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Title: Rules for Border Reivers
Post by: sunjester on 12 May 2020, 10:41:57 AM
Many years ago Richard Tyson and I put together a set of skirmish rules for 16th century Border Reivers, "Hot Trod and Red Hand".

I'd been asked if they are still available because the sites they had previously been published on have disappeared, so I've published them on my blog for anyone who wants them. https://grahamsgaming.blogspot.com/2020/05/hot-trod-red-hand.html
Title: Re: Rules for Border Reivers
Post by: Orcs on 12 May 2020, 10:57:58 AM
Another system we ought to get out again  :)
Title: Re: Rules for Border Reivers
Post by: Duke Speedy of Leighton on 12 May 2020, 12:53:16 PM
I would be up for that!  :D
Title: Re: Rules for Border Reivers
Post by: Nirnman on 12 May 2020, 02:16:12 PM
thanks for letting me download a copy as this is a period I've always been interested as my ancestors have either been highland cattle thieves *from Glencoe )or border rievers
Title: Re: Rules for Border Reivers
Post by: mmcv on 12 May 2020, 08:42:53 PM
Quote from: Nirnman on 12 May 2020, 02:16:12 PM
thanks for letting me download a copy as this is a period I've always been interested as my ancestors have either been highland cattle thieves *from Glencoe )or border rievers


I have it in good authority that one of my ancestors had to flee to Ireland and change his name after he punched the judge who was accusing him of unauthorised livestock procurement.

He was completely innocent I'm sure
Title: Re: Rules for Border Reivers
Post by: DaveH on 13 May 2020, 01:38:51 PM
It is showing an error now when I go to the blog post.
Title: Re: Rules for Border Reivers
Post by: sunjester on 13 May 2020, 05:31:10 PM
Quote from: DaveH on 13 May 2020, 01:38:51 PM
It is showing an error now when I go to the blog post.
Not sure why that should be, I've just had a look at it and it was OK. Someone has just downloaded a copy a few minutes ago.
Title: Re: Rules for Border Reivers
Post by: Last Hussar on 13 May 2020, 05:43:27 PM
Quote from: mmcv on 12 May 2020, 08:42:53 PM
I have it in good authority that one of my ancestors had to flee to Ireland and change his name after he punched the judge who was accusing him of unauthorised livestock procurement.

He was completely innocent I'm sure

Does innocent in this case mean "Successfully resisted arrest and got away"?
Title: Re: Rules for Border Reivers
Post by: Ithoriel on 13 May 2020, 05:43:40 PM
Quote from: DaveH on 13 May 2020, 01:38:51 PM
It is showing an error now when I go to the blog post.


I get the following message -

Blocked by X-Frame-Options Policy

An error occurred during a connection to accounts.google.com.

Firefox prevented this page from loading in this context because the page has an X-Frame-Options policy that disallows it.
Title: Re: Rules for Border Reivers
Post by: mmcv on 13 May 2020, 08:30:54 PM
Quote from: Last Hussar on 13 May 2020, 05:43:27 PM
Does innocent in this case mean "Successfully resisted arrest and got away"?

Is there another meaning?!

Quote from: Ithoriel on 13 May 2020, 05:43:40 PM

I get the following message -

Blocked by X-Frame-Options Policy

An error occurred during a connection to accounts.google.com.

Firefox prevented this page from loading in this context because the page has an X-Frame-Options policy that disallows it.

Might be because it's embedded in the post, trying a different browser may work, or else sunjester may be kind enough to post up the direct link which may work.
Title: Re: Rules for Border Reivers
Post by: Last Hussar on 13 May 2020, 10:17:02 PM
QuoteDoes innocent in this case mean "Successfully resisted arrest and got away"?

Is there another meaning?!

I hope he doesn't mind me posting this, but Sunjester isn't Australian because one of his forebears was thrown out of Australia for being TOO criminal.
Title: Re: Rules for Border Reivers
Post by: GrumpyOldMan on 13 May 2020, 10:46:34 PM
Hello

Tried it with both Firefox and Chrome, both refused to connect. Finally got it connecting with Firefox by using an add-on "Ignore x-frame Options" but then it wanted me to log into Google even though I was already logged in. At this point I threw my hands in the air.

Came back to see if there was as direct link available.

Cheers

GrumpyOldMan
Title: Re: Rules for Border Reivers
Post by: paulr on 14 May 2020, 01:59:18 AM
Quote from: Last Hussar on 13 May 2020, 10:17:02 PM
I hope he doesn't mind me posting this, but Sunjester isn't Australian because one of his forebears was thrown out of Australia for being TOO criminal.

I didn't that that was possible ;)
Title: Re: Rules for Border Reivers
Post by: sunjester on 14 May 2020, 05:57:48 AM
For those having problems with Google  ~X( here is a direct link.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1vXaSROfpvZr7d98_dyyWKjg3w2E5nKCs/view?usp=sharing
Title: Re: Rules for Border Reivers
Post by: Raider4 on 14 May 2020, 07:10:25 AM
That works, ta.
Title: Re: Rules for Border Reivers
Post by: DaveH on 14 May 2020, 08:50:30 AM
Got it now. Thanks.
Title: Re: Rules for Border Reivers
Post by: Ithoriel on 14 May 2020, 09:02:01 AM
Downloaded. Thank you!
Title: Re: Rules for Border Reivers
Post by: Scorpio_Rocks on 14 May 2020, 09:41:07 AM
Thanks for these  :-bd
Title: Re: Rules for Border Reivers
Post by: sunjester on 14 May 2020, 05:16:53 PM
Quote from: Last Hussar on 13 May 2020, 10:17:02 PM
I hope he doesn't mind me posting this, but Sunjester isn't Australian because one of his forebears was thrown out of Australia for being TOO criminal.
He chose to leave Australia, but had gone there after being thrown out of Canada!
Title: Re: Rules for Border Reivers
Post by: Raider4 on 14 May 2020, 06:25:51 PM
Quote from: sunjester on 14 May 2020, 05:16:53 PM
. . . after being thrown out of Canada!

Not nice enough?
Title: Re: Rules for Border Reivers
Post by: GrumpyOldMan on 15 May 2020, 04:53:19 AM
Quote from: sunjester on 14 May 2020, 05:57:48 AM
For those having problems with Google  ~X( here is a direct link.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1vXaSROfpvZr7d98_dyyWKjg3w2E5nKCs/view?usp=sharing

Got it, Thanks!!
Title: Re: Rules for Border Reivers
Post by: Sunray on 15 May 2020, 08:46:58 AM
Quote from: mmcv on 12 May 2020, 08:42:53 PM
I have it in good authority that one of my ancestors had to flee to Ireland and change his name after he punched the judge who was accusing him of unauthorised livestock procurement.

He was completely innocent I'm sure

I do a lecture on the clearance of the borders by James VI (I).  Entire families of Armstrongs, Elliotts, Kerrs had the choice of Fermanagh or the gallows.  Many families retained their light horse traditions and in the 1689 wars, formed a creditable defence against the Jacobites.  In the Williamite campaign they distinguished themselves at the Boyne, later becoming the 6th Inniskillen Dragoons. 

It all went bad for the Reivers  in 1603 when they followed the custom of mounting extensive raids in the confusion following the death of a monarch (in this case Elizabeth I) . However for the first time in "British" history,  the new English monarch was also King of Scotland, so, for the reiver, there was no escape.

Some of the Graham clan took to spelling their name backwards =  Maharg .  You still find them in the Borders and Galloway around Wigtownshire.
Title: Re: Rules for Border Reivers
Post by: Orcs on 15 May 2020, 09:54:13 AM
Quote from: mmcv on 12 May 2020, 08:42:53 PM
I have it in good authority that one of my ancestors had to flee to Ireland and change his name after he punched the judge who was accusing him of unauthorised livestock procurement.

He was completely innocent I'm sure

He can't have been innocentn, he had broken the 11th commandment "Thou shalt not be found out"
Title: Re: Rules for Border Reivers
Post by: FierceKitty on 15 May 2020, 10:45:09 AM
That wonderful line in Woman on Top: (speaking reprovingly to a buddy whose wife has left him after walking unannounced into the bedroom...) "When a man really, truly loves his wife, he never, ever lets her catch him."
Title: Re: Rules for Border Reivers
Post by: mmcv on 15 May 2020, 11:53:09 AM
Quote from: Sunray on 15 May 2020, 08:46:58 AM
I do a lecture on the clearance of the borders by James VI (I).  Entire families of Armstrongs, Elliotts, Kerrs had the choice of Fermanagh or the gallows.  Many families retained their light horse traditions and in the 1689 wars, formed a creditable defence against the Jacobites.  In the Williamite campaign they distinguished themselves at the Boyne, later becoming the 6th Inniskillen Dragoons. 

It all went bad for the Reivers  in 1603 when they followed the custom of mounting extensive raids in the confusion following the death of a monarch (in this case Elizabeth I) . However for the first time in "British" history,  the new English monarch was also King of Scotland, so, for the reiver, there was no escape.

Some of the Graham clan took to spelling their name backwards =  Maharg .  You still find them in the Borders and Galloway around Wigtownshire.

Interesting! Yes a few of my ancestors ended up in those parts, not sure if any were in the dragoons, must find out.

Quote from: Orcs on 15 May 2020, 09:54:13 AM
He can't have been innocentn, he had broken the 11th commandment "Thou shalt not be found out"

Very true!