Reduced my led pile a little further by starting work on some long held 1/3000 Navwar Italian ships, some of which are needed for a scenario this coming weekend.....nothing like upcoming game requirements to get a bit of motivation going :)
Cleaned up 10 destroyers, 10 cruisers, 4 battleships and 1 carrier (the Aquila which was never fully completed).
Carefully drilled out 1mm holes for extra masts on the cruisers and battleships using me rotary drill (without any bloodletting or broken drill bits ;) )
Prepared bases (couldn't fit the complete name "Luigi Di Savoia Duca degli Abruzzi" on the base so just called her "Abruzzi" in the end.
Next challenge is to figure out how to evenly paint the diagonal red/white aerial ID stripes on the foredeck of each ship.....paint deck white first then dip an old marker pen in red paint to make 2 lines which can then be painted between?
Looking forward to seeing these on Saturday :!! ;)
I've just done it with white background and a horizontal 00 brush.
Photos later
GTHe worst thing on WW2 Italians is those deck stripes. (I know that is stateing the blindingly obvious) Anyone know why they did it, must have attracted a wondering torpedeo armed Wimpy, Beaufort or later Beaufighter ?
Because they had a tendancy to attract their own air force without them!!!
Work in progress
(https://i.imgur.com/syyL54z.jpg)
Quote from: ianrs54 on 14 July 2020, 04:08:41 PM
GTHe worst thing on WW2 Italians is those deck stripes. (I know that is stateing the blindingly obvious) Anyone know why they did it, must have attracted a wondering torpedeo armed Wimpy, Beaufort or later Beaufighter ?
During the latter stages of the Battle of Calabria/Punta Stilo on 9 July 1940 the Italian fleet was attempting to withdraw and was in fairly close proximity to the British fleet when an Italian air raid of some 100+ aircraft arrived. In the confused situation some 50% of the planes attacked their own ships. Naturally the Regia Marina were not impressed and amongst other measures decided to paint the foredecks of their ships with red and white diagonal stripes.
Nice job on the models Lemmey 👍
Quote from: pierre the shy on 15 July 2020, 02:49:01 AM
During the latter stages of the Battle of Calabria/Punta Stilo on 9 July 1940 the Italian fleet was attempting to withdraw and was in fairly close proximity to the British fleet when an Italian air raid of some 100+ aircraft arrived. In the confused situation some 50% of the planes attacked their own ships. Naturally the Regia Marina were not impressed and amongst other measures decided to paint the foredecks of their ships with red and white diagonal stripes.
Nice job on the models Lemmey 👍
Well at least they got stuck in, didn't go home with full loads :D
Nice work there Lemmy!
Looking good, Will. 8)
Cheers - Phil
Quote from: ianrs54 on 14 July 2020, 04:08:41 PM
GTHe worst thing on WW2 Italians is those deck stripes. (I know that is stateing the blindingly obvious) Anyone know why they did it, must have attracted a wondering torpedeo armed Wimpy, Beaufort or later Beaufighter ?
It's not about the combat effectiveness, it's about the looking good whilst steaming up and down the med! 8)
Italian ship yards got bonuses if the ship went faster than the design spec, so bits got left off. Course in any sort of weather British ships could steam rings round them. Better seakeeping
Quote from: ianrs54 on 16 July 2020, 09:21:21 AM
Italian ship yards got bonuses if the ship went faster than the design spec, so bits got left off. Course in any sort of weather British ships could steam rings round them. Better seakeeping
And the heaviest thing when it comes to displacement savings is ... armour.
Never mind, we'll get some admiralty chap to rewrite the doctrine and assert that "Speed is armour".
Yeah, but can it outrun a fully-laden stringbag?
(Not while anchored).
If that sounds disrespectful, it's not intended that way.
One of the best "what if" Naval settings is France Vs Italy in the Med (Assuming WW2 didn't break out).
Bismark couldna out run Stringbags, but her flak couldna hit cause they were too slow.
Here are mine so far!
https://madlemmey.blogspot.com/2020/07/13000-italians-fleet-for-naval-thunder.html
Eight Navigatori class destroyers
(https://i.imgur.com/gxqlfvD.jpg)
Top view for stripes!
(https://i.imgur.com/v2d7hjd.jpg)
Do I get the other 4 so I own all 12? ;D
(https://i.imgur.com/oFC87pk.jpg)
Collioni and Bende Nere Cruisers (Collioni was sunk before she could have he air recognition stripes done)
(https://i.imgur.com/W76W1xq.jpg)
Lovely looking ships, pity they had very little armour
(https://i.imgur.com/Bt62k1v.jpg)
Menacing?
(https://i.imgur.com/8x2BRAt.jpg)
They look cracking, Will ! :-bd
Cheers - Phil
Very nice Lemmey :-bd
I'll try painting the deck stripes freehand when I get round to them.
My painting has been deferred by "real world" events for the past few days, hope to be able to get back to some next week, but we'll see.
Has anyone ever tried using wee brushes with very long bristles to paint lines/stripes ?
It's only something that's occured to me after I saw a bit of a TV show called "The repair shop", that Von was watching the other day.
The operative was using a brush like that to paint 'lines'......OK.....On something somewhat larger than a 10mm figure, but I'd imagine the principal would be the same.
She seemed to have MUCH more control doing the lines with a long bristle brush......because it holds (relatively) much more paint, and so she could do the lines much more smoothly.
Just a thought...Never tried it myself.....I'm not even sure that brushes like this, suitable for painting wee figures, even exist.
Cheers - Phil :)
I use Posca paint pens. Or a Sharpie.
Quote from: Techno on 21 July 2020, 06:45:50 AM
Has anyone ever tried using wee brushes with very long bristles to paint lines/stripes ?
It's only something that's occured to me after I saw a bit of a TV show called "The repair shop", that Von was watching the other day.
The operative was using a brush like that to paint 'lines'......OK.....On something somewhat larger than a 10mm figure, but I'd imagine the principal would be the same.
She seemed to have MUCH more control doing the lines with a long bristle brush......because it holds (relatively) much more paint, and so she could do the lines much more smoothly.
Just a thought...Never tried it myself.....I'm not even sure that brushes like this, suitable for painting wee figures, even exist.
Cheers - Phil :)
I remember seeing a episode on TV during the lockdown of "How do they do it" or some such like title about making Bentley's (the cars).
They had one employee who did ALL the pinstriping on the cars that they made by freehand using long bristle brushes that you discribe Techno. Looked like he had been there for a while so he must have had a fair bit of practice, and a very steady hand.....amazing skill to watch.
It is, Peter.....And those 'artistes' make it look SO easy !!
Cheers - Phil
A few more Italian ships. I've tried to paint the paint scheme most prevelent, but cool camo always wins...
Light Cruisers Duca d'Aosta, Montecuccoli, Attendolo and Eugenia di Savoia
(https://i.imgur.com/wX9JT3b.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/deKh6Bo.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/Y0ueb51.jpg)
Fiume, Zara and Pola of the Zara Heay cruiser class
(https://i.imgur.com/mdLcWi8.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/fJTefu6.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/MMT2121.jpg)
Bolzano, a modified Trento class
(https://i.imgur.com/I5K9NDw.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/BH2Fio3.jpg)
Conte di Cavour and Giulio Cesare
(https://i.imgur.com/4oBTyy7.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/cLcWm4s.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/4X1Fkjd.jpg)
:-bd =D> :-bd
Very nice Lemmey :-bd
I'm afraid my dockyard is a bit slower - still got to do the deck striping - before they are ready to hit the table.
Quote from: steve_holmes_11 on 16 July 2020, 12:13:45 PM
One of the best "what if" Naval settings is France Vs Italy in the Med (Assuming WW2 didn't break out).
Hmmm......French.....haven't got any of them yet......should I make another trip to Warehouse Stationary to send a fax to Navwar? :- O:-)
I've switched to Davco...
Who do you source Davco from, couldn't find an actual Davco site :-/
Try searching on "Skytrex" Paul. The company kept them in house when Hammond went broke !
https://navymodelsandbooks.co.uk/product-category/davco-13000/
Those look the biz, Will ! 8)
Cheers - Phil
Quote from: paulr on 02 August 2020, 02:54:06 AM
Who do you source Davco from, couldn't find an actual Davco site :-/
That's useful to know Ian thanks.
But haven't you already got the entire USN and IJN in 1/3000th Paul ;)
I'm investing (yes that is the right word :) ) in some flight deck decals as I have the Navwar WW2 carriers I need.....some post WW2 ones would be useful for me 2021 "master plan"......not that the 2020 one is going particularly well so far thanks to COVID-19.
Looking good 😀
🐵
Quote from: pierre the shy on 02 August 2020, 07:23:56 AM
But haven't you already got the entire USN and IJN in 1/3000th Paul ;)
Not all of them, not even
all the capital ships, only 251 including some Dutch and a few Commonwealth ;)
I should probably get the USS Robin, found out about her yesterday :)
She was captured from the Russians and was excessively buoyant, if the song is to be believed.
Oh deary me FK ;D.
Quote from: paulr on 03 August 2020, 04:25:36 AM
Not all of them, not even all the capital ships, only 251 including some Dutch and a few Commonwealth ;)
I should probably get the USS Robin, found out about her yesterday :)
Still more than enough I should think ;)
The "USS Robin" is on my wish list, albeit in postwar guise with a big bit welded on the side and a dustbin on top of the island.....
Spent a bit more time with the Italians last night doing ships boats and recoating all the foredecks as the white paint I have (Tamiya Flat White) needs several coats to get a good coverage......yes I do mix it really well first.
Also assembled laser cut bases for 8 additional Irish units for Benburb. It will be a while till they are required, but I can get the bases painted and labelled and flags printed for them.....
Meanwhile back to more late war 6mm - several complete packs of 6mm H&R panzergendiers that I got years ago to paint and most of a Russian tank corps to rebase.
Going to need some more 30 x 30 bases and some 60 x 30 ones at this rate - you try and fit a 6mm Tiger or JSII on a 30 x 30 base!!
Quote from: pierre the shy on 15 August 2020, 04:23:53 AM
Going to need some more 30 x 30 bases and some 60 x 30 ones at this rate - you try and fit a 6mm Tiger or JSII on a 30 x 30 base!!
Try with the big 10mm Pendraken tanks too!
Quote from: hammurabi70 on 15 August 2020, 08:04:33 PM
Try with the big 10mm Pendraken tanks too!
That would be a neat trick :)
Got too many 6mm tanks to start collecting 10mm WW2/Modern ones as well.....and too many other projects to finish O:-)
Four more Italian Cruisers done.
Trento
(https://i.imgur.com/MORuRrs.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/kVPOsze.jpg)
Garibaldi and Abruzzi
(https://i.imgur.com/wq32HYH.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/WqxvBcY.jpg)
Gorizia
(https://i.imgur.com/Ex4nndS.jpg)
With flying boat deployed
(https://i.imgur.com/7M9zXX7.jpg)
Looking good Will....l like the flying boat on the Trento :)
I have not made much progress on my Italians lately as l have been sorting out lots of my mothers stuff and
Reorganizing my man cave....though I did find 20 more ltalian ships to do... mainly destroyers thankfully which are pretty easy to do.
Finished the reorg so will try to make some progress shortly.
Nice work, Will ! :)
Cheers - Phil
Toot toot!
All the nice boys love a sailor ;)
More Italians done
Three Soldati class destroyers (there should be four, but for the life of me I cannot find the extra one)
(https://i.imgur.com/ztlZT9L.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/qbXP4vU.jpg)
Di Gussiano and Da da Barbiano (both lost in pretty horrific circumstances) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italian_cruiser_Alberico_da_Barbiano
(https://i.imgur.com/l9MSIVj.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/kT4wbR5.jpg)
To finish off the capital ships for my Italians, four battleships.
Andrea Doria and Ciao Duilio
(https://i.imgur.com/KTRKXXF.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/YLHSTO2.jpg)
Camo
(https://i.imgur.com/7gPbJug.jpg)
Vittoria Venito and Littorio
(https://i.imgur.com/velAwtO.jpg)
They do have dazzle camo, honest!
(https://i.imgur.com/aD5EwMc.jpg)
Meet these four together and it's a bad day!
(https://i.imgur.com/RkVEuJE.jpg)
:-bd
The BB's came out really nice! =D>
Quite a fleet you got there!
Very nice work Will 8)
Thanks chaps.
The fleet consists of all the active capital units for the Med apart from Roma, which only had one run out, and that did not end well. Must get some more destroyers for smaller actions.
Very nice, Will ! :-bd
Cheers - Phil :)
The dazzle camo shows up on Vittoria Venito swamped on Littorio ;)
Thanks chaps
Very nice:
I've read that an Italy / France imaginary campaign makes for some nicely balanced actions.
Both nations have supply responsibilities in North Africa.
Both have some rather wobbly land-based air support.
20 x 1/3000th Navwar Marine Nationale (French Navy) ships, mainly for the Force du Raid, cleaned up, 1mm mast locations drilled out and wire masts added where needed.
Whole lot now ready to be painted.
Base labels printed and bases cut out ready for the ships once painted.
To be used in a game next weekend so good motivation to get them completed........nothing like a nice summer cruise in the sunny Med ;)
Looking forward to a sunny cruise ;) :!!
Quote from: paulr on 18 April 2021, 03:59:52 AM
Looking forward to a sunny cruise ;) :!!
Massive storms forecast for Med...
The storm is raining 15" shells, I'm guessing...
Look forward to seeing the French :)
Can't wait to see these
Quote from: toxicpixie on 18 April 2021, 08:08:46 AM
The storm is raining 15" shells, I'm guessing...
Look forward to seeing the French :)
Could be a rain of 15" shells....but whose? British.....Italian.....even German purhaps (Bismarck was launched in 1939 after all) :- ? I'm keeping quiet about the scenario itself till the weekend as there are decisons to be made by each side before the game that may affect what happens.
Like Techno you'll have to be patient for some pics, only just got the first coat of paint on the ships tonight...still got to paint the decks, ships boats etc, and try to put large but legible flotilla numbers on the bows of 9 contre-torpillieurs.
Blimey, the dockyards cutting it fine! Hope they launch on time ;)
Quote from: pierre the shy on 18 April 2021, 10:57:11 AM
Could be a rain of 15" shells....but whose? British.....Italian.....even German purhaps (Bismarck was launched in 1939 after all) :- ? I'm keeping quiet about the scenario itself till the weekend as there are decisons to be made by each side before the game that may affect what happens.
Like Techno you'll have to be patient for some pics, only just got the first coat of paint on the ships tonight...still got to paint the decks, ships boats etc, and try to put large but legible flotilla numbers on the bows of 9 contre-torpillieurs.
Bismark would have a few probs with the coastal guns on Gibralta. Most of the 15's would be British - Warspite, Barham, Valiant and Queen Elizabeth, occasionally Hood and the odd R class passing through. We also had Nelson till late 43?
Clasic med signal is Cunningham to Somerville - "Twice a Knight and at your age too."
It's almost as good as Cpt Illustrious to Cpt Sarratoga after a typhoon of Japan - Sara says How did you do in storm, reply "Storm, what Storm".
Well I love doing "what if" naval scenarioes involving "believeible" alternatives, and according to Wikipedia the Force de Raid was unsuccessfully attacked by Italian submarine Dandolo on 13 June 1940 after a sortie from Mers El Kébir in response to a false report of a Kriegsmarine squadron preparing to enter the Strait of Gibraltar..........so if you push the bounds a little it's could possibly happen, but there is, as you say, the defences at Gibraltar to deal with....maybe Operation Felix was launched?
Quote from: toxicpixie on 18 April 2021, 01:39:30 PM
Blimey, the dockyards cutting it fine! Hope they launch on time ;)
Yes, they're working double shifts this week Pixie, got a lot of back orders to get through too ;)
No kidding Pierre :D
Yeah, if you want some good gun actions for WW2 you need to squeeze things a little...
Decks and ships boats etc painted...just need to do the Destroyer numbering with an old fine nibbed pen, wash the models and stick them on their bases so well on target for on-time completion :-bd
My favourite naval signal concerns convoy PQ17 to Russia in mid 1942. The convoy itself was ordered to scatter and proceed independently to Russian ports due to the possibilty of being intercepted by a German task force including the Tirpitz.
Part of the convoys close escort consisted of two older British submarines that were supposed to submerge and attack any German warships that came close to them, but once submerged they would be very slow, so the CO of one of the subs sent a morse message along the lines of:
Submarine: "Intend to remain on the surface in event of enemy attack"
Senior Officer of the Convoy Escort: "So do I" ;)
Cracking bit of Royal Navy signals there :D
The French are done so moved on to cleaning up a few Dutch and RN Eastern Fleet reinforcements.....the projected Dutch Type 1047 battlecruisers and ex HMS Tiger needed some serious work with a file to get rid of mould lines......extra mast holes drilled and wire masts added to 2 x Type 1047's, Tromp and Van Heemskerck, no wounds incurred ;)
Been bit diverted with Mrs Shy being a bit under the weather for the past few days....The French fleet will be photographed in due course once normal service is resumed.....sooner than later one hopes.
Quote from: toxicpixie on 19 April 2021, 09:53:30 AM
Cracking bit of Royal Navy signals there :D
There are a fair few of them from WWII
My Grandad, being the great raconteur always claimed he witnessed these two signals while in Scarpa:
HMS Essex to USS Essex as she arrived in Scarpa 'SNAP!'
USS Hornet pulls into Scarpa, small destroyer pull along side, signals:
Want a rematch?
HMS Porcupine
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Quote from: Lord Speedy of Leighton on 25 April 2021, 07:05:03 PM
My Grandad, being the great raconteur always claimed he witnessed these two signals while in Scarpa:
HMS Essex to USS Essex as she arrived in Scarpa 'SNAP!'
Also used by Capt of HMS Queen Elizazbeth to RMS Queen Elizabeth sometime in 1943 I think.
Posted some pictures of the French ships that I have finished on my irregularly updated blog:
https://betweenthelines10mm.blogspot.com/2021/05/13000th-navwar-french.html
I hope you like them.
We played a "what if" refight of Mers-el-Kebir last night but the French were not able to escape the 15" guns of Force H in the end......largely thanks to some magnetic mines timely being laid by Ark Royal's Swordfish at the only exit through the French anti-submarine nets. I tried to add a bit of chrome to the game by allowing for collateral damage to the port and surrounding area but the wily British admiral then decided not to open fire until the French had started to exit the port!!!....so much for that idea ;D
Quote from: pierre the shy on 02 May 2021, 01:35:36 AM
...wily British admiral ...
:o :o :o We're shocked and offended
The humane Royal Navy did everything possible to avoid unnecessary bloodshed, including openly mining the exit of the French anti-submarine nets in broad daylight
We reluctantly opened fire with our cruisers on the onrushing contre-torpilleurs only when they were almost within torpedo range
At least those who hadn't been sunk by mines or had collided with a sinking compatriot at the net exit ;)
Our capital ships also exercised similar restraint with only the Hood opening fire on the leading French battle cruiser as she emerged from the net exit and narrowly avoided colliding with the sinking contre-torpilleurs
The remaining capital ships only returned fire once the other French capital ships opened fire from within the port. Superb British gunnery avoided any casualties in the town (and rapidly disabled the French)
LOL! Rashomon-style batreps.
Superb painting. Lol at the two reports!
PS :-bd =D> :-bd Good looking ships as always Pierre the Shy and a really interesting scenario :)
Very nice! You got them done in time then :D