Is there any support for the Panzer II Ausf L, frequently called the Luchs or Lynx?
It is a Panzer II on steroids with a very different road wheel arrangement.
Chris
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Yes please.
It would certainly be a nice addition to the fold, that's for sure.
Quote from: ianrs54 on 27 February 2020, 08:32:02 AM
But its NOT a Centurion :-
There are two types of tanks: Centurions and targets. :D
Quote from: ianrs54 on 27 February 2020, 08:32:02 AM
But its NOT a Centurion :-
Yes plze
Just use it as a Centurion. I understand its only the fun that matters - I even heard that some people use Carthaginian quadriremes as Japanese destroyers ;)
It isn't proper to discuss such things in the mess!
Not a lot got produced (about 100?) and it came at a time in the war when the German was not doing much by way of reconnaissance .
However, that does not take away from what in a model appeals to wargamers !
Let us see what interest the thread generates. :)
The pitifully few operators of the 100 vehicles built are listed here:
https://www.wargamevault.com/product/98752/G214-Panzer-II-Luchs-Units-19431945-all-theatres
Mark
;D ;D =O =D>
Quote from: John Cook on 27 February 2020, 12:42:25 PM
Just use it as a Centurion. I understand its only the fun that matters - I even heard that some people use Carthaginian quadriremes as Japanese destroyers ;)
;D ;D ;D
Quote from: Noktu on 27 February 2020, 12:31:09 AM
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Baby Tiger.
Quote from: Sunray on 27 February 2020, 02:22:36 PM
Not a lot got produced (about 100?) and it came at a time in the war when the German was not doing much by way of reconnaissance .
However, that does not take away from what in a model appeals to wargamers !
Let us see what interest the thread generates. :)
Wehrmacht need no reconaissance.
In Soviet Russia, Red Army finds YOU.
Looking at the lists the limit is 1, plus if using historical orbats, there are only a few units that actually received them.
I think a Scout carrier or a Bren carrier for the Brits in France and early North Africa might be more profitable from a Pendraken business perspective. ;)
As usual Shapeways have them, but they're £11 each.
As usual butlers printed models have them, but they're £1.43 each. ;)
Quote from: Dr Dave on 28 February 2020, 09:55:21 AM
As usual butlers printed models have them, but they're £1.43 each. ;)
Really? I see a 1:144 Panzer II in 12mm at £1.93, but no Panzer II Luchs at any price.
Quote from: John Cook on 28 February 2020, 10:26:15 AM
Really? I see a 1:144 Panzer II in 12mm at £1.93, but no Panzer II Luchs at any price.
Soz, I was referring to the carriers that Pendraken don't make. You're right. There's no Luch. :(
Pithead did one. But due to so many of us being "blacklisted" I have no idea how many were sold.
As I said earlier - a lot wargamers tend to buy that what appeals - not any strict adherence to an army list or how many of an AFV actually was on issued.
Pithead still does. I have several of them, a complete carrier platoon at 1:1. Almost all my 1940 kit is Pithead simply because Phil Ireson produces stuff that nobody else does and I tend to keep with one manufacturer for particular projects. I've never been blacklisted. There is no 'blackist' as such and such talk is just nonsense. He runs Pithead as a hobby and his consequent policy in the context of regular supporting customers can be seen on his FaceBook page. It is clear enough.
Quote from: Dr Dave on 28 February 2020, 10:44:23 AM
Soz, I was referring to the carriers that Pendraken don't make. You're right. There's no Luch. :(
No problem. I haven't bought anything from Butler's. Some of the pics suggest that they'll need a lot of work. What are they like?
Quote from: John Cook on 29 February 2020, 12:06:04 AM
Pithead still does. I have several of them, a complete carrier platoon at 1:1. Almost all my 1940 kit is Pithead simply because Phil Ireson produces stuff that nobody else does and I tend to keep with one manufacturer for particular projects. I've never been blacklisted. There is no 'blackist' as such and such talk is just nonsense. He runs Pithead as a hobby and his consequent policy in the context of regular supporting customers can be seen on his FaceBook page. It is clear enough.
Assuming you're on Facebook, presumably.
As far as I'm concerned, if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck ...
Quote from: John Cook on 29 February 2020, 12:06:04 AM
Pithead still does. I have several of them, a complete carrier platoon at 1:1. Almost all my 1940 kit is Pithead simply because Phil Ireson produces stuff that nobody else does and I tend to keep with one manufacturer for particular projects. I've never been blacklisted. There is no 'blackist' as such and such talk is just nonsense. He runs Pithead as a hobby and his consequent policy in the context of regular supporting customers can be seen on his FaceBook page. It is clear enough.
I was not referring to carriers but the elusive Luchs ! Yes, Pithead had a Luchs on the website shop [sic].
Tell you what - let's signpost Chris, FSN, Ian and Steve to order from Pithead. What do you need lads? A troop of four models each? Will that qualify you as a Regular Supporting Customer ?
As a wargamer of 50 + years of dice rolling I DO hope you get your order. I get a kick out of seeing the hobby prosper and the pleasure it brings. Most wargaming manufactures in general - and Leon & Dave in particular - go well out of their way to oblige, get gamers started or cater of odd ball requests.
Be you a long term regular or an unknown fresh start up order, its that kindness and decency that generates the good will/loyalty of the Pendraken brand.
And the quality of the product.
Good luch with that
I have the pithead luchs.
Was one of the only ones i needed that i couldn't have from pendraken so i ordered one. Think i got a few carriers in that order as well, and schwimmwagens
Quote from: mad lemmey on 29 February 2020, 04:30:01 PM
Good luch with that
You really deserve a good slap for that, Will. ;)
Cheers - Phil
Oh please! ;D :-*
SLAP !! ;)
Cheers - Phil
Luchs like Will just got assaulted....again ! :D
You can have a SLAP, too......You Muppet. ;)
Cheers - Phil
I bite back ;)
You leave my back alone. ;D ;D ;D
Cheers - Phil ;)
Quote from: Ithoriel on 29 February 2020, 02:23:04 AM
Assuming you're on Facebook, presumably.
As far as I'm concerned, if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck ...
No, you don't need to be 'on' Facebook to view Facebook pages. I'm not.
Quote from: Sunray on 29 February 2020, 11:54:17 AM
I was not referring to carriers but the elusive Luchs ! Yes, Pithead had a Luchs on the website shop [sic].
Tell you what - let's signpost Chris, FSN, Ian and Steve to order from Pithead. What do you need lads? A troop of four models each? Will that qualify you as a Regular Supporting Customer ?
As a wargamer of 50 + years of dice rolling I DO hope you get your order. I get a kick out of seeing the hobby prosper and the pleasure it brings. Most wargaming manufactures in general - and Leon & Dave in particular - go well out of their way to oblige, get gamers started or cater of odd ball requests.
Be you a long term regular or an unknown fresh start up order, its that kindness and decency that generates the good will/loyalty of the Pendraken brand.
My mistake. This thread has taken a few turns such that it is sometimes difficult to know which post is being referred to.
Pithead no longer has a website shop as it generated more orders than Phil could handle. Pithead is a one-man band and the only place he 'advertises' now, if you can call it that, is on Facebook, for both his WW2 miniatures and 1:1200 ships.
Be all that as it may, I see you are a relative newcomer to the hobby :D But, if we are comparing wargaming CVs, I started out in 1959 when a friend of my father, who was a member of the BMSS, recommended I read HG Well's Little Wars, but I'd been collecting Britains model soldiers for some time before that. At about the same time he introduced me to a magazine called Wargames Digest. It was an American publication produced by Jack Scruby and edited in the UK by Donald Featherstone. Don founded Wargamers Newsletter in the early 1960s. I subscribed to it from the start and I see that my autographed copy of his book Wargames is dated 1962. Apart from the occasional hiatus when the army posted me to places where gaming wasn't possible, I haven't stopped since. That makes it over 60 years now.
I have never, ever, had anything but cordial relationships with any of the wargaming businesses I have ordered from over those years. Leon at Pendraken, in particular, has indeed been always more than helpful.
So has Phil Ireson at Pithead who has been kind enough to produce, and continues to produce, specific models for my ongoing 1940s project. He has never refused me an order, small or large, and has never been anything other than supportive and obliging. As a result, he has my good will and loyalty.
Well said
Quote from: John Cook on 02 March 2020, 12:50:12 PM
My mistake. This thread has taken a few turns such that it is sometimes difficult to know which post is being referred to.
Pithead no longer has a website shop as it generated more orders than Phil could handle. Pithead is a one-man band and the only place he 'advertises' now, if you can call it that, is on Facebook, for both his WW2 miniatures and 1:1200 ships.
Be all that as it may, I see you are a relative newcomer to the hobby :D But, if we are comparing wargaming CVs, I started out in 1959 when a friend of my father, who was a member of the BMSS, recommended I read HG Well's Little Wars, but I'd been collecting Britains model soldiers for some time before that. At about the same time he introduced me to a magazine called Wargames Digest. It was an American publication produced by Jack Scruby and edited in the UK by Donald Featherstone. Don founded Wargamers Newsletter in the early 1960s. I subscribed to it from the start and I see that my autographed copy of his book Wargames is dated 1962. Apart from the occasional hiatus when the army posted me to places where gaming wasn't possible, I haven't stopped since. That makes it over 60 years now.
I have never, ever, had anything but cordial relationships with any of the wargaming businesses I have ordered from over those years. Leon at Pendraken, in particular, has indeed been always more than helpful.
So has Phil Ireson at Pithead who has been kind enough to produce, and continues to produce, specific models for my ongoing 1940s project. He has never refused me an order, small or large, and has never been anything other than supportive and obliging. As a result, he has my good will and loyalty.
Question for you John, Do you purchase much gear from Pendraken in terms of WW2 vehicles and figures? Would you describe yourself as a regular Pendraken customer? I must caution you before you answer that an admission may throw Mr Ireson into a tantrum. I had purchased over £100 of gear from him before he blacklisted me on the charge that "I was only ordering items not available from other manufacturers" . Please note I NEVER requested the "special" models reserved for extra loyal customers, but my money (including MoD pension) is as good as the next gamer, and at that time he was advertising on the open market and "trading" as a bona fide business.
If he as wound down his operation to just casting for mates, then fair enough. Let him and Pithead rest in peace. :)
Quote from: Sunray on 05 March 2020, 01:15:47 AM
Question for you John, Do you purchase much gear from Pendraken in terms of WW2 vehicles and figures? Would you describe yourself as a regular Pendraken customer? I must caution you before you answer that an admission may throw Mr Ireson into a tantrum. I had purchased over £100 of gear from him before he blacklisted me on the charge that "I was only ordering items not available from other manufacturers" . Please note I NEVER requested the "special" models reserved for extra loyal customers, but my money (including MoD pension) is as good as the next gamer, and at that time he was advertising on the open market and "trading" as a bona fide business.
If he as wound down his operation to just casting for mates, then fair enough. Let him and Pithead rest in peace. :)
Since you ask, yes, I am a regular Pendraken customer. I only have electronic banking records going back to April 2011 and I see that since then I spent £3208 with Pendraken, on a variety of periods ancient and modern, including WW2, but I'm afraid I can't say how much I spent on each period.
During the same period I spent £3364 with Pithead, all early WW2. The reason for this is manifold. I keep a project to the same manufacturer as much as possible, Pithead make models that are not available elsewhere and, finally, Phil Ireson has been happy to make models specifically for my 1940 project. So my early WW2 are almost exclusively Pithead models.
Phil Ireson has never objected to me placing an order for WW2 models with other manufacturers. including Pendraken and Magister Militum. Why would he?
I have to make a confession to the forum...
I seek forgiveness for having three non-Pendraken vehicles in my collection. I understand that even though this represents less than 1% of my WWII vehicles, it could be considered the thin end of the wedge. I therefore promise to try harder in the future.
Your humble servant...
X_X ;)