I'm not a Napoleonic gamer (one of the few periods I've avoided)
But with the new not-kickstarter, I wondering about dipping a toe in.
Rules wise I thinking something like Rebels and Patriots which I have (or perhaps Sharpe Practice) for both units are about 12 figures, with around 4-6 units on a side.
So what would be good figure to use? British and French I suppose as the core, and Portuguese and Spanish too. I assume French from the 1809 range, but which ones?
Thanks in advance!
I think it will depend mostly on what you want to play; some generic fighting/skirmishing or would you like to recreate some historical battles? In the last case the OOB's should be a good guide. If youre doing something more fictional the period might be a thing to consider (1808 or 1814 for example) which would/could prescribe what allies you can use.
You want to use cavalry and artillery too?
I'm not an expert on the subject but I have been reading up on it and especially the uniforms. still deciding on what specific battle or year I want to get in myself...
Cheers,
Rob
It would be low level skirmishes.
Kind of like the Sharpe TV series and books.
I'm not sure when. I really know very little. But some brace redcoats with some wiley green rifles against the dastardly French is the starting place!
Personally I'd go with whatever figures grab your fancy. In this theatre both sides uniforms deteriorated quickly, becoming a real mish mash of styles etc. As long as they look 'vaguely' French, I'd think you'd be OK. Heresy for some I know but, it works for me.
How do folks find Sharpe's Practice plays at 10mm?
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I've not played Sharpe Practice. But both Lion Rampant and The Men Who Would be Kings work well in 10mm - and I was thinking of Rebels and Patriots as the starting point - I'm quite drawn to the 1-2-3 basing style - which feels a lot more practical than a load of single based 10mm figures.
Quote from: fred. on 17 May 2020, 08:58:49 PM
... units are about 12 figures, with around 4-6 units on a side.
OK.
Sharpe, when not fighting at Talavera or Salamanca gets involved in battalion level actions. Therefore, could 1 "unit" be a company?
If you go for infantry units of 10, then one pack would get you three units - as long as you don't want all those silly flags and things.
If it were me, I'd go for a pack of riflemen (NBP9), plus one of Portuguese Cacadores (NPP6 or NPP7 to taste). Against them I'd go for two packs of French Voltigeurs. you could get funky and paint some of those as Swiss in natty red coats.
But that's just me.
Ta Nobby. That's the kind of steer I'm looking for.
I suspect the rules are kind of 1:1 scale, but are probably high enough level it's not too important if each figure is 1 man or a few.
What about gee gees or artillery?
If it's any help the weekend we are planning is based around forces from one box of Warlord, Valiant, or Perrys plastics. Roughly 30-50 figures.
Quote from: fred. on 18 May 2020, 12:24:05 PM
What about gee gees or artillery?
Oooh! OK.
For the British, I would go light dragoons (NBP13). They're not glamorous, but they are quit numerous in the Peninsula. If you want a bit more upmarket, I'd suggest some Hussars (NPB14), which I would paint as KGL Hussars. Portuguese cavalry was not numerous ... and not terribly effective.
For the French, I'd oppose with Dragoons. Plenty of 'em in the Peninsula. You could also use Chasseurs or Hussars, but IMHO that's a bit flash. If you want to be exotic, there's the Vistula Lancers.
Hope that gives you some ideas.
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/11/LancersPatrol.jpg/1024px-LancersPatrol.jpg)
As for artillery, I'd go Horse Artillery every time. However, one pack is 3 guns, and that seems a lot of firepower against 2 packs of infantry.
Thinking about, it, you could have a French army with no Frenchmen in it at all. Confederation of the Rhine,. Italians (in white) or the Irish Regiment (in lovely Green)
Thanks that is really useful - I was thinking Dragoons for the French the helmets looked familiar from the tele...
I take it at this time Dragoons were pure cavalry, they weren't mounted infantry as they were earlier?
Yes, 3 guns is a bit much - might be doing some custom orders.
Dragoons by this period were shock cavalry. Dismounting was still done, but mainly for sneaky scouting, but the cavalry carbines had such atrocious range it was easier to be heavy cavalry.
If you're thinking Sharpe Practice, I would jump in with lots of infantry and hold back on cavalry and guns.
You'll want your regulars in 8s for close order, your open order in 6s, and irregulars in 10s. I strongly recommend sabots - I've sold simply tons for Sharpe Practice (but for 28mm and 15mm). For 10mm, I'd suggest perhaps pennies but with multiple figures (counting as one model) instead of one per base. Works well for skirmish pairs.
Gun crews are in 5s (not the Pendraken 4).
I'd certainly recommend getting some of the new guerrillas (in 10s).
Quote from: fsn on 18 May 2020, 07:50:56 PM
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For the British, I would go light dragoons (NBP13). They're not glamorous, but they are quit numerous in the Peninsula. If you want a bit more upmarket, I'd suggest some Hussars (NPB14), which I would paint as KGL Hussars. Portuguese cavalry was not numerous ... and not terribly effective.
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My understanding is that the KGL Hussars wore the light dragoons (NBP13) uniform in the Peninsular, but that's from memory
For P&R You could go 2-3 figs on a 2p but treat it as one figure. I've long said WH40k makes more sense this way.
SP 1st ed they suggest the bog standard line in 4s, with personalities etc singly based.
Quote from: mad lemmey on 18 May 2020, 09:23:24 PM
Dragoons by this period were shock cavalry. Dismounting was still done, but mainly for sneaky scouting, but the cavalry carbines had such atrocious range it was easier to be heavy cavalry.
Dragoons did a bit of everything in the Peninsula. They also seem to be lots of regiment represented - maybe 2/3 of French cavalry regiments in the Peninsula?
Quote from: paulr on 19 May 2020, 12:45:58 AM
My understanding is that the KGL Hussars wore the light dragoons (NBP13) uniform in the Peninsular, but that's from memory
The Dragoons became Light Dragoons, and the Light Dragoons became Hussars in 1813. If you want to go earlier, then I'd use KGL Light Dragoons.
Thanks all - lots of good info, so I can plan a few small purchases. It does seem a fair few can come from existing ranges, with some additions from the new not-kickstarter so don't have to wait till Xmas.
The idea of basing several 10mm figures on the same base as used for 28mm does have an appeal to me, and I have wondered about doing this for a few rules. For this project I'm sticking with the same number of figures for a unit, but in 10mm. Not least because I want something that will paint up quickly - I have too many projects that require lots of figures for a unit, so being able to do 6 or 12 figure units, and just 4 or 5 of those making a force should allow fairly quick progress.
There were several French Dragoon regiments that had no horses, so fought as line infantry but in Dragoons uniform.
Have fun whatever you do but for goodness sake learn the difference between nouns and adjectives its the Spanish Peninsula (noun) and the peninsular(adjective) war.
This a constant gripe of mine seeing as I live at the head of the Ards Peninsula lol
Quote from: Nirnman on 19 May 2020, 07:58:10 PM
Have fun whatever you do but for goodness sake learn the difference between nouns and adjectives its the Spanish Peninsula (noun) and the peninsular(adjective) war.
This a constant gripe of mine seeing as I live at the head of the Ards Peninsula lol
WTF?
Quote from: fred. on 19 May 2020, 08:11:57 PM
WTF?
That's exactly what I said....Then "
Why ?", when our postie turned up yesterday dressed as a wizard.
Massive white beard, too.
Did make me laugh....I made him stand there while I ran in, got the camera, and took a photo.
I think he did it to brighten everyone's day.
Cheers - Phil :)
'Muskets & Tomahawks' are expanding their rules from purely French & Indian Wars and American War of Independence to the War of 1812/Napoleonics and even the American Civil war. I like the card driven game system so you might want to consider that although the Napoleonic supplement is not yet available (then again, neither are the figures...).
With some Lights and Line for both sides that could make for an interesting game (do add some cavalry to force your opponent to do things he doesn't want to)!
Cheers,
Rob
Played M&T a few years ago when it first came out. While there were some good bits, it ultimately felt very random between the card activation and the random scenarios.
Placed an order for a few packs of Napoleonics today (along with a bunch of other stuff, eclectic springs to mind...) So can make a start with this, can then add a couple more packs from the not-KS too
I'm looking forward to seeing how you make out with this, Fred.
V/R,
Jack