Right, Prussian threatens Ruritania. OO armies based loosely on Prussian war with Denmark. I may use them for that little scrap at some point :)
I have dusted off my original copy of Keith John Warren's To the last gaiter button - I still like the NICE principle and the Square Bashing system of movement.
The issue - both armies I this game will be Germanic in ethos. Is there a decent set of rules for the wars of German unification or anything that has surpassed TLGB in terms of simple but realistic play ?
There is a version of TtLGB for the War of 1866 which might be what you are looking for. It is called Trapped Like a Fox.
Bloody Big Battles is well worth a look as it gives great games but with elegantly simple game mechanics.
Quote from: Sunray on 16 April 2019, 04:36:03 PM
Right, Prussian threatens Ruritania. OO armies based loosely on Prussian war with Denmark. I may use them for that little scrap at some point :)
Please help. Who are OO armies? I tried Google but got nothing useful.
Thank you,
Martin
Quote from: Smoking gun on 16 April 2019, 06:45:19 PM
Please help. Who are OO armies? I tried Google but got nothing useful.
Thank you,
Martin
I presume Oddzial Osmy, though I'm more used to seeing them abbreviated as O8.
Available from Magister Militum here:
https://www.magistermilitum.com/manufacturer/oddzial-osmy-3mm-15mm-from-poland.html?cat%5B0%5D=62397
Quote from: Smoking gun on 16 April 2019, 06:45:19 PM
Please help. Who are OO armies? I tried Google but got nothing useful.
Thank you,
Martin
Oddzmial Osmy (also known as O8)
Quote from: Smoking gun on 16 April 2019, 06:45:19 PM
Please help. Who are OO armies? I tried Google but got nothing useful.
Thank you,
Martin
Sorry Martin, I was unaware of the correct abbreviation - James
From Shako to Coalscuttle would eminently suit a mid-C19th game in any scale. It is battalion based and uses a very interesting dice rolling system to achieve results, plus it is very reasonably priced on Wargame Vault.
Quote from: Leman on 17 April 2019, 08:00:40 AM
From Shako to Coalscuttle would eminently suit a mid-C19th game in any scale. It is battalion based and uses a very interesting dice rolling system to achieve results, plus it is very reasonably priced on Wargame Vault.
Thanks Leman. Intrigued by your review thread. How many dice does one need? Are they the normal 6 side ? With the limit on units, would this impact on 3mm O8 (note correct abbreviation 8) ) where the eye candy pleasure is a company deployed in 5x 20 figure unit bases ?
Any pics about of your 3mm forces? I'm sure battles look pretty epic at that scale!
Quote from: mmcv on 17 April 2019, 09:45:03 PM
Any pics about of your 3mm forces? I'm sure battles look pretty epic at that scale!
This!!! :)
In terms of bases there is a small confusion in the rules, i.e. In one place they talk of 25mm x 20mm, but elsewhere it mentions 25mm square. I favour the 25mm square as I had previously based up for BBB, but TBH if both armies are compatible I don't see a problem. FSTC is written with four base units in mind, but says that up to six can be used without any problem.
Size of the figure is unimportant in a "base" based game (like BP or F&F). If figure removal then you needs track hits per base. It is a bugbear f mine - most rules can be played with any size figure.
MMCV, Here is my 3mm con federate army. These are on 30x20mm which works well for BBB and Altar of Freedom, but would also work with FSTC:
(https://live.staticflickr.com/1855/44485566502_8439fd9216_z.jpg)
This second photo shows my 2mm Prussia v Hanover game, using 25mm square bases. This was for BBB, but again could be used with FSTC:
(https://live.staticflickr.com/1861/29597731627_9920289081_z.jpg)
Very nice, you can really represent the size and scale of the battles like that. I've been tempted by the small scales to give horse and musket a go later this year, without it becoming a huge project. Was eyeing 6mm FPW but maybe 3mm ACW or the like could be interesting!
Very nice, really gives the idea of a big battle, I think the 3mm figures are better than the 2mm stuff from IM. Having seen both close up the detail on 08 figures is really good on such a small thing, Irregulars are a bit more abstract. Interesting thread!! :)
Quote from: Ithoriel on 16 April 2019, 06:52:37 PM
I presume Oddzial Osmy, though I'm more used to seeing them abbreviated as O8.
Available from Magister Militum here:
https://www.magistermilitum.com/manufacturer/oddzial-osmy-3mm-15mm-from-poland.html?cat%5B0%5D=62397
Thank you, I wouldn't have recognised the correct abbreviation anyway. I was vaguely aware of them from a few years ago.
Martin
Quote from: jambo1 on 18 April 2019, 04:56:45 PM
Very nice, really gives the idea of a big battle, I think the 3mm figures are better than the 2mm stuff from IM. Having seen both close up the detail on 08 figures is really good on such a small thing, Irregulars are a bit more abstract. Interesting thread!! :)
Yeah I got a few sample 2mm from IM a while back and it was just a bit too abstract. The 3mm look very detailed by comparison.
Quote from: mmcv on 18 April 2019, 05:18:28 PM
Yeah I got a few sample 2mm from IM a while back and it was just a bit too abstract. The 3mm look very detailed by comparison.
There is 2mm kit from Ian's IM range that can be used - the bigger tents, trees and the trench for example.
Applause to Leman for the eye candy. Inspiring stuff.
I am currently working on a mix of IM and Brigade Models kit for the battle of Corinth 1862, specifically IM's railway, ACW station, ACW/Western train and rails, plus some Brigade Models ACW and factory buildings, to model Corinth and the railway running through it. Will post when complete together with some of the Peter Pig 3mm troops so you can see how it all fits together.
Quote from: Leman on 19 April 2019, 08:17:22 AM
I am currently working on a mix of IM and Brigade Models kit for the battle of Corinth 1862, specifically IM's railway, ACW station, ACW/Western train and rails, plus some Brigade Models ACW and factory buildings, to model Corinth and the railway running through it. Will post when complete together with some of the Peter Pig 3mm troops so you can see how it all fits together.
Very interesting project. Martin Goddard's PP figures are a bit more chunky than O8 sculpts, and the close order troops are joined at the hip. but paint up well. I have just received PP pack 61 "Small Fort" - the artillery included in the pack. These - although obviously ACW era - could be painted up to look like heavy Krupp breech loaders
I have just acquired a small ornament type model of Schloss Neuschwanstein - a quick check with tried and tested Ithoreal method (6mm and 3mm figures) reveal that the windows and doors are not far off 1/600 scale. The steps of the castle are exaggerated in size.
It would work well with 1860 era Germanic wars as an objective. A centre piece for my Ruritanian v Prussia epic. :)
The small fort will be making an appearance as part of the Corinth defensive works.
Quote from: Leman on 20 April 2019, 11:32:37 AM
The small fort will be making an appearance as part of the Corinth defensive works.
Would the Irregular 2mm trench (IKM3) work as part of these defences ? Ian exaggerated the detail so its bigger than true 2mm.
Accounts from the Franco Prussian war relate that earthen works were more durable than stone/cement forts as they could be easily repaired.
Not familiar with the 2mm trenches. Tend to use homemade earthworks for the ACW as shown on the Altar of Freedom website, only a little smaller to fit with the 3mm figures.
This sounds like a cracking set of projects!
Much as I love Irregulars blocks (and have a veritable shed load), I kind of wish I'd gone 3mm with PP and 08. But then, I'd probably still have them in bare lead and be vacillating over painting them. The 2mm blocks can be banged out toot sweet and on table in an hour...
I can second BBB (which would be my go to for any vaguely large battle), but "Trapped like a Fox" has lived in my loft for several years - I really want to play it as the campaign looks ace, but never quite managed to get enough people interested for long enough.
It's certainly an unusual game as all the players are Austrians playing against Prussia. Beautiful presentation, but I'm only ever likely to use the tabletop battle section.
Yes, I loved the set up and campaign idea - I might try and convince club mates they want to play... thing is I was tempted to try and bodge it to use BBB for the actual games, but then they cover more area and bigger formations, and I dunno how much work I'd have to do to get adjoining sectors involved or not, or if I could just "bath tub" it. So I got excited, confused, then shelved it :D
Might be time to dust it off and suggest it later in the year, but we're looking like it'll be an AVBCW mini-campaign over summer using Peter Pigs old AK-47 rules so it might be a while...
I have bath-tubbed those games by using a mat divided up into 8" rather than 10" squares, units with a slightly smaller footprint and a reduced inches (18mm to the inch) rulers.
And now I feel a trip to the loft coming on at lunch to see if I can dig Trapped out the mess :D
Might suggest a warm up by finishing the Crimea first, we've still got the Chernya to play through at the club...
A nice opportunity for getting Piedmontese troops on the table.
I know!
I've got them in Pendraken's nice 10mm, but all my other Crimea stuff is 2mm :D
They have fought across the Chernaya before with my other group, but it's one of them that has the matching 10mm Russians, French, Turks and Brits...