Yes I know this sounds like the start of a wargaming joke.
I have just been on TMP for the first time in a few months, and their seems to be some form of feud going on between TMP and Two Fat Lardies that has embroiled Martin Goddard of Peter Pig. All sorts of accusations are going on. Some of them quite unpleasant.
I have known Martin Goddard for many years and found him to be a very pleasant chap, Likewise I have met Richard from TFL a couple of times and again no issue with him. While I know TMP can be a little eccentric it seems to have blown out of all proportion.
The comments do not make things clear as to what is actually the problem - does anyone on here have any idea?
Please can we avoid taking sides or being political. I am just interested in what happened , as it sounds quite serious
Just walk away, walk away.
It's all got quite nasty unfortunately, with a lot of people stuck in the middle. Basically:
- Someone posted on TMP about the new TFL Infamy rules.
- Bill took down the post as it breaches their 'No adverts' policy.
- Other TFL fans made posts about the rules, some I think just to antagonise Bill at TMP.
- Bill deleted all of the posts and might have banned a few people?
- Rich Clarke went on TMP to ask why the posts were being deleted. Bill explained the policy and asked Rich to stop 'idiots' from posting more threads about Infamy.
- Rich then said that TMP is toxic and bullying, and not a good advertisement for our hobby.
- Rich then went on his social media and suggested that TFL fans contact companies who advertise on TMP, to ask them whether they should be supporting a site like that.
- This resulted in a lot of comments on the TFL Facebook page, including some homophobic and transphobic stuff.
- TMP then responded by calling TFL bigots and bullies themselves. They contacted advertisers and asked them to come and stand against the 'bigotry' of TFL.
- Peter Pig posted on TMP that he was receiving emails about his advertiser status and could everyone 'please stop'.
- This has now been followed by a series of new posts/threads on both sides explaining why they are right and the other side is wrong.
There's essentially two lines drawn in the sand now, with a massive chunk of middle ground that no one is allowed to stand in.
Thanks for the explanation Leon.
It seems all very unfortunate.
I am sure I have seen you and other manufacturers announcing new ranges and sales Etc.
Jims comment is probably the best idea, but its a huge shame in a relatively small community this goes on.
It does all feel a little "Judean People's Front. We're the People's Front of Judea! Judean People's Front. Cawk."
I understood (as in that's what I have heard) the top half of what Leon said.
Basically Bill went "No advertising by posting if you don't pay for advertising.
Which is odd, because this basically happens all the time on TMP - people say "We've got new rules coming out".
TMP mob basically started baying that Bill was right, ignoring the fact it happens all the time. I believe said members of that particular mob were all born between the Atlantic and the Pacific and between Canada and Mexico, and include the sort of people who wouldn't play "I ain't been shot mum" because the name is silly.
I was wondering what that was all about myself as I couldn't make heads or tails of it from the outside.
I was honestly expecting something more then that.
It makes both of them look unprofessional.
Happy I don't need to pick a side
Quote from: Last Hussar on 08 July 2020, 12:25:08 AM
TMP mob basically started baying that Bill was right, ignoring the fact it happens all the time. I believe said members of that particular mob were all born between the Atlantic and the Pacific and between Canada and Mexico, and include the sort of people who wouldn't play "I ain't been shot mum" because the name is silly.
It sounds a bit like a 'not built here' issue which is how the US military ended up with the M14
Kudos to Leon, I thought he gave an accurate, measured, balanced account of the nonsense that transpired between TFL and TMP and how it's not useful to the hobby.
Speaking of useless nonsense...
"I believe said members of that particular mob were all born between the Atlantic and the Pacific and between Canada and Mexico, and include the sort of people who wouldn't play "I ain't been shot mum" because the name is silly."
I am extraordinarily resentful of the fact you're stirring up their bullshit here.
V/R,
Jack
Second the remarks of the previous speaker. We really do have a common interest, folks, even Ian and Phil.
Agree, it never helps to bring crap from another forum here or to other places I like, it just gives another opportunity for a re-stir!
I wondered how long this would take to show up on this forum.
Like previous posters I sort of wondered WTF?!? when I saw a bit of it elsewhere on the internet.
Seems like its handbags at 5 paces, with neither side coming out with any credit whatsoever.
I could say lots of things but I'm just going to agree with Jim and Jack that all involved should grow up and move on.
Just bizarre really and I do wonder why people still go on TMP. Thanks God for this forum!
That explains a lot of posts on the TFL group ;)
Quote from: FierceKitty on 08 July 2020, 03:57:31 AM
We really do have a common interest, folks, even Ian and Phil.
You take that back !! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
I've not been on TMP for
years......
Maybe had the odd quick gander when someone's posted a link.
I'd have to have a wild guess as to what my password is, now.
It's sadly, the sort of behaviour that puts folk off 'joining in'.
Before I join our esteemed forum, one of my old colleagues from GW (Kev Adams) would often send me links to 'spats' and
really bitchy comments on various war-gaming forums*.....He
hates that sort of thing !
When I started making soldiers for Leon, he mentioned that Pendraken had their own forum, and maybe I'd like to join ?
I wasn't going to, because of the 'negative waves' I associated with discussion groups.
Glad I changed my mind. ;)
That's this forum's definite advantage.....It's encouraging....and friendly.....(We'll leave out the lunacy, for now. ;))
Folk that ask questions, never get asked....."Why did you ask that ?.....Are you so stupid, you don't know that ?" X_X
Cheers - Phil ;)
Quote from: Techno on 08 July 2020, 06:43:22 AM
... encouraging....and friendly....
Err...I'm not....
Quote from: Norm on 08 July 2020, 04:57:07 AM
Agree, it never helps to bring crap from another forum here or to other places I like, it just gives another opportunity for a re-stir!
That was certainly never my intention. Hence my comment requesting the facts and not wanting anything political or people putting thier side.
Leon provided the facts perfectly and that was all I wanted.
Perhaps Leon of Phil could now lock this link to ensure it does not become an issue on this forum
Well reaosnably freindly, except me and Kitty, I HATE THE WORLD, and PHIL ! :d
Thankfully it has not spilled over to TWW or LAF.
Anyone wanting to sit around the cesspool is welcome to go to FROTHERS, which, unsurprisingly, seems to be enjoying the show.
No TMP for me, god awful site, always down when i want to watch it.
I blame it on the lockdown, everyone has too much time for bickerin' ;D ;D ;D ;D
Quote from: hammurabi70 on 08 July 2020, 09:26:57 AM
Thankfully it has not spilled over to TWW or LAF.
Anyone wanting to sit around the cesspool is welcome to go to FROTHERS, which, unsurprisingly, seems to be enjoying the show.
There was an attempt at TWW, but Mike was on it and closed it.
Hats off to Mike for locking the thread down straight away.
Thank goodness we inhabit a sensible forum run by sensible people - where the fighting stays on the tabletop.
That is all.
Not quite all: There's always time for a popular meme.
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