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Title: M48
Post by: flamingpig0 on 07 May 2019, 12:43:29 PM
I am  toying with the idea of building forces for the Indo-Pak war of 1965 and of course wish to use Pendraken models.  Is the M48 model iin the Vietnam range suitable? it seems to have a box like thingy on the gun barrel which doesn't seem to appear on pictures of the Pakistani used M48s I have found.

Title: Re: M48
Post by: Matt J on 07 May 2019, 01:21:23 PM
It's cast separately so you can just leave the I/R box off.

Matt
Title: Re: M48
Post by: flamingpig0 on 07 May 2019, 01:24:21 PM
Quote from: Matt J on 07 May 2019, 01:21:23 PM
It's cast separately so you can just leave the I/R box off.

Matt

That is what I was hoping you would say
Title: Re: M48
Post by: Sunray on 07 May 2019, 09:16:06 PM
Quote from: flamingpig0 on 07 May 2019, 12:43:29 PM
I am  toying with the idea of building forces for the Indo-Pak war of 1965 and of course wish to use Pendraken models.  Is the M48 model iin the Vietnam range suitable? it seems to have a box like thingy on the gun barrel which doesn't seem to appear on pictures of the Pakistani used M48s I have found.



Our good friend Ian at Irregular Miniatures was speculating about doing a spin off from Bush war figures -  AK 47 with a British Brodie helmet in about eight poses including RPG7 and MMG.  If he is encouraged by kick start sales that would cover the Pakistani element.  Both sides wore the beret so many of the Korean Commando will pass proxy muster.   The Lee Enfield in SMLE but chambered for 7.62mm was also widely used as well as FN/SLR.
A Wargame survey found this war was not all the popular with gamers- which is probably the next Pendraken range will be Arab Israeli 1973.   :)
Title: Re: M48
Post by: flamingpig0 on 07 May 2019, 10:08:58 PM
Quote from: Sunray on 07 May 2019, 09:16:06 PM
Our good friend Ian at Irregular Miniatures was speculating about doing a spin off from Bush war figures -  AK 47 with a British Brodie helmet in about eight poses including RPG7 and MMG.  If he is encouraged by kick start sales that would cover the Pakistani element.  Both sides wore the beret so many of the Korean Commando will pass proxy muster.   The Lee Enfield in SMLE but chambered for 7.62mm was also widely used as well as FN/SLR.
A Wargame survey found this war was not all the popular with gamers- which is probably the next Pendraken range will be Arab Israeli 1973.   :)

I must say that other than the easily available info on MBTs I am having issues finding anything on general kit, softskins etc.
Title: Re: M48
Post by: sultanbev on 08 May 2019, 12:36:33 PM
From The Observer's Military Vehicles Directory fronm 1945, Bart H Vanderveen, Frederick & Warne (1972)
India had around that time:
Nissan 4x4 3/4t  D4W73 Carrier trucks from 1961, basically a Dodge Weapns Carrier clone
Nissan Patrol jeep type thing
Commer R541 5t 4x2 lorries, x250 in 1950
3t Dodge K-ZW-6 truck 4x4, 1t 4x4 Dodge PWC-95, 3t 4x4 Dodge PWT-190
Leyland Comet 5t 4x4 lorries, including pntoon carrier from 1968
6x4 Leyland Hippo from 1965
Tata/Merceedes-Benx 3t 4x4 LA312 from 1954
MAN 415 L1AR 5t 4x4 Shaktiman, 5000 built 1958-1963 alone
Magirus-Deutz Jupiter 7t 6x6 as towd for 8" M115 howitzer
locally made Studebaker lorries and Morris Oxford cars, Bedford trucks

PAKISTAN:
British Bedford, Commer Superpoise, Ford 4x2 trucks
Japanese Toyota Land Cruiser
M38A1 Jeep
Dodge M37 (Dodge Weapons carrier in effect)
Dodge 4x2 and 4x4 trucks
M series 2.5t and 5t 6x6 llorries, presumably US M35

both sides had Mighty Antar tank transporters.
Title: Re: M48
Post by: flamingpig0 on 08 May 2019, 05:18:45 PM
Quote from: sultanbev on 08 May 2019, 12:36:33 PM
From The Observer's Military Vehicles Directory fronm 1945, Bart H Vanderveen, Frederick & Warne (1972)
India had around that time:
Nissan 4x4 3/4t  D4W73 Carrier trucks from 1961, basically a Dodge Weapns Carrier clone
Nissan Patrol jeep type thing
Commer R541 5t 4x2 lorries, x250 in 1950
3t Dodge K-ZW-6 truck 4x4, 1t 4x4 Dodge PWC-95, 3t 4x4 Dodge PWT-190
Leyland Comet 5t 4x4 lorries, including pntoon carrier from 1968
6x4 Leyland Hippo from 1965
Tata/Merceedes-Benx 3t 4x4 LA312 from 1954
MAN 415 L1AR 5t 4x4 Shaktiman, 5000 built 1958-1963 alone
Magirus-Deutz Jupiter 7t 6x6 as towd for 8" M115 howitzer
locally made Studebaker lorries and Morris Oxford cars, Bedford trucks

PAKISTAN:
British Bedford, Commer Superpoise, Ford 4x2 trucks
Japanese Toyota Land Cruiser
M38A1 Jeep
Dodge M37 (Dodge Weapons carrier in effect)
Dodge 4x2 and 4x4 trucks
M series 2.5t and 5t 6x6 llorries, presumably US M35

both sides had Mighty Antar tank transporters.


Cheers.

Title: Re: M48
Post by: mart678 on 16 May 2019, 12:49:40 PM
Just redone the M48
The first master is the early M48 M48A1 and M67(first version)
I will be doing all other versions when I get some casting back this will include West German variants and US versions up to A5 and Israeli version

Hope this helps
Title: Re: M48
Post by: Lord Kermit of Birkenhead on 16 May 2019, 01:19:09 PM
Mart I'd master the A3 first, it's the most common version

IanS
Title: Re: M48
Post by: Matt J on 16 May 2019, 01:19:51 PM
QuoteIsraeli version

:) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :)
Title: Re: M48
Post by: John Cook on 16 May 2019, 04:57:11 PM
Any danger of infantry for the modern range?
Title: Re: M48
Post by: Duke Speedy of Leighton on 16 May 2019, 05:44:35 PM
 ;D

Title: Re: M48
Post by: mart678 on 17 May 2019, 09:40:56 PM
The M48 will include all versions as that way you can do any army also   petrol and diesel versions for early Cold War, Indo-Pakistan and Arab Israeli also to do the first production M60,s and Taiwanese Brave Tiger versions
Title: Re: M48
Post by: John Cook on 17 May 2019, 11:58:03 PM
Not without infantry you can't!
Title: Re: M48
Post by: mart678 on 18 May 2019, 09:02:05 AM
Up to mid 60,s most armies in world still used WW2 era weapons Pakistan and India still dressed in. British era uniforms so did Israeli convert some to G3 SLR and AK you only have to alter the weapons not impossible in 10mm till a range becomes available or send them to Techno and for a small fee he will do it lol
Title: Re: M48
Post by: kabrank on 18 May 2019, 10:44:14 AM
Hi Mart

Made my day to discover these are comming.

Early cold war moves ever closer!

Are the M48 a one off or a start at re doing some of the older "modern" vehicles to match current standards?

Will be buying the new M48 once available.

Kelvin
Title: Re: M48
Post by: Leon on 18 May 2019, 03:38:22 PM
Quote from: kabrank on 18 May 2019, 10:44:14 AM
Are the M48 a one off or a start at re doing some of the older "modern" vehicles to match current standards?

It's only really the M48 as the current one in the Vietnam range was done by a different designer and isn't quite right when put next to the M46/M47's.
Title: Re: M48
Post by: John Cook on 18 May 2019, 10:43:09 PM
I was thinking of Soviets, E Germans, Poles etc., British in 57 Pattern webbing and MkIV helmets.  Not really interested in ME and Asian wars.
Title: Re: M48
Post by: Lord Kermit of Birkenhead on 19 May 2019, 08:20:35 AM
For the Brits - look to the Falklands range. For most European armies the Argentines should do. Excptions would be the French and US.

IanS
Title: Re: M48
Post by: Raider4 on 19 May 2019, 08:22:36 AM
Quote from: Leon on 18 May 2019, 03:38:22 PM
It's only really the M48 as the current one in the Vietnam range was done by a different designer and isn't quite right when put next to the M46/M47's.

So if I want more M48s to match the one I've already got, I'd better get them quick?
Title: Re: M48
Post by: John Cook on 19 May 2019, 08:48:50 AM
Quote from: ianrs54 on 19 May 2019, 08:20:35 AM
For the Brits - look to the Falklands range. For most European armies the Argentines should do. Excptions would be the French and US.

IanS


Sorry, but although the Falkland range has some suitable British figures, I'm not interested in figures that just 'do'. 
Title: Re: M48
Post by: Lord Kermit of Birkenhead on 19 May 2019, 09:04:02 AM
OK - Dutch, M! Helmet, FN, MAG, Danes similar, as are the Belguims and Canadians (although they used  a heavy barrel FN as LMG), Germans HK G3, which at 10mm looks like the FN, but silly MGs, (never did like the MG3). That cloes enough to do ? Particulay since all the combat kit was based on the US stuff.
Title: Re: M48
Post by: John Cook on 19 May 2019, 04:06:06 PM
Quote from: ianrs54 on 19 May 2019, 09:04:02 AM
OK - Dutch, M! Helmet, FN, MAG, Danes similar, as are the Belguims and Canadians (although they used  a heavy barrel FN as LMG), Germans HK G3, which at 10mm looks like the FN, but silly MGs, (never did like the MG3). That cloes enough to do ? Particulay since all the combat kit was based on the US stuff.

Not really.  I reiterate.  "I was thinking of Soviets, E Germans, Poles etc".  I know what allied troops looked like in the 1970s, and the kit they used.. 
Title: Re: M48
Post by: flamingpig0 on 19 May 2019, 05:42:52 PM
Quote from: Raider4 on 19 May 2019, 08:22:36 AM
So if I want more M48s to match the one I've already got, I'd better get them quick?


Yes I thought that -
Title: Re: M48
Post by: Leon on 20 May 2019, 01:36:59 PM
Quote from: Raider4 on 19 May 2019, 08:22:36 AM
So if I want more M48s to match the one I've already got, I'd better get them quick?

Quote from: flamingpig0 on 19 May 2019, 05:42:52 PM
Yes I thought that -

We'd still have the old mould in the workshop so we can still supply older models if you need to finish off existing armies, no worries.