, it was not my intention.
This is why I have never joined a forum before as a innocent comment can be taken totally out of context. Maybe I should of worded it better . Apologies again
Ref. Your wager. As a veteran of 3 combat/ war zones ,I am a British Legion member and actively support various armed forces charities already.You have nothing to prove to me as I have to you.
I will be withdrawing from the forum.
Thanks
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No worries mate. Lockdown has made me grumpy- plus the death of 2 good mates recently . I obviously misread your email.
I sincerely apologise I have just spoke to Techno (Phil) on the phone- he has a jpg of USS Wendy adorned with 1/144 aircraft -as has Leon. I have asked them to post same on forum so you can all banter me on my poor modelling skills.
No need to pack it in. With your record number of requests you are already a Forum legend.
Keep those monkeynuts coming.
Regards
James
I am not happy about this. I misread Monkeynut's comment to be a dispersion on my claim to possession a 10mm carrier, and that I should show more respect to fellow forum members by not telling porkies.
I will email Leon, and ask him to forward my apologies to Monkeynut, together with a £10 credit to spend on the Pendraken items of his choice.
Quote from: Sunray on 07 August 2020, 07:44:41 AM
I am not happy about this. I misread Monkeynut's comment to be a dispersion on my claim to possession a 10mm carrier, and that I should show more respect to fellow forum members by not telling porkies.
I will email Leon, and ask him to forward my apologies to Monkeynut, together with a £10 credit to spend on the Pendraken items of his choice.
Good man.
Sounds like fun.
Quote from: ianrs54 on 07 August 2020, 09:34:52 AM
Sounds like fun.
Its had only one outing - that that was as an off shore base for a flight of Air Calvary Hueys.
But I did find with proper chance rules, it engaged with non wargamers who appreciate world politics.
Irrespective what the Captain of the Wendy wanted to do, he still required Pentagon/Oval Office clearance which came via dice.
I appreciate that its only a token carrier, closer to a WW2 Auxiliary, but a lot of what we put on the table is token : the jungle of 10 to 20 trees, the Town of 5-10 buildings, the airfield that disappears off the corner of the board,
Quote from: pierre the shy on 06 August 2020, 06:51:24 PM
Sounds fantastic Sunray.......time to put on those aviator shades and crank up that Kenny Loggins CD if you're heading for the danger zone......and look out of Mig 28's :)
There will be no Mig28s in my airspace ! This is late 1960s/early 70s. And the client states are third world. The airpower is generally supplementary as per BKC rules. So Ground Attack capability outweighs dog fighting. Because of their very stable weapons platform and unsophisticated electronics a lot of trainers and early jets, plus piston engine WW2 types flourish.
I have Mig15s and 17s, Sabres, T33 Shooting Stars, Meteors, Delfins, Beechcraft T34s, and even a Spanish built Seata. I found diecast toys like the Matchbox Cessna 402 that can be pressed into service as recon/troop transport or even improvised light bomber. DC3s and a hanger full of 1/144 passenger/cargo types can also be used.
Some third world states are forced to look east for arms as west may impose an embargo. So you find early types like Shooting Star reinforced by MiGs . Cuba is a good example
In 61 Cuba was still flying Sea? Furys
P-51s were still being flown in 1984 by the Dominican Republic, and plenty of other Latin American countries were still using them in the 60's and 70's.
So it's possible Cuba was still flying Sea Furys (Furies?) in 1961.
Cuba certainly had them, this I think news reel film of one, just not certain if it was the land or naval version. There is also the football war, one side with P51's and the other F4U's
Quote from: ianrs54 on 07 August 2020, 02:19:19 PM
Cuba certainly had them, this I think news reel film of one, just not certain if it was the land or naval version. There is also the football war, one side with P51's and the other F4U's
Yes Cuba used Seafurys and T-33 Shooting Stars in repelling the abortive Bay of Pigs adventure. Both sides used the B26.
Grayson L. Lynch ,
Decision for disaster (Virginia, 2000) is a good read, and plenty of maps for a gamer.
Sounds very cool and would love to see a pic of the carrier, just to whet my appetite as it's the sort of thing I love seeing in a wargame :). Takes me back to being a kid I suppose when we used all sorts of kit for our games.
Quote from: Steve J on 07 August 2020, 03:00:15 PM
Sounds very cool and would love to see a pic of the carrier, just to whet my appetite as it's the sort of thing I love seeing in a wargame :). Takes me back to being a kid I suppose when we used all sorts of kit for our games.
Leon has a jpg - I will ask him nicely to post it.
Looking forward to it :).
Quote from: Steve J on 07 August 2020, 08:54:16 PM
Looking forward to it :).
Should be in your "in" tray :)
Received James and it is so cool 8).
All sorted and attached to Sunray's earlier message, and again here!
Leon, that you very much indeed.
If you could also convey my apologies to old Monkeynut, over our communications screw up, I would very much appreciate it.
Ha! Very cute!
An updated version of the "jeep" carrier like those in Taffy 3, maybe.
Quote from: Sunray on 08 August 2020, 10:30:37 PM
If you could also convey my apologies to old Monkeynut, over our communications screw up, I would very much appreciate it.
I've dropped him an email, no worries.
Very good!
Quote from: Ithoriel on 08 August 2020, 11:56:43 PM
Ha! Very cute!
An updated version of the "jeep" carrier like those in Taffy 3, maybe.
Yes, fits the bill for an escort carrier - apart from angled flight deck - which was a post war Royal Navy innovation. Originally I had planned the game with a piece of ply board painted to represent the deck. Then I spotted the toy carrier in Argos , and did a scratch build conversion. It was a lot of fun for the game - a scenario set loosely in the Balkans circa 1990s. After the game, it was mothballed to the stables loft until I spotted the Skyhawks deal. I have an original Pendraken corvette ( a Wendy version of Flower class ?) upgunned as an escort.
The US Carrier loitering off shore with complete air superiority brings a "sword of Damocles" factor to the game. The red Aggressor is always conscious that factors like a Soviet arms shipment of say T54s or MiG 17s , which would tilt the balance of power and run the (dice thrown) risk of US intervention. Militia type battle groups with low levels of discipline always carry the risk of running amuck and committing war crimes against civilian population. They have a low points value and are boots on the ground, but a disciplinary throw with a -1 after being fired on by sniper, can
result in an atrocity that sends in the Marines.
I have a 1/300 scale carrier that performs a similar function. She has actually made it on to the wargames table !
There is a so-called 1/300th sacle carrier which comes up on Amazon from time to time - its actually 1/600th but a nice model.
Quote from: ianrs54 on 09 August 2020, 10:36:28 AM
There is a so-called 1/300th sacle carrier which comes up on Amazon from time to time - its actually 1/600th but a nice model.
It is a nice model in a 1/600 setting. My 1/300 is again a bit of a wendy. The hull is a toy around 1/400 and the island is scratch built with 90% bits from an old Foch kit, I use H&R aircraft.
Quote from: Leon on 09 August 2020, 02:44:17 AM
I've dropped him an email, no worries.
Many thanks Leon, it's not as if you have nothing better to do at Pendraken with two of the machines on industrial action. They demand daily supply of WD40.
Quote from: Sunray on 09 August 2020, 01:07:20 PM
...it's not as if you have nothing better to do at Pendraken with two of the machines on industrial action. They demand daily supply of WD40.
Annoyingly I'm having to drive two of the melting pots down to Keighley tomorrow to get them fixed. And we've just paid £1000 to get the two laser machines serviced and repaired as well. Equipment seems to have it in for me at the moment, as soon as we fix one bit of kit, something else breaks down!
Only 16,000 40x20mm bases to recoup that bill; ignoring the cost of the MDF, power, staff...
Quote from: Leon on 09 August 2020, 09:12:03 PM
Annoyingly I'm having to drive two of the melting pots down to Keighley tomorrow to get them fixed. And we've just paid £1000 to get the two laser machines serviced and repaired as well. Equipment seems to have it in for me at the moment, as soon as we fix one bit of kit, something else breaks down!
It is a pain. The fact is the more complex and AI these machines become, the higher the service/repair costs.
The only consolation is that such costs are tax deductible.
The bill for servicing our CNC machines, RP machines and Laser Cutter was horrendous, running at around 10K per annum and that was without parts costs!
Ouch!
Stroll on !! :o :o :o :o
Cheers - Phil
Yep, they lure you in with 'cheap' purchase costs, then try and tie you in with maintenance contracts, which are 'cheap' to start with then soon rise within a few years. If you don't take the contract out, it can be weeks before they see you (you are presumably last in the queue) and then it costs a lot for even one visit!
Quote from: Leon on 09 August 2020, 09:12:03 PM
Equipment seems to have it in for me at the moment, as soon as we fix one bit of kit, something else breaks down!
I've had the estimate done to fix me, Leon. :)
£15,000 was the
absolute rock bottom price.....If you want the full works, they said you'll have to win Euromillions.
Cheers - Phil ;)
Techno,
I've lived in Wales !
I think you have moved the decimal point four places to the right ;D
more like 1 1/2 P (do they still do half pences :- )
regards
Sean
Quote from: Steve J on 10 August 2020, 08:06:13 AM
The bill for servicing our CNC machines, RP machines and Laser Cutter was horrendous, running at around 10K per annum and that was without parts costs!
Wow, hopefully we never reach that level! We tend to pay for a full laser machine service every 12-18 months but we brought it forward after all of the PPE production. I've never bothered with 'contract' maintenance as I find it's rarely worth the annual fee.
Quote from: Techno on 11 August 2020, 11:36:05 AM
£15,000 was the absolute rock bottom price.....If you want the full works, they said you'll have to win Euromillions.
I'll have to check for 'nearly new' Techno's on eBay first I think, just to make there's not a cheap replacement available instead... :P
We had to keep them serviced for ISO quality control, PUWER regs, PAT testing as well as general H&S. We did have 3 CNC machines, 5 RP machines, 3 vac-casting machines and 1 laser cutter, hence the high overall cost.
Thankfully we don't need all of those just yet, just the PAT testing which gets done each year.
Quote from: Leon on 11 August 2020, 01:18:02 PM
Wow, hopefully we never reach that level! We tend to pay for a full laser machine service every 12-18 months but we brought it forward after all of the PPE production. I've never bothered with 'contract' maintenance as I find it's rarely worth the annual fee.
I'll have to check for 'nearly new' Techno's on eBay first I think, just to make there's not a cheap replacement available instead... :P
Cheaper than me ?.......Bloody cheek !.... ;)
Cheers - Phil. (I hurt, and even
I'm too hot today....I gave up pushing putty this afto'....and simply used the Dremmel (lots) to get stuff started. Working with 'Green stuff' was like trying to sculpt with chewing gum....It stuck to everything.....except for where I wanted it to.) ;)
Quote from: Techno on 11 August 2020, 05:38:59 PM
Working with 'Green stuff' was like trying to sculpt with chewing gum....It stuck to everything.....except for where I wanted it to.) ;)
I've been Milliput'ing this afternoon and it was the same.
I do apologise for hi-jacking this very informative and humorous thread. Just to say my A4s are now airborne (posted). :)
I hope they come with tail hooks otherwise USS Wendy's deck may not be long enough.
Quote from: Techno on 11 August 2020, 05:38:59 PM
Cheers - Phil. (I hurt, and even I'm too hot today....I gave up pushing putty this afto'....and simply used the Dremmel (lots) to get stuff started. Working with 'Green stuff' was like trying to sculpt with chewing gum....It stuck to everything.....except for where I wanted it to.) ;)
Hello Techno
From my experience in a warmer climate, you can mix a bit of milliput or even a bit of plasticine to take some of the 'tack' off the green stuff. It's a bit of a balancing act to get the ratios right. Too much milliput and you end up chasing bits that don't stick and too much plasticine and the sculpt melts in the vulcanising.
Cheers
GrumpyOldMan (experienced in not being sticky)
Thanks, Vic. :)
If it gets to the same sort of temp as yesterday, I'll give that a go.
I DO mix green stuff with 'Magic Sculp', if I want a really soft putty to work with...but that's still quite sticky.....Even that might work, though. :-\
Cheers - Phil
Quote from: Sunray on 11 August 2020, 09:04:07 PM
I do apologise for hi-jacking this very informative and humorous thread. Just to say my A4s are now airborne (posted). :)
I hope they come with tail hooks otherwise USS Wendy's deck may not be long enough.
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