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Title: Rebels and Patriots - ACW Basing
Post by: steve_holmes_11 on 07 May 2019, 02:35:18 PM
Another question for the forum - you've been exceptionally helpful with my earlier questions about basing, magnets, painting, lenses and so forth.

The little voice in my head is telling me that Pendraken ACW figures would make an excellent platform for Rebels and Patriots.
Has anybody else done this, do you have pistures?
Do you have any suggestions for emploting 1-2-3 basing with the 10mm guys?

Thanks

Title: Re: Rebels and Patriots - ACW Basing
Post by: Steve J on 07 May 2019, 02:57:52 PM
For the 3-2-1 basing I use the following:

1 figure on a 10mm plastic tiddly wink style disc, bought from Ebay.
2 figures on a 1 pence coin
3 figures on a 2 pence coin
Cavalry I case single on 1 pence coins IIRC.

Hope this helps?
Title: Re: Rebels and Patriots - ACW Basing
Post by: fred. on 07 May 2019, 06:25:02 PM
I have thought about this, but not done anything yet. I thought about using the base sizes as per the rules, and putting twice the number of 10mm figures on each base, so 2, 4, 6 figures.
Title: Re: Rebels and Patriots - ACW Basing
Post by: Leman on 08 May 2019, 08:04:15 AM
I did Dark Age Britons like that for a 28mm game, but single 10mm figures are not what I'd go for, nor something as small as a 10mm disc. Were I to do it I'd go for 20mm, 25mm, 30mm with more figures per base, as it is the base that is important, not the number of figures on it. Besides, you then get something that looks like a viable force.
Title: Re: Rebels and Patriots - ACW Basing
Post by: steve_holmes_11 on 08 May 2019, 08:39:25 AM
Thanks for all the suggestions: I'll soon hop into a one man conclave to determine the results.

Present thoughts:

1-2-3 seems good for a small project, but perhaps a little fiddly.
Some new technology to master with fixing figures to tiddleywinks and coins.


Multiplying up would certainly be visually impressive.

Pros for this are that I aleady have a basing solution for Rampant games in 15mm
I've also commented that Rebels and Patriots seems less welded to one base one man than earlier titles in the franchise.

Cons are that a side project becomes a big scale project (one of many).
Also bigger bases require more table space and thus a biger table (or ironically) smaller games


The answer may be to buy a couple of packs at the next show and start prototyping.

Title: Re: Rebels and Patriots - ACW Basing
Post by: Steve J on 08 May 2019, 09:12:08 AM
You can just about see my 3-2-1 basing in the following:

https://wwiiwargaming.blogspot.com/2018/11/the-pikemens-lament-dawn-patrol-aar.html (https://wwiiwargaming.blogspot.com/2018/11/the-pikemens-lament-dawn-patrol-aar.html)

Super glue works perfectly well for gluing to coins and tiddlywinks. I've seen others that have put more figures per base, but simply count each base as one figure. Looks impressive and doesn't affect game play other than requiring more space.
Title: Re: Rebels and Patriots - ACW Basing
Post by: Raider4 on 08 May 2019, 10:11:59 AM
Quote from: steve_holmes_11 on 08 May 2019, 08:39:25 AM

The answer may be to buy a couple of packs at the next show and start prototyping.


Why is the answer always buy something new & shiny? I have boxes & drawers & shelves full of new & shiny . . .
Title: Re: Rebels and Patriots - ACW Basing
Post by: Steve J on 08 May 2019, 10:15:50 AM
Don't we all (well mine are in bags in the attic, but same thing :D).
Title: Re: Rebels and Patriots - ACW Basing
Post by: Leman on 08 May 2019, 10:19:06 AM
Exactly - I have loads of unpainted 15mm ACW crying out for a bit of 3-2-1 basing for R&P.
Title: Re: Rebels and Patriots - ACW Basing
Post by: fred. on 08 May 2019, 06:27:46 PM
Quote from: Raider4 on 08 May 2019, 10:11:59 AM
Why is the answer always buy something new & shiny? I have boxes & drawers & shelves full of new & shiny . . .

If we don't buy more stuff Leon will be out on the street and penniless. Think of the children!
Title: Re: Rebels and Patriots - ACW Basing
Post by: Leman on 08 May 2019, 06:45:50 PM
If I keep buying stuff I'll be out on the street and penniless. There comes a point where you really do need to look at the lead mountain and decide to just deal with it. Completed this command group over the last few days using stuff I bought about 20 years ago:

(https://scontent-lht6-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/59909851_137594397399829_1475866662598082560_n.jpg?_nc_cat=100&_nc_ht=scontent-lht6-1.xx&oh=7d9c15920c2d48bcde559124701fa794&oe=5D6DE656)
Title: Re: Rebels and Patriots - ACW Basing
Post by: paulr on 08 May 2019, 07:07:46 PM
 :-bd =D> :-bd =D>

Four down, only #&^%#^&^% more to go ;D
Title: Re: Rebels and Patriots - ACW Basing
Post by: steve_holmes_11 on 09 May 2019, 07:08:22 AM
Quote from: Steve J on 08 May 2019, 09:12:08 AM
You can just about see my 3-2-1 basing in the following:

https://wwiiwargaming.blogspot.com/2018/11/the-pikemens-lament-dawn-patrol-aar.html (https://wwiiwargaming.blogspot.com/2018/11/the-pikemens-lament-dawn-patrol-aar.html)

Super glue works perfectly well for gluing to coins and tiddlywinks. I've seen others that have put more figures per base, but simply count each base as one figure. Looks impressive and doesn't affect game play other than requiring more space.

Very nice.
The title Dawn Patrol confused me - Until the end I expected Biggles and Algy to swoop with their Camels to rescue the beleaguered English.

It reminded me (slightly) of my current "Big Push".
A bunch of Indian Ocean forces form the Age of Discovery (16th century) using Dragon Rampant.

Digressing, there was a comment about cut down Pikes - something mentioned by several contemporary writers.
Officers often condemn this - typically inexperienced troops cutting the weapon down for an easier time on the march.

I then read about the Portuguese storming of Malacca.
After several days of shooting and counter shooting, they stormed thh town with pikes in the lead.
I'd imagine having at least some of your close fighters wielding a handier spear would be a great advantage when there are things like winding alleys and houses to clear.
The Portuguese account doesn't go into great detail about armament.
I'm therefore extrapolating form contemporary Spanish experience in Central America.
Their close fighting troops discarded their pike in forest conditions and mostly re-equipped with sword and buckler.
Title: Re: Rebels and Patriots - ACW Basing
Post by: Orcs on 09 May 2019, 08:11:59 AM
Quote from: Raider4 on 08 May 2019, 10:11:59 AM
Why is the answer always buy something new & shiny? I have boxes & drawers & shelves full of new & shiny . . .

Because your an addict !  Embrace it and stop worrying about your lead mountain  :)
Title: Re: Rebels and Patriots - ACW Basing
Post by: Leman on 09 May 2019, 10:30:27 AM
Quote from: paulr on 08 May 2019, 07:07:46 PM
:-bd =D> :-bd =D>

Four down, only #&^%#^&^% more to go ;D
Indeed - it must be about another 500, and that's just the 15mm Italian Wars.
Title: Re: Rebels and Patriots - ACW Basing
Post by: steve_holmes_11 on 16 August 2019, 11:21:15 PM
My eventual basing solution.

Most infantry: Based in groups of three on 20mm x 30mm bases

Skirmishers and mounted troops: Based in groups of three on 30mm x 40mm bases.


It gives a good "loose order" look, through 12 figures seem a little thin on the tabletop.
If you have a larger table (6 by 4 feet or larger) you may get a better visual effect by doubling or trebling the figure count.