I was doing a distillery tour today and the guide happened to mention that the owner liked to collect old vehicles and tanks and pointed out a Russian tank behind the warehouse. So of course after imbibing a few samples of their whisky, gin and poitin while the weather cleared I had a dander down for a nosey. The tour guide didn't know for sure what it was, said various designations at different times, usually a T-32, T-34 or T-36. I've only started getting into 20th century warfare so my knowledge is limited in the matter. I'm sure the esteemed members of this forum will know better:
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What is this tank?
They mentioned he owned quite a few and was considering opening a bit if a museum on the grounds in the future, will be good if they do!
I also came home to my delivery of 2mm Crimean Russians, so good day all around!
T34-85
Thanks!
Yes, T34/85 without a doubt.
My daughters could have answered that one.
Quote from: jimduncanuk on 15 February 2020, 06:35:05 PM
My daughters could have answered that one.
Look, this is schoolboy stuff. You should know this stuff MMCV. You're probably thinking it's not your thing, but show me a stick with a sharp metal end and I know it's a spear... or a pike... or a javelin thingy. I can spot a pilum, or a group of pila? Anyhow, you need to start revising.
So what's the difference between a javelin and a throwing spear thing? I have no idea. :(
Nice find.
Quote from: jimduncanuk on 15 February 2020, 06:35:05 PM
My daughters could have answered that one.
Glad to hear your daughters are well educated in 20th century warfare!
Quote from: Dr Dave on 15 February 2020, 06:56:02 PM
Look, this is schoolboy stuff. You should know this stuff MMCV. You're probably thinking it's not your thing, but show me a stick with a sharp metal end and I know it's a spear... or a pike... or a javelin thingy. I can spot a pilum, or a group of pila? Anyhow, you need to start revising.
;D ;D ;D
Alas, mid century Russian tank nomenclature wasn't on the syllabus when I was at school..I've been self educating but have only got up to the T-26 so of course a T-34 is a little beyond my current understanding. ;)
Quote from: Dr Dave on 15 February 2020, 06:56:02 PM
So what's the difference between a javelin and a throwing spear thing? I have no idea. :(
My thinking is a throwing spear is a broader term of a number of spears that could be thrown but potentially also used as a standard spear. A javelin would be a fairly light throwing spear and not much use hand to hand so was very much specialised to throwing. But of course when it comes to the thousands of years of human warfare where spears have been used there's a lot of variety. Not like the modern stuff which can be pinned down to name, model, serial number, country, factory and what the foreman had for lunch that day!
Quote from: Norm on 15 February 2020, 07:09:14 PM
Nice find.
Yes was a bit of a surprise, not at all what I expected to find at a distillery!
Quote from: mmcv on 15 February 2020, 07:17:32 PM
Yes was a bit of a surprise, not at all what I expected to find at a distillery!
A man has to protect his booze...
Quote from: petercooman on 15 February 2020, 07:28:33 PM
A man has to protect his booze...
Well this is it, was positioned beside where they kept the whisky barrels. My question is where are the other tanks stored, I can only assume carefully hidden in tactical positions ready to pounce on any potential liquor thieves...
Was it delivering or picking up?
Quote from: fsn on 15 February 2020, 07:35:08 PM
Was it delivering or picking up?
Maybe be was trying to convert it to run on vodka, like the crew would have.
Quote from: mmcv on 15 February 2020, 07:40:12 PM
Maybe be was trying to convert it to run on vodka, like the crew would have.
Vodka was normally stored in the radiators.
Interestingly enough they do make some feckin' vodka* there. Maybe he keeps a stash in the tank radiator for emergencies. Perhaps it adds to the flavour.
*I'm not being crude, that's the name of the vodka.
Vodka is unflavoured gin, which is unflavoured whiskey...
Now that should start a fight where you do need a t-34!
Quote from: mad lemmey on 16 February 2020, 12:11:48 AM
Vodka is unflavoured gin, which is unflavoured whiskey...
Now that should start a fight where you do need a t-34!
Gin is the cheap drinkable perfume that all the new whisky distilleries are making to pay the bills while they're waiting for their golden nectar to take it's time maturing to its full glory. ;)
Just FYI. The coloring looks pretty good, but the Russians seldom painted red stars on their vehicles. The more common thing would be some patriotic slogan or maybe the Guards insignia.
"A red star was painted on the frontal part of the turret above or below the tactical marking. Very rarely it was painted on the front of the recoil mechanism of the tank gun (below the barrel). In Guards units, sometimes guard emblem was applied on the turret. Very rarely national emblem was applied."
Terry
The size and position of the red star might suggest Chinese markings ?
I suspect the star was added later, since the colour dont look Russian to me.
Memories raised by the "First Plastic Kit" thread have reminded it me that I had 1/76 Airfix T-34 that ended up being painted exactly like that. I presume that I followed the Airfix painting guide, because I had no other information to go on.
How about we call it 'Tim' ? :D
Quote from: Raider4 on 19 February 2020, 01:56:21 PM
Memories raised by the "First Plastic Kit" thread have reminded it me that I had 1/76 Airfix T-34 that ended up being painted exactly like that. I presume that I followed the Airfix painting guide, because I had no other information to go on.
Yes! and it had red star decals ! Is it a big Airfix kit injected with steroids ?
Quote from: mmcv on 15 February 2020, 07:17:32 PM
Glad to hear your daughters are well educated in 20th century warfare!
;D ;D ;D
Alas, mid century Russian tank nomenclature wasn't on the syllabus when I was at school..I've been self educating but have only got up to the T-26 so of course a T-34 is a little beyond my current understanding. ;)
My thinking is a throwing spear is a broader term of a number of spears that could be thrown but potentially also used as a standard spear. A javelin would be a fairly light throwing spear and not much use hand to hand so was very much specialised to throwing. But of course when it comes to the thousands of years of human warfare where spears have been used there's a lot of variety. Not like the modern stuff which can be pinned down to name, model, serial number, country, factory and what the foreman had for lunch that day!
Yes was a bit of a surprise, not at all what I expected to find at a distillery!
You'll be telling us next you never had an Airfix T34 kit.
A childhood wasted I think you'll find...
Quote from: andys on 19 February 2020, 08:43:08 PM
You'll be telling us next you never had an Airfix T34 kit.
A childhood wasted I think you'll find...
Alas it is so!
I do think I had a model plane kit, either a Spitfire or a Lancaster, or possibly both, though based on the little enamel paint tin I found recently I believe it was Revell not Airfix...