Hi friends, yesterday I and my friend Bradpitre from this forum have played 30YW with the rules "tercios" and 10mm pendraken minis and it was a great game !
"Tercios" is a strategic system of rules wich cobine simplicity, rapidity and is played with few units (that's why we have reduced real effectives of the Battle Of Rocroi), units have a variable "stamina" that represents its morale level and reflects the human looses, this "stamina" is representend by a D6 placed next to each unit (we have removed those dices for the pictures). Units can hold several markers like desorder or critical level of "stamina" and order markers (we have made them with colored round pawns you can see on pictures). A real advantage of "tercios" is that every offensive roll of dices is automatically followed by a defensive roll from your opponent so that it's impossible to be bored ! each unit is activated one per one alternatively by the players.
Free "Tercios" rules are disponible here :
https://fr.scribd.com/doc/268954336/Brevis-Editio-Tercios-English
Complete rules and extention "Kingdoms" are available in several shops.
THE BATTLE OF ROCROI :
In 1643 the great spanish army of flanders attacks and besiege french fortified town of Rocroi, the Duc D'Enghien takes a big french army to stop the spanish forces before the arrival of spanish reinforcments and the siege succeeds.
View of the battle from the french camp
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View from the spanish camp
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French army of the Duc D'Enghien: two infantry ranks + one of reserves and artillery leaded by De D'Espenan, right flank cavalry leaded by De Gassion and left flank cavalry leaded by De La Ferté.
[img]https://nsa40.casimages.com/img/2019/06/23/190623032221378945.jpg)
Spanish army of De Melo with his "Tercios" at the center with artillery leaded by De Fuentes, right flank cavalry leaded by Albuquerque and left flank cavalry leaded by De Issembourg.
(https://nsa40.casimages.com/img/2019/06/23/19062303250842123.jpg)
Battle begins with a big attack of th spanish cavalry, french left flank cavalry counter charge but can't resist under the spanish powerfulness.
(https://nsa40.casimages.com/img/2019/06/23/190623032316752119.jpg)
Spanish cavalry still attacks unitill it arrives front of french infantry, this infantry with the help of french reserves manages to hold. In the same time french right flank cavalry attacks with great success spanish cavalery leaded by D'Albuquerque.
(https://nsa40.casimages.com/img/2019/06/23/190623032358962812.jpg)
Both two spanish flanks break rapidly under french pressure, in particulary under the cavalry of Gassion wich manages to arrive on the spanish army rears.
(https://nsa40.casimages.com/img/2019/06/23/190623032432585024.jpg)
Spanish are soon encercled, the Tercios are breaking one after one but they cause heavy looses to the frenchs, spanish survivors take refuge on the last tercios squares that still resist : Alburquerque and Garciez Tercios Viejos. Frenchs seeing how hardly those tercios defend themselves and their intolerable looses level asks for a give up with honnors of the spanish forces. Garciez's Tercio will accept soon but Alburquerque's will continue the fight untill it has no choice but surrender.
(https://nsa40.casimages.com/img/2019/06/23/190623032500601658.jpg)
Rocroi has been a little french military success considering the high level of looses but this battle was soon transformed in a great political victory showing that spanish invincibility was over.
FIGURES PICTURES : almost all those 10mm figures are from Pendraken but certains have been widely modified, flags are handpainted.
Alburquerque's Tercio Viejo
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Note that pikes have different lenghts
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De Fuentes, leader of the spanish infantry, he was a 80 years old man and was bringed on a chair to the battlefield as he was ill. He was killed not far from the end of the battle of Rocroi.
(https://nsa40.casimages.com/img/2019/05/12/190512094002840050.jpg)
I've been inspirded by this illustration :
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(https://nsa40.casimages.com/img/2019/05/12/190512093953672145.jpg)
(https://nsa40.casimages.com/img/2019/05/12/190512094348105935.jpg)
French commander in chief Duc D'Enghien
(https://nsa40.casimages.com/img/2019/05/16/190516085343815235.jpg)
I've been inspirded by this painting :
(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/710-aGgg4PL._SX450_.jpg)
(https://nsa40.casimages.com/img/2019/05/16/190516085453579320.jpg)
(https://nsa40.casimages.com/img/2019/05/16/190516085527414086.jpg)
(https://nsa40.casimages.com/img/2019/05/16/190516085135691650.jpg)
Spanish Garciez's tercio :
(https://nsa40.casimages.com/img/2019/05/16/190516084154174518.jpg)
(https://nsa40.casimages.com/img/2019/05/16/190516085826694714.jpg)
(https://nsa40.casimages.com/img/2019/05/16/190516084919896631.jpg)
Italian Tercio of spanish army, as Spain had a great empire at those times a lot of strangers were fighting with the Fladers' army, there were some mercenaries too.
(https://nsa40.casimages.com/img/2019/06/01/190601071845119950.jpg)
(https://nsa40.casimages.com/img/2019/06/01/190601072113204118.jpg)
German Tercio
(https://nsa40.casimages.com/img/2019/06/01/19060107243387956.jpg)
(https://nsa40.casimages.com/img/2019/06/01/190601072738348884.jpg)
De Melo, spanish general in chief :
(https://nsa40.casimages.com/img/2019/05/24/190524084646569876.jpg)
(https://nsa40.casimages.com/img/2019/05/24/190524085021630002.jpg)
(https://nsa40.casimages.com/img/2019/05/24/190524084829971472.jpg)
D'Albuquerque, leading first defeated spanish left flank cavalry
(https://nsa40.casimages.com/img/2019/05/14/190514092327720247.jpg)
(https://nsa40.casimages.com/img/2019/05/14/190514092518824176.jpg)
French Regiment "Gardes Ecossaises" : scottish guards, France and Scotland were allied in those times.
(https://nsa40.casimages.com/img/2019/06/06/190606101225292003.jpg)
(https://nsa40.casimages.com/img/2019/06/06/190606101359658086.jpg)
French regiment "La Marine"
(https://nsa40.casimages.com/img/2019/05/18/190518071058589699.jpg)
(https://nsa40.casimages.com/img/2019/05/18/190518071141918135.jpg)
French regiment "Piedmont"
(https://nsa40.casimages.com/img/2019/05/20/190520055231719957.jpg)
(https://nsa40.casimages.com/img/2019/05/20/190520055115760789.jpg)
Others french regiments :
(https://nsa40.casimages.com/img/2019/05/20/190520055510735416.jpg)
(https://nsa40.casimages.com/img/2019/05/20/190520055621882875.jpg)
(https://nsa40.casimages.com/img/2019/06/06/190606101546552880.jpg)
(https://nsa40.casimages.com/img/2019/06/06/190606101541651923.jpg)
(https://nsa40.casimages.com/img/2019/06/06/190606101022563798.jpg)
(https://nsa40.casimages.com/img/2019/06/06/190606101008394979.jpg)
Spanish supply, tent is 3D printed
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Independant companies
(https://nsa40.casimages.com/img/2019/05/28/190528102829575911.jpg)
Spanish heavy cavalry
(https://nsa40.casimages.com/img/2019/05/26/190526074804258150.jpg)
(https://nsa40.casimages.com/img/2019/05/26/190526074857157474.jpg)
(https://nsa40.casimages.com/img/2019/05/26/19052607560020075.jpg)
(https://nsa40.casimages.com/img/2019/06/14/190614081444124068.jpg)
(https://nsa40.casimages.com/img/2019/06/14/190614081816652868.jpg)
Dismounted dragoons : at this time dragoons were mounted infantrymen which combatted mainly dismounted.
(https://nsa40.casimages.com/img/2019/05/28/190528103757757994.jpg)
Croats : those mercennaries were fighting in both camps in Rocroi
(https://nsa40.casimages.com/img/2019/06/17/190617081947650417.jpg)
Light cavalry
(https://nsa40.casimages.com/img/2019/06/09/19060908002726237.jpg)
(https://nsa40.casimages.com/img/2019/06/09/190609081452965629.jpg)
Mounted arquebusiers
(https://nsa40.casimages.com/img/2019/06/09/190609074603825262.jpg)
(https://nsa40.casimages.com/img/2019/06/09/190609074004566512.jpg)
(https://nsa40.casimages.com/img/2019/06/14/19061408141852053.jpg)
(https://nsa40.casimages.com/img/2019/06/14/190614081044733832.jpg)
Artillery
(https://nsa40.casimages.com/img/2019/06/14/190614080613894728.jpg)
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Hope you'll like this :)
Those are AMAZING! Quite formidable. 8) :-bd :-bd :x
Very nicely done.
Those are absolutely superb! I really like the diorama basing of the tercios and the command bases are excellent :D
It's all excellent, I'm jealous :P
Well I am very impressed with all of that. Even took a look at and downloaded the rules. Is Kingdoms an accompanying scenario or campaign book?It does not appear to be on the Scribd site.
Lovely work right across the board 8).
Raph, That is some of the most impressive work I've seen for such a small scale. And hand painted flags!!!! All just excellent! Rocroi is my favorite pike and shot battle, so enjoyed seeing that as well.
Terry
I can't add much more to what Terry has said, uniformly excellent work! Your vignette pieces are very creative and a pleasure to see.
Thanks also for laying out Rocroi.
Thanks a lot everybody :-[
Tercios system of basing allows creating dioramas so I took this opportunity !
@Leman : Kingdoms is more an extention army book for tercios, there are few more special rules, more capacities for generals and it is indispensable to get wonderful Oriental armies lists such as Polish, Russian, Turkish etc ...
Very impressive. The tercio bases look really good (as do the rest of the figures)
I particularly like how you have built command bases based on period paintings, they really add another level of detail.
Great stuff
Outstanding, what beautifully painted troops.
:-bd =D> :-bd =D> :-bd
Quote from: fred. on 23 June 2019, 07:00:11 PM
I particularly like how you have built command bases based on period paintings, they really add another level of detail.
Seconded :)
Those are SPLENDID ! :)
Cheers - Phil
Wow ! Absolutely magnificent. I'm looking forward to
seeing more of this collection.
I also like the pictures offering inspiration. This is my
favourite (together with anything from the Alatriste film):
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-CMt8UFaeOmw/ULJvVSXk3SI/AAAAAAAAGCk/K2b40Vlptbo/s1600/rocroi.jpg
Phil
Thanks !!!
@Glorfindel : yeah i love this painting too and all paintings of Augusto Ferrer-Dalmau, he recreates a superb atmosphere whith perfect historical detailing. I was inspirating by several others illustrations (including Osprey Publishing ) and of course by Alatriste movie but be careful : although it's a brilliant movie whith excellent actors there are a lot of historical mistakes.
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HD here : https://i.pinimg.com/originals/30/cf/24/30cf24fddb70c40cac3f7fcac92f76e3.jpg
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Quote from: Raph on 23 June 2019, 06:29:29 PM
Thanks a lot everybody :-[
Tercios system of basing allows creating dioramas so I took this opportunity !
@Leman : Kingdoms is more an extention army book for tercios, there are few more special rules, more capacities for generals and it is indispensable to get wonderful Oriental armies lists such as Polish, Russian, Turkish etc ...
Thanks very much for the information, Raph. I have tracked down both books on the Caliver site. I like the idea of the downloadable introductory game, very much in the style of Lorenzo Sartori's original Basic Impetus, and Sam Mustafa's Maurice and Longstreet introductory games, all of which inspired me to go for the full hit (and many, many enjoyable games).
I prefer your version
Raph,
Your painting and basing skills are phenomenal. Taking your inspiration from the painitngs you have recreated them in miniature. One question, if I may? You may know I am co-author of an ECW set of rules called 'For King and Parliament', and am currently researching how it might be modified to cover the Thirty Years War. Now I had assumed (dangerous, eh!?) that, apart from the addition of Croats, we had pretty well all unit types covered for the period 1634-1648. But I notice that your Spanish Army contains tercios in the traditional form of a central block of pike, with four smaller blocks of musketeers on the corners. I had thought this formation went out of use at the end of the 16th century, or at the latest early 17th century. Do the Tercio rules comment on this, or does anyone else have any information to help? Thanks in advance for any assistance you can offer.
Thanks !
@Mollinary : this Tercios formation is named "Cuadro De Gente", blocs of musqueteers and arquebusiers are called "Manchas", it has been invented by the spanish and was officially used until the early 17th century, after that spanish had the reformed organisation with more pikemen and looked like french formations. In the rules "Tercios" there are 3 formations : one for old regiments ("Cuadro De Gente"), one for reformed ones (like my french regiments) and one for sweeden that were the first to use "modern" formations, without periods of use ("Tercios" is a very simplified rule -and thats why we love it-).
My choise for having represented Tercios in old "Cuadro De Gente" formation is that visually we can't confuse them : we have spanish Tercios, This spanish army of the flanders is made to fight though all periods of the 30YW so formations are no specific to Rocroi. Furthermore, as you certainly have noted if you made historicaly researchs that our knowledge of the period and specially of the spanish is extremly limited, we have no reliable writings as Rocroi was use for french propaganda and almost no archeological sources, for example even for the flags we know only a little dozen of them but we can only suppose to which unit they belonged without any certitude. The only way to know until when Tercios used "Cuadro De Gente" are paintings but they were made 50 or 80 years after the battle and contemporary painters did not respected history : they were not ashamed to paint King Louis XIV with roman tunic or Rocroi's musqueteers with 1750 uniforms so there is probably a big gap under what we think we know and the reality ...
Dug around in my 10mm lead pile and guess what emerged? Enough chaps for two Spanish tercios, including S&B figures, enough halberdiers in morions to do a company, loads of cuirassiers and pistol armed cavalry, and even some demi-lancers and late C16th lance armed gendarmes. As I am most interested in the 1618-25 period of the war I can use these to romp around in Germany in their old style formations and put them up against Protestant League troops. What have you started?
Yeah Leman !!!
of course you can play Spanish in Germany or in Holland where some of the best Tercios were deployed, some "tercios Viejos".
Here's hoping - cleaned up some Old Glory 10mm Cuirassiers a friend gave me (we are very generous to each other in our club) and also dug out some suitable bases. These will give me a break from the Italian Wars in 15mm I am currently working on. Keeping things fresh keeps the painting mojo going.
Raph,
Great work!
I have a large pile of figures for thisperiod and would love to do 30 YW.
Can you tell me what size bases you use please.
Thanks and hope to see more of your work.
Do you have a blog?
Just received three packs of figures from Pendraken - a pack of Dave's Elizabethan arquebusiers in morions, for use with my Spaniards, and a pack of TYW each of musketeers and mounted arquebusiers, ideal for my Dutch/Protestants, in floppy hats with the front brim turned up. All three packs are beautifully sculpted and cast. Looking forward to getting on with these, once the SYW cavalry are boxed off.
I especially enjoyed making those.,,,,I dunno why.
Thanks, Andy. :-[
Cheers - Phil
Excellent work here. Especially the flags stand out!