I only just now noticed that a lot of the vehicles I could not find and assumed non-existing for the US are actually in the British list :o, no doubt because the British used them too, I can see that, but it's a bit of a pain to keep track, my knowledge on the matter is not really good enough to know by heart what type of US equipment is used by the British under what name, so I'm worried that I have been missing things. Is there any intention to complete the US listing or to otherwise indicate US equipment lend-leased to the British?
I agree that a cross-posting of items could help here. But if you are looking for specific items, just ask. I built my US Army using the appropriate items 1) from the British list.
1) Except for the Shermans, that is. My tank battalion is probably the only one in the whole US army that kept their skirts on. :-[ May want to change that sometime, but not now.
It does need to be rationalised with some items moved across e.g. the M4A4 was used almost exclusivley by the British but the non-skirted versions are in the US list although they could easily represent M4 and early M4A2 versions. Also the M4A2 variant listed in the British list is the later version of that mark I believe (welded, with the flat glacis as on M4A3) which was not used by the Brits although I think the Russians did. Also I do not know of any use of the M20 by Britain/Commonwealth although the M8 was used by Recce units in Italy.
Most British Shermans were M4A1 or M4A4. The bulk of M4A2 went to USSR, as they were deisil, both UK andUS used petrol for the military. Some did turn up in British service, in middle east ?. The Serman V(A4) is the one you cant substiute for any others as its noticibly longer. I dont know if the Pendraken on is, but my H&R Firerflies are noticibly longer.
IanS
M4A2 was indeed used in NA, Sicily & Italy by the Brits and I believe they were used for DD's but these were not the M4A2 as represented by the Pendraken model. They had protruding hoods for the driver & co-driver hatches the Pendraken model has the ones like on the M4A3. Ian is of course correct in saying the M4A4 had a longer hull, I cannot comment on wether this is the case with Pendraken as I don't have any other marks to compare it to.
Aaargh. This isn't helping :-[ Is the M4A4 the one with the 17 pounder? Or the M4A2? According to my info the US mainly used the M4A3 75 W, M4A3 76 W, M4A3 105 W, and the M4A3E2 with 75 and later 76 mm cannon. I didn't even know the US had skirts on their Shermans.
I have like 15 M4 models from pendraken, some in a blister called Nikfest Sherman (M4A4) 8), some from a US BKC pack called Sherman 75 and Sherman 76, some ordered US codes, There are 2 different turrets, probably for both cannons, although the 75 gun looks a little longer than on my picture references. All the hulls are identical. I understood the E2 is different, but not the M4A4?
The M4A4 was called the Sherman V by the British and the Sherman Vc was the 17pdr armed Firefly. Other marks were used but V/M4A4 was the most common. My own preference is for tanks without the skirts Normandy onwards, most pictures I have seen of British Shermans are that way only a few with mainly Firefly incidently. Not sure how common they were on US tanks. IIRC the skirts were intended for desert use anyway. I would use the M4A2 Pendraken models for the US as they give the right look IMHO even though it is the wrong mark.
The 75 and 76 guns had different turrets and the E2 had a turret like the 76 but only had a 75mm gun.
Looking at the contents of that pack I think you should have one turret were the gun is slightly shorter and thicker than the 75 too as it is armed with a 105 Pendraken ref A12.
Nope, I have the BKC American starter pack (2 of them) with 6 Sherman 75 and 3 Sherman 76 per pack. I was hoping I could paint half in US colors and half in British colours, but now I'll have to check very thoroughly if that will work.
I was looking at a different pack then.
Well the colour would be the same the Brits did not repaint lend lease vehicles unless they had to and by 1944 the British tank colour was the same as OD anyway although it did weather differently. Even though most US Shermans were M4A3 they did use others with the raised hood hatches so it's ok for them as long as you're not worried about the hull length thing. The 76mm ones are a bit tricking for the Brits though, they were used in Italy but a few units but AFAIK only the Poles in NWE and I don't know which marks they were.
Seems that it was the Sherman IIa or M4A1 76 that the Poles got and the same in Italy atleast according the the orders of battle from the BFWW2 website so not really useable there. Looks like your yanks will have a lot of Sherman 76 then.
We can duplicate any of the products into different areas of the website, so if I get chance to knock up a list, I'll make sure they appear in both the US/British sections.
Quote from: Leon on 06 January 2011, 01:38:17 PM
We can duplicate any of the products into different areas of the website, so if I get chance to knock up a list, I'll make sure they appear in both the US/British sections.
Leon, you're a (*) as usual. :)
The following need to appear in the US list (those with * were not used by Britain AFAIK so should really be removed from Brit list)
BR21, BR32*, BR34*, BR35*, BR36*, BR37, BR42, BR43*, BR44, BR45, BR46, BR47, BR48, BR50*, BR64, BR70, BR102, BR109
And these need to be added to the Brit list
A7, A10, A17
Many could also be added to the Russian list but I'm not too sure on exactly what they got.
OK, that's a start, thank you!
Quote from: NTM on 06 January 2011, 03:12:17 PM
The following need to appear in the US list (those with * were not used by Britain AFAIK so should really be removed from Brit list)
BR21, BR32*, BR34*, BR35*, BR36*, BR37, BR42, BR43*, BR44, BR45, BR46, BR47, BR48, BR50*, BR64, BR70, BR102, BR109
And these need to be added to the Brit list
A7, A10, A17
Right then, I've duplicated those on the website. Because of the behind-the-scenes product lists, the Brit codes now appear at the beginning of the American range, and the American stuff at the end of the British range!
I won't bother deleting anything from either range though, as they need to match up with the catalogue.
Thank you Sir!
On a similar note there's some crossover with French tanks that appear in the WW1 [FT17s & Char variants] listing but which should also go into the WW2 one - as well as the Char B1 - currently in the German list which could do with duplicating too...ditto the T26B & BT5 in the SCW lists...
Hi Rudy,
the following website has a couple of new articles on the Sherman tank, with some nice illustrations as well which helps explain the difference between each mark.
http://warandgame.com/
As for the Sherman with the 17pdr gun, this was the British Firefly. The American equivalent IIRC was the Sherman with the 76mm gun. search for some images of the Firefly and you can clearly see the difference in the turret and the gun.
Hope this helps.
Steve J.
OK, reading up on that this evening. Thanks a lot for the info, Steve!