I've a number of aquatic creatures I'd like to base.
I'd like to portray them partly in water, so here's the concept.
Texture the base as the sea/river floor and attach figure(s).
Create a retaining box (cofferdam).
Pour in the "water" and wait for it to set.
Can the wise heads here recommend a material to use as water.
Needs to be transparent, and not shrink excessively when it dries.
I'd heard good things about PVA, but my experiment dried to a very opaque finish.
Thanks
You can get modelling pellets from good modelshops that are used by railway chaps for water effects. Not sure how thick you can get it to go though.
Clear epoxy glue.
(https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-VG49T5WKU-k/VK5KC8stvQI/AAAAAAAAN40/o7cjJVguzlw/s1600/making-ponds-25.jpg)
I would personally try varnish, have a look at my guide for making Ponds and Swamps (https://www.10mm-wargaming.co.uk/2010/09/making-ponds-and-swamps.html)
Take care
Andy
Matt J did this amazing boat - VV4 from the US Vietnam range (from this thread http://www.pendrakenforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,12587.0.html (http://www.pendrakenforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,12587.0.html))
(http://www.pendraken.co.uk/ProductImages/VV4.JPG)
I'm sure Matt described the way he did it in a on the forum - a method similar to yours IIRC - but unfortunately I can't find it using the forum's search!
Cheers!
Meirion
Thanks Meirion, I forgot I had that lying in a box somewhere.
I used the water beads as mentioned by SteveJ and you can go quite thick 5-10mm.
I paint and base the river bed as normal including flock/grass then pour the stuff over when melted. Then you need some skill because this stuff dries real quick and you end up with rolling hills. I use a soldering iron to level it off and add ripples. The good thing is you can keep working it with the iron until you get the desired finish just make sure you clean the iron frequently otherwise you end up with lost of burnt stains in your water (a few actually add to the murky look)
Used the same formula on the stream below
(https://i.imgur.com/aRzfdAh.jpg)
This YouTuber has a load of videos on ways of doing it, including some pretty cheap ones with epoxy.
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLnVRVFrYeiMJCrjBww6nEB-Ru2BovTsC0
I noticed Lidl have some cheap epoxy glue on at the moment so might have to stock up. Been wanting to do an oasis terrain piece for a while so will be interested to see how you get on.
I'm probably not the first to say it, Matt, but you're good.
Thanks FK
You should see my 28mm stuff ;)
I use vallejo still water, with patience...
Be warned that epoxy glue yellows with age, often going almost amber. And it sort of dries out and gets brittle. I'd stick with the 'water beads'.
Quote from: Womble67 on 11 October 2019, 10:55:57 AM
(https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-VG49T5WKU-k/VK5KC8stvQI/AAAAAAAAN40/o7cjJVguzlw/s1600/making-ponds-25.jpg)
I would personally try varnish, have a look at my guide for making Ponds and Swamps (https://www.10mm-wargaming.co.uk/2010/09/making-ponds-and-swamps.html)
Take care
Andy
Very nice, and specific brand of varnish?
I don't want one that yellows as it dries.
Quote from: O Dinas Powys on 11 October 2019, 11:57:38 AM
Matt J did this amazing boat - VV4 from the US Vietnam range (from this thread http://www.pendrakenforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,12587.0.html (http://www.pendrakenforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,12587.0.html))
(http://www.pendraken.co.uk/ProductImages/VV4.JPG)
I'm sure Matt described the way he did it in a on the forum - a method similar to yours IIRC - but unfortunately I can't find it using the forum's search!
Cheers!
Meirion
Yess, that's almost exactly the effect I'm looking for.
Except I'd have crocs or mermaids floating about in mine.
Quote from: Steve J on 11 October 2019, 05:52:58 PM
Be warned that epoxy glue yellows with age, often going almost amber. And it sort of dries out and gets brittle. I'd stick with the 'water beads'.
I could use a link to a supplier, if you don't mind.
My search for water beads yielded https://teachpreschool.org/2012/05/26/the-wonderful-world-of-water-beads/
Gelatinous blobs that grow if you add water.
This is the sort of thing I was thinking of:
https://anticsonline.uk/N523/N536/N1256_Materials/index.html (https://anticsonline.uk/N523/N536/N1256_Materials/index.html)
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Woodland-Scenics-Realistic-Water-16/dp/B000A7PPOE/ref=pd_sbs_21_t_1/257-1849308-2585844?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=B000A7PPOE&pd_rd_r=cf12b311-20b7-441c-9d37-0e51ca517a96&pd_rd_w=x9FLA&pd_rd_wg=aUeDP&pf_rd_p=e44592b5-e56d-44c2-a4f9-dbdc09b29395&pf_rd_r=XW5745PCQ04AYNQPYBR7&psc=1&refRID=XW5745PCQ04AYNQPYBR7 (https://www.amazon.co.uk/Woodland-Scenics-Realistic-Water-16/dp/B000A7PPOE/ref=pd_sbs_21_t_1/257-1849308-2585844?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=B000A7PPOE&pd_rd_r=cf12b311-20b7-441c-9d37-0e51ca517a96&pd_rd_w=x9FLA&pd_rd_wg=aUeDP&pf_rd_p=e44592b5-e56d-44c2-a4f9-dbdc09b29395&pf_rd_r=XW5745PCQ04AYNQPYBR7&psc=1&refRID=XW5745PCQ04AYNQPYBR7)
Hope this helps?
Quote from: steve_holmes_11 on 11 October 2019, 06:19:05 PM
Yess, that's almost exactly the effect I'm looking for.
Except I'd have crocs or mermaids floating about in mine.
I have heard the mermaids singing, each to each....
The horror, the horror.
There
are connexions.
Quote from: FierceKitty on 11 October 2019, 03:03:01 PM
I'm probably not the first to say it, Matt, but you're good.
No.....He's just showing off. ;)
It IS rather splendid, isn't it ! :-bd
Cheers - Phil
I have not found anything better than Vallejo 'Still Water' 26.230 which is liquid and pourable and finds its own level - good for puddles, ponds and small lakes etc. Alternatively there is Vallejo 'Water Texture' 26.201. This is a gel and has to be applied with a brush or palette knife. It is perfect for moving water, the wake of ships, rivers etc. The latter can be applied over the former or in conjunction with it. A word of advice - once applied, to avoid dust and other particles spoiling your work, make sure these mediums are covered while they dry/set.
Quote from: Steve J on 11 October 2019, 08:12:18 PM
This is the sort of thing I was thinking of:
https://anticsonline.uk/N523/N536/N1256_Materials/index.html (https://anticsonline.uk/N523/N536/N1256_Materials/index.html)
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Woodland-Scenics-Realistic-Water-16/dp/B000A7PPOE/ref=pd_sbs_21_t_1/257-1849308-2585844?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=B000A7PPOE&pd_rd_r=cf12b311-20b7-441c-9d37-0e51ca517a96&pd_rd_w=x9FLA&pd_rd_wg=aUeDP&pf_rd_p=e44592b5-e56d-44c2-a4f9-dbdc09b29395&pf_rd_r=XW5745PCQ04AYNQPYBR7&psc=1&refRID=XW5745PCQ04AYNQPYBR7 (https://www.amazon.co.uk/Woodland-Scenics-Realistic-Water-16/dp/B000A7PPOE/ref=pd_sbs_21_t_1/257-1849308-2585844?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=B000A7PPOE&pd_rd_r=cf12b311-20b7-441c-9d37-0e51ca517a96&pd_rd_w=x9FLA&pd_rd_wg=aUeDP&pf_rd_p=e44592b5-e56d-44c2-a4f9-dbdc09b29395&pf_rd_r=XW5745PCQ04AYNQPYBR7&psc=1&refRID=XW5745PCQ04AYNQPYBR7)
Hope this helps?
Yes, superb - many thanks.
I'm now agonizing over spending the best part of £20 to tart up 2 units.
Quote from: steve_holmes_11 on 11 October 2019, 06:17:38 PM
Very nice, and specific brand of varnish?
I don't want one that yellows as it dries.
It was just a cheap brand of gloss varnish
Take care
Andy
I use Vallejo Still Water, and am pleased with it. I find it best to do multiple layers letting ti dry between layers. Have not had any need for running water or waves though as I so far have just done puddles and pools of water. I also like that after you apply a layer you can add a dot of paint to achieve some really nice looking stagnate water or oil stains in it. You can sort of see an example in this picture - look in fornt of the wrecked car left front area.
(https://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh235/terry37photos/Post%20Apocalyptic/DSCF0554_zpsclmxyixt.jpg) (https://s257.photobucket.com/user/terry37photos/media/Post%20Apocalyptic/DSCF0554_zpsclmxyixt.jpg.html)
I am sure it would also work for your need as being clear by not adding any paint to it.
Terry
Poundland epoxy with a few drops of green ink but colour and shade the river bed.