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Title: Is this how one sculpts figures
Post by: Aksu on 30 January 2020, 05:35:23 PM
Those railway figure sculptors seem to have all the fun..
https://www.preiserfiguren.de/showpage.php?Models_und_Modelle&SiteID=48 (https://www.preiserfiguren.de/showpage.php?Models_und_Modelle&SiteID=48)
Cheers,
Aksu
Title: Re: Is this how one sculpts figures
Post by: Shedman on 30 January 2020, 06:07:54 PM
 ;)

I'd forgotten the vast range of stuff

Elastolin for instance

https://www.preiserfiguren.de/showpage.php?Neuheiten_2020/Elastolin_Sammlerfiguren_Massstab_1_25&SiteID=147
Title: Re: Is this how one sculpts figures
Post by: petercooman on 30 January 2020, 06:58:32 PM
No wonder Phil sometimes cuts his fingers, probably watching the model!

I wonder how long he took to sculpt keira...
Title: Re: Is this how one sculpts figures
Post by: Techno on 31 January 2020, 08:16:17 AM
Cheek !!  ;)

But it's a bit of a coincidence regarding the railway figures.

I had to go down to the Doc's yesterday afternoon, to do a preemptive strike strike on a 'bronchitis bug'...wot I seem to have acquired. (Hit it before it gets really horrid !)

Anyway...sitting in the waiting area with a number of other folk....ALL who seemed to have nasty coughs...and were probably of the same mind set as yours truly, I looked for something to read from the pile of magazines.
There were load of railway model type mags, so I flicked through one of those...You never know, I might spot a useful article as regards the models.
The pics of sculpts that Aksu has linked to, look an awful lot better than the ones on the magazines, which I think were 00 scale. (What does that equate to ?......20 - 25mm tall for a figure ?)

Keira ?.....Not long.....The worst part was trying to make a 'male dolly' look vaguely female...and try and make the face as androgynous as possible.....Female faces, I find, are one of the hardest things to do, at this size.

As far as 'watching the model'.........I know I've already mentioned this....But having the tablet in front of me on the table, loaded with relevant pics, helps enormously.
There must be 20 photos of sodding bears on it, at the moment. :P

Cheers - Phil ;)



Title: Re: Is this how one sculpts figures
Post by: petercooman on 31 January 2020, 09:13:19 AM
So what pictured were on your tablet when you sculpted kiera then?
Title: Re: Is this how one sculpts figures
Post by: steve_holmes_11 on 31 January 2020, 09:31:17 AM
00 was 4mm to the foot, meaning a man would be 22 or 23mm to the top of his head.

One of the great hobby confusions is that railway gauges were often quotesd as the length of a scale foot.

A wargamer reading about 7mm scale might assume that Heroics and Ros or Baccus had suffered a bit of a scale creep.
The railway man would be talking about a scale where people are around 40mm tall.

Vice versa, the wargamer mght show off his new even bugger skirmish scale figures to a railway man, and a heated discussion over their scale would ensue.
Title: Re: Is this how one sculpts figures
Post by: FierceKitty on 31 January 2020, 09:49:48 AM
Quote from: steve_holmes_11 on 31 January 2020, 09:31:17 AM

...even bugger skirmish scale figures....


We're getting to the bottom of a serious issue here.
Title: Re: Is this how one sculpts figures
Post by: Orcs on 31 January 2020, 09:57:13 AM
Quote from: FierceKitty on 31 January 2020, 09:49:48 AM
We're getting to the bottom of a serious issue here.

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Is this how one sculpts figures
Post by: Techno on 31 January 2020, 12:31:39 PM
Quote from: petercooman on 31 January 2020, 09:13:19 AM
So what pictured were on your tablet when you sculpted kiera then?

I didn't have a tablet then, Peter. Only had that since Christmas.

I think I just found a pic.....left it on the PC's screen.....and then kept turning to check it....Giving myself a crick in the neck.
Can't do that in the room I make the wee models now....The screen's completely side on to desk.

Cheers - Phil
Title: Re: Is this how one sculpts figures
Post by: Lord Kermit of Birkenhead on 31 January 2020, 01:43:56 PM
Well laptops dont react well to green stuff, or coffee or hot chocolate.
Title: Re: Is this how one sculpts figures
Post by: petercooman on 31 January 2020, 03:17:05 PM
Quote from: Techno on 31 January 2020, 12:31:39 PM
I didn't have a tablet then, Peter. Only had that since Christmas.

I think I just found a pic.....left it on the PC's screen.....and then kept turning to check it....Giving myself a crick in the neck.
Can't do that in the room I make the wee models now....The screen's completely side on to desk.

Cheers - Phil

Fair enough.

I still picture you in a room with every inch of the wall covered in photographs though....
Title: Re: Is this how one sculpts figures
Post by: Techno on 31 January 2020, 04:47:31 PM
Quote from: ianrs54 on 31 January 2020, 01:43:56 PM
Well laptops dont react well to green stuff, or coffee or hot chocolate.

But you don't mention Bovril, Ian. :-\

Quote from: petercooman on 31 January 2020, 03:17:05 PM
I still picture you in a room with every inch of the wall covered in photographs though....

Peter, The only things actually on the wall of this room are a clock, a small piece of slate with the Welsh Dragon carved into it, my bit of Ian Miller artwork, some wall lights.....and the light switches.  ;D

(There are quite of few bits of furniture against the wall......and most of my CDs, in cabinets. ;))

Cheers - Phil.


Title: Re: Is this how one sculpts figures
Post by: petercooman on 31 January 2020, 07:25:34 PM
Quote from: Techno on 31 January 2020, 04:47:31 PM
But you don't mention Bovril, Ian. :-

Peter, The only things actually on the wall of this room are a clock, a small piece of slate with the Welsh Dragon carved into it, my bit of Ian Miller artwork, some wall lights.....and the light switches.  ;D

(There are quite of few bits of furniture against the wall......and most of my CDs, in cabinets. ;))

Cheers - Phil.




Off course, you removed the evidence after Keira was sculpted  :D
Title: Re: Is this how one sculpts figures
Post by: Sandinista on 31 January 2020, 09:39:46 PM
Quote from: Techno on 31 January 2020, 08:16:17 AM
photos of sodding bears
I don't think I'd enter that in my search engine ;-)

Cheers
Ian
Title: Re: Is this how one sculpts figures
Post by: Raider4 on 31 January 2020, 09:57:06 PM
Quote from: Sandinista on 31 January 2020, 09:39:46 PM
I don't think I'd enter that in my search engine ;-)

Bravo, sir! That elicited a genuine LOL.
Title: Re: Is this how one sculpts figures
Post by: Ithoriel on 31 January 2020, 10:05:41 PM
16 Sep 2009 - The re-sodding of Soldier Field is "not a surprise to the Bears, and they said they are not overly concerned about it."
Title: Re: Is this how one sculpts figures
Post by: Lord Kermit of Birkenhead on 01 February 2020, 07:52:10 AM
Quote from: Techno on 31 January 2020, 04:47:31 PM
But you don't mention Bovril, Ian. :-
and most of my CDs, in cabinets. ;))

Mine loves Bovril. And CD'S, wouldna ha thought you had advanced as far as wax cylinders
Title: Re: Is this how one sculpts figures
Post by: Techno on 01 February 2020, 08:32:11 AM
Quote from: ianrs54 on 01 February 2020, 07:52:10 AM
And CD'S, wouldna ha thought you had advanced as far as wax cylinders.

Nah....Those are all in the attic, along with the 'singing' bluestone rocks from up the road.

(Can't get Emerson, Lake & Palmer on wax cylinders, or Pink Floyd.....or Yes.......continue ad nauseam) :D

Cheers - Phil
Title: Re: Is this how one sculpts figures
Post by: Lord Kermit of Birkenhead on 01 February 2020, 11:46:32 AM
Presumably if you ius modeling Norse you play the 1st track from side 2 of Led Zep III (the imigrants Song)....

And you can get all dose on plastic, and cassette.
Title: Re: Is this how one sculpts figures
Post by: Duke Speedy of Leighton on 01 February 2020, 11:51:50 AM
I have an 8 track of Meddle Phil...
Title: Re: Is this how one sculpts figures
Post by: Techno on 01 February 2020, 01:45:57 PM
Quote from: mad lemmey on 01 February 2020, 11:51:50 AM
I have an 8 track of Meddle Phil...

But that will split 'Echoes' into bits, Will.... ;D ;D ;D

(Love that track.)

Quote from: ianrs54 on 01 February 2020, 11:46:32 AM
Presumably if you ius modeling Norse you play the 1st track from side 2 of Led Zep III (the imigrants Song)....And you can get all dose on plastic, and cassette.

Love that track, too..with that nice Mr Plant warbling what sounds like a refrain from Bali H'ai......I don't have my vinyl version of that, anymore...Just on CD. :)

Cheers - Phil.






Title: Re: Is this how one sculpts figures
Post by: Lord Kermit of Birkenhead on 01 February 2020, 04:31:47 PM
Dont ever ever put Bat out of Hell on a car music system, itcauses an immediate traffic jam.... :'( :'( :'(
Title: Re: Is this how one sculpts figures
Post by: Duke Speedy of Leighton on 01 February 2020, 07:12:09 PM
As any Pratchett/Gaiman fan knows, any CD left in any car will automatically turn into Queens Greatest Hits...
Title: Re: Is this how one sculpts figures
Post by: Raider4 on 01 February 2020, 07:52:38 PM
That's tapes (yes, the book is that old), and it's Best of Queen.
Title: Re: Is this how one sculpts figures
Post by: FierceKitty on 02 February 2020, 12:38:55 AM
A word like best is a bit uncomfortable applied to Queen.
Title: Re: Is this how one sculpts figures
Post by: Techno on 02 February 2020, 07:58:03 AM
Well...

They did have a little more success than The New Vaudeville Band...and even they've got a 'Best Of'. (No I haven't got that CD, I looked it up on Amazon.)

That's got a 5 star rating  :o.....(Mind you it's only got two reviews)...One of those wouldn't be from your good self, would it, Alexander ?  ;))

Cheers - Phil
Title: Re: Is this how one sculpts figures
Post by: FierceKitty on 02 February 2020, 11:08:23 AM
I don't really vote for anything later than Beethoven (except Wagner and Dave Brubeck).
Title: Re: Is this how one sculpts figures
Post by: Ithoriel on 02 February 2020, 11:36:31 AM
Saw Queen live a couple of times, great live act.

"Beelzebub has a devil for a sideboard!" :)
Title: Re: Is this how one sculpts figures
Post by: Ithoriel on 02 February 2020, 11:36:57 AM
Quote from: FierceKitty on 02 February 2020, 11:08:23 AM
I don't really vote for anything later than Beethoven (except Wagner and Dave Brubeck).

Best of Beethoven ... 90 minutes of silence.
Title: Re: Is this how one sculpts figures
Post by: FierceKitty on 02 February 2020, 12:07:17 PM
I love the comment on the Big Three:

Bach's music tells you what it's like to be the universe.

Mozart's music tells you what it's like to be human.

Beethoven's music tells you what it's like to be Beethoven.

To which I'd like to add:

Brahms' music tells you what it's like to be bored.
Title: Re: Is this how one sculpts figures
Post by: steve_holmes_11 on 02 February 2020, 01:34:53 PM
Quote from: Ithoriel on 02 February 2020, 11:36:57 AM
Best of Beethoven ... 90 minutes of silence.

Classics - as the author heard them.
Title: Re: Is this how one sculpts figures
Post by: Techno on 02 February 2020, 02:00:38 PM
Quote from: FierceKitty on 02 February 2020, 11:08:23 AM
I don't really vote for anything later than Beethoven (except Wagner and Dave Brubeck).

And I'll bet you're going to tell me that you don't like the prelude to Act III of Lohengrin.

That's without doubt one of my favourite pieces of 'classical music'.
In a way, I'm glad ELP didn't have a go at 'reinterpreting' that one.

Quote from: Ithoriel on 02 February 2020, 11:36:31 AM
"Beelzebub has a devil for a sideboard!" :)

Spare him his life from these pork sausages.  ;D ;D ;D

Quote from: Raider4 on 01 February 2020, 07:52:38 PM
That's tapes (yes, the book is that old), and it's Best of Queen.

I've got  a feeling that in the TV 'film' that the tapes become CDs, Martyn. :-\
I could only bear to watch that adaptation once....Very disappointing (for me) and it's one of my favourite books.

Cheers - Phil
Title: Re: Is this how one sculpts figures
Post by: Duke Speedy of Leighton on 02 February 2020, 02:04:52 PM
I'm loving it so far.
Title: Re: Is this how one sculpts figures
Post by: Techno on 02 February 2020, 02:24:13 PM
Of the six 'episodes', I really only enjoyed episode 4, Will.

I'll probably watch it again, in a few months.....and then wonder why I disliked it so much, the first time.  ;)

Cheers - Phil
Title: Re: Is this how one sculpts figures
Post by: FierceKitty on 02 February 2020, 02:29:02 PM
Quote from: Techno on 02 February 2020, 02:00:38 PM
And I'll bet you're going to tell me that you don't like the prelude to Act III of Lohengrin.

That's without doubt one of my favourite pieces of 'classical music'.
In a way, I'm glad ELP didn't have a go at 'reinterpreting' that one.

Spare him his life from these pork sausages.  ;D ;D ;D

I've got  a feeling that in the TV 'film' that the tapes become CDs, Martyn. :-
I could only bear to watch that adaptation once....Very disappointing (for me) and it's one of my favourite books.

Cheers - Phil


Except that Tennant is perfect as Crawley.
Title: Re: Is this how one sculpts figures
Post by: Techno on 02 February 2020, 03:16:20 PM
That....I would concede.  :)

He did a damn fine job !...Perfect casting.

Like I say.....I'll probably watch it again, in a while, and wonder why I hated it so much the first time.

Cheers - Phil
Title: Re: Is this how one sculpts figures
Post by: Raider4 on 02 February 2020, 06:02:19 PM
Only watched the first episode so far, not impressed. One of my favourite books, and I remember it being funny. Can't remember anything even remotely chuckle-able from the TV version.

Quote from: FierceKitty on 02 February 2020, 02:29:02 PM
Except that Tennant is perfect as Crawley.

Ehh, trying too hard for me. And Michael Sheen is just doing an impersonation of Derek Jacobi as Cadfael.
Title: Re: Is this how one sculpts figures
Post by: Raider4 on 02 February 2020, 06:06:35 PM
Quote from: Techno on 02 February 2020, 02:00:38 PM
I've got  a feeling that in the TV 'film' that the tapes become CDs, Martyn. :-

I assume the book is written as being 'now' at the time of publication (1990), and the tapes are mentioned at the time of Adam's birth - i.e. 11 years previously. So, 1979. And tapes are perfect for that timeframe.

Then I assume the TV version is happening as 'now' - i.e. now! - so even CDs are now obsolete. But perfect for 11 years ago.
Title: Re: Is this how one sculpts figures
Post by: FierceKitty on 02 February 2020, 06:38:51 PM
CDs still do a dam' good job with music where quality counts.
Title: Re: Is this how one sculpts figures
Post by: Raider4 on 02 February 2020, 07:21:27 PM
Quote from: FierceKitty on 02 February 2020, 06:38:51 PM
CDs still do a dam' good job with music where quality counts.

Not saying they don't, but most people I know just connect their phone to the ICE system and play music from there.

The exceptions I know are my wife - who has all of her stuff on a USB drive plugged into the ICE - and me, who just listens to the radio.
Title: Re: Is this how one sculpts figures
Post by: FierceKitty on 02 February 2020, 07:29:58 PM
Less popular, that I don't deny. Hardly obsolete.
Title: Re: Is this how one sculpts figures
Post by: Techno on 03 February 2020, 06:42:09 AM
Absolutely !  :)

Cheers - Phil


Title: Re: Is this how one sculpts figures
Post by: sunjester on 03 February 2020, 08:15:42 AM
We have all our music on CDs. OK, I've also got mp3s on the computer in the games room/office at the bottom of the garden.....and a bunch of stuff on shelac 78s for the gramophone....but in the house it's on CDs. When we want to play music, we browse the shelves, often finding something else we had forgotten about, find the album and put it on to listen to.

Fiends of our have gone all "high-tech" with a wireless house and no real music, everything accessed through the demon that is "Alexa".
A typical exchange goes:
"Do you want to play some music, we can access just about anything?"
"Can you play They raided the Joint by Hot Lips Page*?"
"Oh course. Alexa, play They raided the Joint by Hot Lips Page."
Music starts.
"Stop. No, Alexa, play They raided the Joint by Hot Lips Page."
Music starts.
"Stop. No, Alexa, play They raided the Joint by Hot Lips Page."
Music starts.
"Stop"
Repeat ad infinitum until we give up an play something off their regular playlist.

*Substituent just about any other sodding song by any other sodding musician who isn't on the family play lists!
Title: Re: Is this how one sculpts figures
Post by: PeterEm99 on 03 February 2020, 10:00:30 AM
I used to have a vinyl single of the New Vaudeville Band's "Finchley Central" - easily the second best song ever about a North London suburb.  The best?  The paean by the late great Willie Rushton to Neasden:

"The traffic lights, the yellow lines, the illuminated signs, all say welcome to the borough that everybody's pleased in...."

A worthy counterpart to Sellers' "Balham, Gateway to the South". My copy came as a flexi-disk taped to the cover of Private Eye (anyone else remember these?) Nowadays YouTube is your friend...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rndzo8PoDAE

Peter
Title: Re: Is this how one sculpts figures
Post by: Techno on 03 February 2020, 10:41:46 AM
Flexi discs ?

Certainly do, Peter !  X_X X_X X_X

Got some of those in the attic.  :-[

Cheers - Phil