Despite all the advice and warnings about social distancing, particularly in the current improved weather, the muppets are out!!
Do they not care about their health and that of other people? What to they not understand about the risks of contagion?
The result could well be a more sever lockdown for everyone!
😤😠😫☠️
Which they will still ignore....
Have to say most peps locally do try and stay the 2m but in shops it's damned difficult. Grange road, apart from the queue at ASDA, was deserted yesterday.
IanS
Our road quiet today compared to this week. Hardly seen a soul. However the ring road has been a constant source of noise from 7.00am onwards. Obviously a lot of people going out to God knows where?
Obviously they're all following the example of the Chief Medical Officer of Scotland, who spends all of her time hectoring the general public about only making essential journeys for the four reasons given, but then zooms off to her holiday home for the last couple of weekends.
"Follow my instructions, not my example" :o >:( :( =) =) =)
Quote from: Chad on 05 April 2020, 02:12:41 PM
Do they not care about their health and that of other people? What to they not understand about the risks of contagion?
Nah.....Not going to happen to them, is it?......And bogger (sic) everyone else.
Quote from: Raider4 on 05 April 2020, 03:51:53 PM
Obviously they're all following the example of the Chief Medical Officer of Scotland, who spends all of her time hectoring the general public about only making essential journeys for the four reasons given, but then zooms off to her holiday home for the last couple of weekends.
I wonder how long she'll be keeping that particular post ? =).....You couldn't make it up. :(
Cheers - Phil
She should be sacked, and possibly struck off the medical register.
There is no doubt, in accordance with the letter of government guidance, Ms. Calderwood is definitely in the wrong. She sets a very bad example and makes it more difficult to get the message of social distancing, etc, across. Government guidance states that "essential travel does not include visits to second homes whether for isolation purposes or holidays. People must remain in their primary residence. Not taking these steps puts additional pressure on communities and services that are already at risk."
[Although I do wonder where "Just checking to make sure my property is secure, that there has been no break in or burst pipes, Officer" fits in with the guidance. (I am not saying she said that by the way)]
However, I must admit that I am two minds about this matter. I'm not excusing her but if I was working all the hours with all the pressure she has in her position managing this crisis and I had a city home, personally I wonder how tempting it would be for me to travel to my second home at the weekend to recharge the batteries especially as it's only an hour away.
As this topic will testify, we've seen worse behaviour and as far as I am aware, she has otherwise remained in her own household bubble and observed social distancing which, surely, must be the primary objective. As for stepping down in the middle of this crisis, I don't think that is helpful. Afterwards? Yes, she should probably consider her position.
I could walk to the next village as part of my exercise routine but if I jump in my car to drive there on much quieter roads to start my walk (thus cutting down my potential exposure to other people by half an hour), some people start to ask, "Is that an essential journey?" When my son-in-law used to go out on his bike, he habitually covered something like 40 to 50 miles on major and minor roads. Does this mean that we should be banning cyclists because they cover a wider area than someone who only walks 3 or 4 miles and therefore more likely to create "additional pressure on communities and services that are already at risk?"
Also, interesting that Raider has felt hectored. Throughout this crisis I've never felt as if I've been subjected to loud, aggressive, bullying behaviour (see definition of 'hectored') from Calderwood or any one else for that matter. Until now, I've thought that people who have not been following guidelines, if not selfish, are basically not the sharpest tools in the box. However, could it be that others do in fact feel 'hectored' and thus resentful and uncooperative as a result? I wish I knew the answer. Stay healthy, everyone.
Quote from: Westmarcher on 05 April 2020, 05:59:40 PM
However, I must admit that I am two minds about this matter. I'm not excusing her but if I was working all the hours with all the pressure she has in her position managing this crisis and I had a city home, personally I wonder how tempting it would be for me to travel to my second home at the weekend to recharge the batteries especially as it's only an hour away.
It's the hypocrisy that sticks in the craw. She's the one giving out the advice of "Don't do this!". And then thinks it doesn't apply to her? Not much of "we're all in this together" spirit there, is there?
Quote from: Westmarcher on 05 April 2020, 05:59:40 PM
Also, interesting that Raider has felt hectored. Throughout this crisis I've never felt as if I've been subjected to loud, aggressive, bullying behaviour (see definition of 'hectored') from Calderwood or any one else for that matter.
I meant in the spirit of "bossily telling others what to do". If that's not what hectoring means, then I've mis-used it. Sorry.
Quote from: Raider4 on 05 April 2020, 06:13:51 PM
I meant in the spirit of "bossily telling others what to do". If that's not what hectoring means, then I've mis-used it. Sorry.
And just to clarify, there's nothing wrong with bossily telling others what to do, especially in the present climate.
As Ithoriel said, it's the "Follow my instructions, not my example" that's the problem.
what is wrong with people, the answer is simple, "THEY'RE ASSHOLES!!
Gordoin
Just remember 50% of the population are below average intelligence!
Oh, for a eugenic plague that took that as a guideline.
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Ms. Calderwood is arrogant or stupid, probably both, she has lied about how many times she visited her holiday home and she should have been sacked not allowed to resign. No doubt she'll have a generous pension and another well paid job through the "old boy" network.
Regards,
Martin
OK so we're one senior medical person light now, with her three deputies shifted onto 7 day weeks to compensate the shortfall.
I don't see the Sun's "essential journey" Photographer, Piers "W*****r" Morgan of any of the other press pack who celebrated anther scalp volunteering to empty bedpans.
Quote from: steve_holmes_11 on 06 April 2020, 06:25:30 PM
OK so we're one senior medical person light now, with her three deputies shifted onto 7 day weeks to compensate the shortfall.
Only one person is responsible for that.
Regardless of what her expert roles encompassed, her public persona was in delivering the single most important message of the Government's strategy to stay at home, save lives and protect the NHS and to deliver that advice with conviction and authority. ................... Fail (with implications)!
Its OK, it only reflects badly onto Wee Jimmie Krankie (AKA Nichola Sturgeon) and that wee sh*te has no chance of my vote if she ever gets her Indy Ref 2 (has she forgotten that it will in fact be number 3 1979, 2014 and the 12th of never)
Gordon
Quote from: GordonY on 06 April 2020, 07:19:11 PM
Its OK, it only reflects badly onto Wee Jimmie Krankie (AKA Nichola Sturgeon) and that wee sh*te has no chance of my vote if she ever gets her Indy Ref 2 (has she forgotten that it will in fact be number 3 1979, 2014 and the 12th of never)
Ah, but don't forget that these referendums are once in a
lifetime generation things.
Where 'generation' has been re-defined to mean 'as often as possible until we get the result we want' . . .
Quote from: steve_holmes_11 on 06 April 2020, 06:25:30 PM
OK so we're one senior medical person light now, with her three deputies shifted onto 7 day weeks to compensate the shortfall.
"Stay home. Protect the NHS. Save lives."
She obviously doesn't believe it, why should we?
But there are so many people out there with that attitude.
I was out yesterday delivering food to my daughter & son in law who have CV19 (& 7 month old grand-son - who doesnt) when I got cut up on a dual carriageway by a posse of 4 supercharged cars and a bunch of young lads & girls out joy-riding on the empty roads - clearly flouting just about every restriction going - as well as the speed limit and the lock-down.
Some people seem to think rules just dont apply to them
Boris Johnson has just been moved into Intensive Care!
On indyref, we were told that unless we voted Yes we would leave the EU and our living standards would fall but not to worry because if anything major changed we would get another vote.
We're leaving the EU, living standards are falling and we're in the middle of a major health crisis in which the Scottish Parliament has been several days ahead of the Westminster one in taking necessary actions. We're due another vote.
On the Chief Medical Officer, people in her position (like Ceasar's Wife) need to be above suspicion.
On a lighter, and hopefully less controversial, note BBC 24hr News channel's subtitles have just referred to Dominic Raab as the "defective deputy Prime minister." I trust that should have read de facto :D
Personally I think that if any of the countries that make up the UK want independence, all of the countries in (or left in) the UK should be allowed to vote on whether that country is given independence as it has an effect on all of them.
Quote from: Norm on 06 April 2020, 07:53:37 PM
Boris Johnson has just been moved into Intensive Care!
I have little respect for the man or his politics, but in these difficult times, my heart goes out to him and those close to him. I pray he, and all others facing the same ordeal,
comes through this time of trial safely.
Fingers crossed for your daughter and son-in-law Mark. A friend of ours had to have the ambulance out to him yesterday as they're pretty sure he has Covid-19. They gave him antibiotics (his chest was infected) and he seems to be on the mend, which is good.
As for Boris, I wish him well and all the others in the same position. Whatever you think of the man, he's been doing the best he can in a situation the World has never had to deal with before.
Quote from: Big Insect on 06 April 2020, 07:28:00 PM
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I was out yesterday delivering food to my daughter & son in law who have CV19 (& 7 month old grand-son - who doesnt) ...
Fingers crossed for them
What is it with Health officials X_X
The New Zealand Minister of Health has been demoted and stripped of his non-health roles after driving his family 20km (12miles) so they could have a walk on a beach
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/120859271/health-minister-stripped-of-portfolios-after-taking-beach-trip-amid-lockdown (https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/120859271/health-minister-stripped-of-portfolios-after-taking-beach-trip-amid-lockdown)
The Prime Minister has made it very clear that he is an idiot and the only reason he hasn't been sacked is that the time required to bring someone else up to speed would impact our efforts against Covid-19
He has at least admitted that he felt "like a complete dick" when he realised his mistake. There is a good chance that he will not stand for Parliament at the next election
QuoteHe has at least admitted that he felt "like a complete dick" when he realised his mistake.
Is... that an actual quote? If so, remarkable honesty, we could do with more of that!
Yes, it's the "Ceaser's Wife" thing, isn't it? You can't say one thing and do another, certainly not for trivial reasons (lot of people just don't have the support to say keep food incoming by magic so HAVE to go to the shop).
But there's none so bad for ignoring health issues as doctors (don't smoke or drink, loose some weight, says the cigar chewing port swilling overweight doc...).
Perhaps the idiots should have a word with a mate of mine, who is a dental technician (he makes amazing false teeth etc). He's been repurposed into a support nurse for COVID-19 cases. Training technically good, but he had a very sh*t day yesterday as it didn't cover what to do when your patients die. As they did.
Quote from: Steve J on 06 April 2020, 08:50:34 PM
Fingers crossed for your daughter and son-in-law Mark.
Same from me, Mark !
Best wishes - Phil
Quote from: Steve J on 06 April 2020, 08:50:34 PM
Fingers crossed for your daughter and son-in-law Mark. A friend of ours had to have the ambulance out to him yesterday as they're pretty sure he has Covid-19. They gave him antibiotics (his chest was infected) and he seems to be on the mend, which is good..
Many thanks Steve - eldest daughter (in London) is now heading towards recovery - she said the weirdest thing was how it played havoc with her taste buds - at one point all she could taste was sweet things and then on a hyper-sensitised basis - she said she could put a tea spoon of honey in her mouth and it was a taste explosion - but she couldn't taste salt or chilli or sour.
Youngest & her hubby are in the grumpy, depressive stage of the virus - no taste - headache like a hang-over - and sneezing a lot - the sneezing appears to be a good sign as that was what happened when my eldest started to throw it off.
I have a pal, who's son-in-law had it badly - coughing up blood at one point - but then he is/was a very heavy smoker. He's made a full recovery thankfully.
Hope you & your lad are coping with the lock-down - as stated on Linked-In there are a whole host of people for whom a lock-down is a bigger challenge than for those of us more fortunate.
Mostly excellent there Mark, I hope the best outcomes come out from where they are.
It's all getting a bit awkward.
Thanks - my 7 month old grandson seems to have come out of it best - threw it off in under 5 days - mostly coughing and fever and is now as right as rain.
So clearly his primary diet of stewed chard, coconut yogurt and falafels is to be recommended! :o
Yeah, kids seem to be (mostly) able to bounce through it better, which is good. At least for them!
Reminds me, I didn't get any lunch... to the highly nutritious crisp cupboard!
Can't believe it but my neighbours seems to have visitors including kids which we can hear/see from our back garden.
A few tennis balls have come over the fence but we are not throwing them back now as they may be a virus risk.
No strange cars in the street as everyone is home except the wifey two doors down who is an NHS employee.
Good grief.
I can't say I'm surprised, it was a bit similar here - BUT people have taken it much more seriously this last week or so, I think...
One of the not so local chavs has been roaring around on his motorbike which doesn't have a silencer, so obviously not following the government advice >:(
Quote from: paulr on 07 April 2020, 02:11:55 AM
He has at least admitted that he felt "like a complete dick" when he realised his mistake. There is a good chance that he will not stand for Parliament at the next election
Quote from: toxicpixie on 07 April 2020, 10:44:18 AM
Is... that an actual quote? If so, remarkable honesty, we could do with more of that!
...
Perhaps the idiots should have a word with a mate of mine, who is a dental technician (he makes amazing false teeth etc). He's been repurposed into a support nurse for COVID-19 cases. Training technically good, but he had a very sh*t day yesterday as it didn't cover what to do when your patients die. As they did.
Yes it is an actual quote, he said it on one of our national morning news programs
He has made it clear it was wrong and has not tried to offer any excuses
My thoughts are with your mate and all the health workers who are having to cope with a lot more death than most of us will ever be exposed to
My wife works as a support worker in the community and has attended way to many funerals of clients :(
I hope that COVID-19 will mean in the future people will not be so complacent and dismissive; I attended a wargames competition a month back and one of the competitors who is very proud of his PHD was pontificating on how COVID was no worse than the flu and it was all hysteria.
We've seen that a lot, less so now the reality is obvious (and too late :/).
Quote from: flamingpig0 on 07 April 2020, 10:18:38 PM
I attended a wargames competition a month back and one of the competitors who is very proud of his PHD was pontificating on how COVID was no worse than the flu and it was all hysteria.
It'll be interesting to see the figures, once COVID 19 is 'kicked into touch'......And
bloody horrifying to think how many
more would have died if we (by that I mean 'The World', and not just individual countries) hadn't taken the action, currently in place.
The WHO estimate that something between 290,000 & 650,000 people die from 'influenza' each year. :o :o..But many, many people have some sort of 'immunity' to 'ordinary flu'....So that doesn't cause such 'a worry'.....
and we can have 'jabs' for a lot of the strains....(I do, every year, now).
290-650,000 is still a pretty dire total. :(
COVID 19 is a real 'new kid on the block', and in 'realistic' terms no-one has
any form of immunity.....That's why there's all the "hysteria" =) from Governments
There'll be people at the end of this, who are likely to say, "Well....ordinary flu has been attributed to more deaths than COVID-19...so where was the problem ?"
Personally, I'm not 'frightened' by the thought of the 'ordinary' flu strains.....But COVID 19 is a completely different matter.
Hope that all makes sense.....You all keep safe....and those of you that are suffering in one way or another (personally or family members)....You know we all send you our very best wishes.
Cheers - Phil
I heard somewhere that there were fewer than normal deaths in China during the shut down as there was far less air pollution !
Yes, I've seen that mentioned - the drop in air pollution is likely to mean a big drop in death and chronic conditions for related diseases.
From an anecdotal PoV it seems right - B'ham has *terrible* air quality (big city, traffic, industry, in a geographical "bowl"), and a few days after people started self locking down it improved massively, and my sinuses & lungs cleared right up.
And now we've entered pollen season which is an arse, as they've just locked right back up again :D
Stop having freaky plant sex, plants!
Quote from: toxicpixie on 08 April 2020, 09:13:08 AM
Stop having freaky plant sex, plants!
At least in toxicpixie's sinuses & lungs :-&
:D
My mission, should I choose to accept it, is to concrete EVERYTHING and sanitise anything I can't with fire.
Note, before anyone mentions it, neither of those options include my lungs and sinuses :D
I'd rather the daily "Have I got Coronavirus? No, just asthma and allergies" dance than the "Have I... Yes. sh*t" one though.
My hayfever, dont notice it anymore, I was de-sensitized in 75/6/7 - mind you as was a cop on West Kirby front I must have infected half the kids on the Wirral.Had to wear a jacket to carry the tissues I needed. TOO HOT.
Quote from: toxicpixie on 08 April 2020, 09:13:08 AM
And now we've entered pollen season which is an arse, as they've just locked right back up again :D
Our cat has started it's annual hunting season - butterfly after butterfly is being dragged into the house and dropped at our feet.
"Behold, the mighty hunter!"
Quote from: ianrs54 on 08 April 2020, 10:46:35 AM
My hayfever, dont notice it anymore, I was de-sensitized in 75/6/7 -
I don't really notice mine much anymore either * :-bd.......The nasal sprays I've got in the cupboard are probably past their use by date...as are the asthma inhalers.
Only things that are likely to set me off nowadays, are the mould spores from badly stored or 'cruddy' hay.
Cheers - Phil (*I'll probably regret writing that. ;))
To the original question: Because we are all operating within the range of our original design specifications.
An observation from Reddit
The spread of the coronavirus is affected by two main factors
1. how dense the population is.
2. how dense the population is.
:D :D :D
;D :-bd
;D ;D ;D
But also sadly true
There needs to be a club for the normal man (not the sort you apply to the skull with malicious intent). It could be called DENSA.
Given some of the stories in the news, there would be a huge amount of members to this club :(.
Quote from: Ithoriel on 13 April 2020, 10:02:17 PM
An observation from Reddit
The spread of the coronavirus is affected by two main factors
1. how dense the population is.
2. how dense the population is.
:D :D :D
Spot on. ;D ;D ;D
Quote from: Steve J on 14 April 2020, 05:53:31 AM
Given some of the stories in the news, there would be a huge amount of members to this club :(.
Sadly true. :(
Cheers - Phil
Remember no-one ever went broke by underestimating the herd intelligence of of the population...
Quote from: Ithoriel on 13 April 2020, 10:02:17 PM
An observation from Reddit
The spread of the coronavirus is affected by two main factors
1. how dense the population is.
2. how dense the population is.
:D :D :D
;D ;D =D> Currently meeting them almost everyday.
A motorcyclist on what I suspect was a non-essential journey has just been chased at speed down our street by a Police car with lights and siren going :o X_X >:(
Our street is a minor side street with traffic calming, including narrowing and speed bumps
Fortunately most of the kids from one of the houses opposite who have been playing in the street, all staying in their bubble, had gone inside. The one kid who was on the street got out of the way in time #:-S
Not sure if they got him, could hear the sirens for a few more minutes before they disappeared in the distance
At the weekend the Bristol ring road by us sounded like a GP race track, with motorbikes hairing down it at full revs. Then each evening the local chavs have been riding their off road bikes up and down the cycle path >:(.
Perhaps they're confused, and think this classes as daily exercise.......Idiots. =)
Cheers - Phil
Quote from: Ithoriel on 13 April 2020, 10:02:17 PM
An observation from Reddit
The spread of the coronavirus is affected by two main factors
1. how dense the population is.
2. how dense the population is.
:D :D :D
Very true.
Quote from: Steve J on 23 April 2020, 05:50:38 AM
At the weekend the Bristol ring road by us sounded like a GP race track, with motorbikes hairing down it at full revs. Then each evening the local chavs have been riding their off road bikes up and down the cycle path >:(.
Snipers. That should sort it.
Na - GPMG on tripod, no need to aim then :d
Oy vay, what's all this pogrom in today's posting?