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Title: 10mm American War of Independence
Post by: xccam on 01 May 2020, 02:57:04 PM
I have started painting up 10mm figures for the battle of Cowpens (1781), at a figure ratio of roughly 1:8, as a bit of a project for lockdown.

I have painted 24 figures to represent the approximately 180 soldiers of the 7th Royal Fusiliers.

(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-tqINAPHpURg/Xqw3gJlVzwI/AAAAAAAAAqE/6SaRtfNVUdQ10UK1noUGAV0iYJVAa4hvwCLcBGAsYHQ/s1600/7th%2BRoyal%2BFusiliers1.jpg)

(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-cMnohYJ2Jg4/Xqw3gAusymI/AAAAAAAAAqI/OwkYUAyBLso2fuGpZdviw-AWN7RECLQ8wCLcBGAsYHQ/s1600/7th%2BRoyal%2BFusiliers2.jpg)

The figures are based on 40x25mm bases using the rear 5mm for labels.
I think this gives a good looseness of files suitable for the battles on the North American continent.
Title: Re: 10mm American War of Independence
Post by: Glorfindel on 01 May 2020, 03:15:26 PM
Excellent painting - well done.
Title: Re: 10mm American War of Independence
Post by: Steve J on 01 May 2020, 03:36:33 PM
Wonderful work 8).
Title: Re: 10mm American War of Independence
Post by: mollinary on 01 May 2020, 04:03:36 PM
Lovely job, really does justice to Clib's excellent sculpts! 
Title: Re: 10mm American War of Independence
Post by: Norm on 01 May 2020, 04:06:54 PM
Lovely job
Title: Re: 10mm American War of Independence
Post by: mmcv on 01 May 2020, 04:25:08 PM
Excellent!
Title: Re: 10mm American War of Independence
Post by: xccam on 01 May 2020, 05:31:01 PM
Thank you for the kind words, I agree that they are fun sculpts, @mollinary!
Title: Re: 10mm American War of Independence
Post by: Westmarcher on 01 May 2020, 06:28:52 PM
Very nice, indeed! I'm currently reading my Osprey books on the Philadelphia campaign again and, suitably enthused, toying with the idea of starting a small Pendraken AWI collection. In the planning of such matters, numbers of figures and bases are a critical factor. Although my SYW battalions are 32 figures strong, I don't fancy going in so heavily this time and will probably approach unit size from a more 'minimalist' direction (e.g., 3 figs per base instead of 8 ). What rules did you have in mind when deciding on your unit size and basing regime?
Title: Re: 10mm American War of Independence
Post by: M113Grunt on 01 May 2020, 06:45:59 PM
Excellent modeling and brilliant paint work.
Title: Re: 10mm American War of Independence
Post by: Duke Speedy of Leighton on 01 May 2020, 06:53:12 PM
Very cool
Title: Re: 10mm American War of Independence
Post by: paulr on 01 May 2020, 08:42:25 PM
 :-bd =D> :-bd =D>

A fascinating battle

Westmarcher, 3 figures per base seems very low. The foot looks best in two ranks
Title: Re: 10mm American War of Independence
Post by: Techno on 01 May 2020, 08:49:28 PM
Excellent job on those  ! :-bd

Cheers - Phil
Title: Re: 10mm American War of Independence
Post by: xccam on 01 May 2020, 10:13:00 PM
Thank you all.

@Westmarcher, I don't really have any rules in mind, because the likelihood is that they will likely do much more sitting in boxes than they will do refighting any actual battles. I did mock up a quick ruleset which I may try to properly finish bodging together once both sides are completed, but that was more to help sketch out what I wanted to do with the figures and labels.

As for 8 to a base and 24 figures, I think 8 looks nicely spaced on those sized bases and at 1:8 figure ratio the 7th at Cowpens would be 22 figures and I see no harm in the extra 2!
Title: Re: 10mm American War of Independence
Post by: Shutuphippie on 02 May 2020, 04:11:02 AM
Great work  :-bd
Title: Re: 10mm American War of Independence
Post by: Noktu on 03 May 2020, 04:03:43 PM
Good contrast achieved with the painting and basing!
Title: Re: 10mm American War of Independence
Post by: Ace of Spades on 11 May 2020, 09:57:21 AM
Beautiful figures, a joy to paint. You certainly do them justice!

Cheers,
Rob
Title: Re: 10mm American War of Independence
Post by: steve_holmes_11 on 11 May 2020, 12:20:06 PM
Those are really beautiful.

I reflect that I've hardly lifted my brushes since the lockdown has begun.
Currently front of the queue are 15mm Indians (For Dragon Rampant) and 2mm Renaissance.

I've a cunning plan to save my £18.00 non-spend on railway tickets and use it to launch my 10mm Irregular Wars contingents.
Title: Re: 10mm American War of Independence
Post by: xccam on 11 May 2020, 08:33:48 PM
Thank you for all the kind comments.
First update of figures added since then -

The first 3 bases of the 71st Fraser's Highlanders
(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-F686mLoDJX4/Xrm1DCti_8I/AAAAAAAAAq4/hiG7nNyvFhcvWzsueoUkDUU0f3k7wLAvACLcBGAsYHQ/s1600/71st%2BFrasers%2BHighalnders1.JPG)

(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-NTY2U_eWPx8/Xrm1DvmCiVI/AAAAAAAAAq8/XksLRpIaOX4LdXusCrWdShHms0bidWrTQCLcBGAsYHQ/s1600/71st%2BFrasers%2BHighalnders2.JPG)

A 3-Pounder
(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-pCIY_kosSE8/Xrm0_dcT4YI/AAAAAAAAAqs/DGAkc_PhMVUZABa4YB2UxUqjDxTZnebBgCLcBGAsYHQ/s1600/3pdr%2B1.JPG)

(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-6PKWUUq2kgw/Xrm0-zaFFTI/AAAAAAAAAqo/YYcZjYQRnQMotMYpdZ74pAz1rPrTDRMvQCLcBGAsYHQ/s1600/3pdr%2B2.JPG)

Here is a group shot including the first 3 bases of the 7th Royal Fusiliers, 71st Fraser's Highlanders, Legion Cavalry (but not the 3pdr)
(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-vtAs-t-MTT8/Xrm1Furq29I/AAAAAAAAArA/ycPK5_6yelQuW691enSy0A2owolmprCxwCLcBGAsYHQ/s1600/7th%2B-%2B71st%2B-%2BLegion.jpg)
Title: Re: 10mm American War of Independence
Post by: Duke Speedy of Leighton on 11 May 2020, 09:49:58 PM
Excellent work on those
Title: Re: 10mm American War of Independence
Post by: Techno on 12 May 2020, 05:17:17 AM
They look great !!  :-bd

Cheers - Phil
Title: Re: 10mm American War of Independence
Post by: paulr on 12 May 2020, 07:30:15 AM
 :-bd =D> :-bd =D>
Title: Re: 10mm American War of Independence
Post by: Lord Kermit of Birkenhead on 12 May 2020, 07:46:08 AM
good stuff
Title: Re: 10mm American War of Independence
Post by: mmcv on 12 May 2020, 08:02:35 AM
Those are superb
Title: Re: 10mm American War of Independence
Post by: Sunray on 12 May 2020, 08:40:46 AM
Inspiring eye candy. In 2008, I was an exchange scholar in Tennessee got a chance to visit both Cowpens and Sycamore Shoals.

I was impressed by the futuristic and inspired tactics by Morgan of defence in depth which drew the Brits into double envelopment   A concept we don't readily associate with the musketry slogging matches and death or glory charges of the 18th Century.   

And all this with very limited tools for battle field management. 

Title: Re: 10mm American War of Independence
Post by: Westmarcher on 12 May 2020, 03:20:34 PM
Quote from: Sunray on 12 May 2020, 08:40:46 AM
Inspiring eye candy. In 2008, I was an exchange scholar in Tennessee got a chance to visit both Cowpens and Sycamore Shoals.

I was impressed by the futuristic and inspired tactics by Morgan of defence in depth which drew the Brits into double envelopment   A concept we don't readily associate with the musketry slogging matches and death or glory charges of the 18th Century.   


For the uninitiated, there is this concept of 18th century warfare being a line them up and slug it out in a fire fight but actually there was a lot more to many of the battles of the era; Howe and Cornwallis's flank attack at Brandywine whilst Knyphausen pinned Washington's front at Chadds Ford; the success of the flanking manoeuvre at Brooklyn/Long Island; the remarkable action at Paoli where Grey ordered the Brits to remove the flints on their muskets and successfully manoeuvred his force to carry out a night attack and rout a superior force with the bayonet only (a force which contrary to US propaganda was alerted and formed up); Morgan's tactics, again with a superior force, were tried by Greene at Guilford Court House but the Brits prevailed there (albeit it was somewhat of a Pyrrhic victory); in Europe, there was Frederick's dynamic victories at Leuthen (flank attack on a superior force) and Rossbach (fast moving re-deployment and attack); and so on.

I was lucky enough to have been taught about the Seven Years War and the AWI in school. I couldn't understand how Britain could be so successful in one but not the other until I read more about it in my adult years. Although ultimately the colonists won their independence (and their story is also to be admired) with the help of France, Spain and Holland, I was amazed to read that the British Army actually performed really well, adopting a new style of warfare (and uniforms) more suitable for the American theatre, winning more battles than losing them, often against superior numbers. If you haven't already done so, I recommend reading Mark Urban's Fusiliers (How the British Army Lost America but Learned How to Fight) and Matthew Spring's With Zeal & With Bayonets Only (The British Army On Campaign in North America 1775-1783).   

Back to Cowpens, here's a good little video on the action from the American Battlefield Trust.


Title: Re: 10mm American War of Independence
Post by: DaveH on 12 May 2020, 10:07:31 PM
Lovely paintwork on those.
Title: Re: 10mm American War of Independence
Post by: monkeynut on 14 May 2020, 08:36:06 AM
Beautiful looking units. Well painted and based. Hope to see more as always an inspiration to see other collections.

🐵
Title: Re: 10mm American War of Independence
Post by: Noktu on 19 May 2020, 05:50:37 AM
Looks stunning. However, maybe the dragoons could benefit from further gray highlights?

Currently the dark grey and dark green blend together making it hard to distinguish lines. Could be different when looked upon in real life though.
Title: Re: 10mm American War of Independence
Post by: xccam on 12 August 2020, 03:14:15 PM
A final update for the British aspect of this project - in truth the Legion are too dark, but having committed I'm going to leave them for now.

(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-dCQnbxy9lHc/XzQDm7HhRUI/AAAAAAAAAuw/vdw4pMvn_lg2iZ60bnJVn06y3IoriOjtQCLcBGAsYHQ/s1250/converged%2Blight%2Binfantry.jpg)

(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-thqPCCwqH6A/XzQD9oW9PAI/AAAAAAAAAvI/mR-mYKtlYZkVl0YxIzjb1BcH6y5UfFhSwCLcBGAsYHQ/s2000/British%2Bat%2Bcowpens.jpg)


A few more images are viewable on my blog https://xccamminiatures.blogspot.com/2020/08/10mm-british-army-for-battle-of-cowpens.html (https://xccamminiatures.blogspot.com/2020/08/10mm-british-army-for-battle-of-cowpens.html)
Title: Re: 10mm American War of Independence
Post by: Duke Speedy of Leighton on 12 August 2020, 03:36:25 PM
Nice work
Title: Re: 10mm American War of Independence
Post by: Nick the Lemming on 12 August 2020, 03:49:30 PM
Lovely work!
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Post by: fred. on 12 August 2020, 04:31:00 PM
Great stuff

Figures look great individually and en masse too
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Post by: mmcv on 12 August 2020, 09:04:02 PM
Those look fantastic
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Post by: Steve J on 12 August 2020, 09:15:13 PM
Fantastic work 8)!
Title: Re: 10mm American War of Independence
Post by: paulr on 13 August 2020, 03:53:35 AM
 :-bd =D> :-bd =D>
Title: Re: 10mm American War of Independence
Post by: Techno on 13 August 2020, 05:51:14 AM
Very nice, indeed !  :-bd

Cheers - Phil
Title: Re: 10mm American War of Independence
Post by: xccam on 13 August 2020, 08:13:54 AM
Thank you - I'll have to move on to the Americans soon!
Title: Re: 10mm American War of Independence
Post by: Westmarcher on 13 August 2020, 08:47:20 AM
Once again, admirable work, xccam!  :-bd

I'm also currently painting these lovely figures, trying out a new basing system that will be suitable for both skirmish level games like Rebels & Patriots and larger battles at regiment or battalion level. Having the AWI supplement, I'm currently looking at Black Powder for the latter. What rules do you propose to use? 
Title: Re: 10mm American War of Independence
Post by: Jesus on 29 December 2020, 01:25:28 AM
very nice
Title: Re: 10mm American War of Independence
Post by: paulr on 29 December 2020, 06:52:54 AM
Nice to see you back Jesus :)

And a belated happy birthday  ;) :-[
Title: Re: 10mm American War of Independence
Post by: FierceKitty on 29 December 2020, 07:11:02 AM
Quote from: paulr on 29 December 2020, 06:52:54 AM
Nice to see you back Jesus :)

And a belated happy birthday  ;) :-[

What did you get for your birthday? I'm guessing gold, frankincense, and myrrh....
Title: Re: 10mm American War of Independence
Post by: Lord Kermit of Birkenhead on 29 December 2020, 07:53:12 AM
Quote from: FierceKitty on 29 December 2020, 07:11:02 AM
What did you get for your birthday? I'm guessing gold, frankincense, and myrrh....

Throw him off the quater deck foer that un !
Title: Re: 10mm American War of Independence
Post by: Jesus on 29 December 2020, 04:50:04 PM

Many thanks. I'm glad to see you again and thank you for the welcome.
On my birthday they gave me many paints, brushes and ...... 2-magnification glasses    :) :)
Title: Re: 10mm American War of Independence
Post by: paulr on 29 December 2020, 06:32:59 PM
Quote from: FierceKitty on 29 December 2020, 07:11:02 AM
What did you get for your birthday? I'm guessing gold, frankincense, and myrrh....

Wot again :d

Quote from: Jesus on 29 December 2020, 04:50:04 PM
Many thanks. I'm glad to see you again and thank you for the welcome.
On my birthday they gave me many paints, brushes and ...... 2-magnification glasses    :) :)

Much better presents :)
Title: Re: 10mm American War of Independence
Post by: Martin1914 on 30 December 2020, 10:11:10 AM
Great painting. Highlanders and no tartan. Good choice!
Title: Re: 10mm American War of Independence
Post by: Lord Kermit of Birkenhead on 30 December 2020, 12:00:26 PM
In 10mm and 6mm Tartan is easy, just paint it dark green - the Vallejro tartan is to larger strip