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Title: are these things made with lead?
Post by: Paper on 31 March 2019, 06:33:30 PM
should I wear protection when going at them with my rotary tool?
Title: Re: are these things made with lead?
Post by: fsn on 31 March 2019, 07:20:29 PM
I think you're safe. They're not made of lead, but white metal. Mostly tin?

If drilling them was unsafe then Techno would be a complete barm-pot.


OK. Bad example.
Title: Re: are these things made with lead?
Post by: jimduncanuk on 31 March 2019, 07:40:13 PM
Quote from: Paper on 31 March 2019, 06:33:30 PM
should I wear protection when going at them with my rotary tool?


Really?

On 10mm figures, with a rotary tool?

How many fingers do you have left?
Title: Re: are these things made with lead?
Post by: fsn on 31 March 2019, 07:58:24 PM
11.
Title: Re: are these things made with lead?
Post by: paulr on 31 March 2019, 08:36:24 PM
 ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: are these things made with lead?
Post by: Paper on 31 March 2019, 08:37:44 PM
I'm mostly using it to flatten the bottoms

Also slower speeds make it easy to use diamond files for flashing.
Title: Re: are these things made with lead?
Post by: Techno on 31 March 2019, 08:39:47 PM
Quote from: Paper on 31 March 2019, 06:33:30 PM
should I wear protection when going at them with my rotary tool?

Hi Paper.

When you say rotary tool.....Do you mean the little, metal circular saw ?

I've never used the one I've got on 10mm figures, as I don't think they're very safe.

Cheers - Phil
Title: Re: are these things made with lead?
Post by: jimduncanuk on 31 March 2019, 09:20:05 PM
Quote from: Paper on 31 March 2019, 08:37:44 PM
I'm mostly using it to flatten the bottoms

Also slower speeds make it easy to use diamond files for flashing.

Most gamers I know use a semi round flat file.
Title: Re: are these things made with lead?
Post by: Paper on 31 March 2019, 10:38:41 PM
(https://images.homedepot-static.com/productImages/3eb81a80-178f-4795-aa8d-73a0522335b8/svn/wen-rotary-tools-2305-64_1000.jpg)

This tool. Popular brand name is dremel. You can put lots of different tools in it. Including a tiny saw blade but that's not what I'm using.

I'm using a flat sand paper disk to flatten the bottom of the figures. Each one takes only a few seconds.

Mould lines can be removed easily with some of the diamond grit files.

It's been a while since I worked with metal figures.
Title: Re: are these things made with lead?
Post by: jimduncanuk on 31 March 2019, 10:39:40 PM
Talk about overkill.
Title: Re: are these things made with lead?
Post by: Paper on 31 March 2019, 11:32:34 PM
Eh it's only like $30 bucks? Pretty easy and cheap, also it's useful for so many modeling tasks.
Title: Re: are these things made with lead?
Post by: Norm on 01 April 2019, 05:29:20 AM
Interesting thought, though I have always stuck with a blade and file for clean-up and that works enough for me. I think in this day and age, masking up for any job that creates dust is a sensible precaution and doing it in a non-domestic area also for the best. I use my dremel mainly to open the holes on tanks whenever the turret doesn't sit properly.
Title: Re: are these things made with lead?
Post by: John Cook on 01 April 2019, 05:29:42 AM
Quote from: Paper on 31 March 2019, 11:32:34 PM
Eh it's only like $30 bucks? Pretty easy and cheap, also it's useful for so many modeling tasks.


I've been using a similar tool called a Rotacraft which has most of the attachments shown in your illustration and is designed specifically for model making.  I use it for drilling, grinding and generally cleaning castings, and similar tasks, exactly as you do, and wouldn't be without it.  

There is no particular danger using it on white metal castings, resin or plastic, that I know of.  I do tend to wear a mouth and nose mask to avoid breathing in the dust, particularly when working with resin models, which is probably unnecessary but I'd rather not take the risk.  

As tools go it cuts time and effort dramatically, as you describe.
Title: Re: are these things made with lead?
Post by: jaztez on 01 April 2019, 05:51:45 AM
I just cut the bottom flash off with a Stanley knife. Takes two seconds a figure.

Some weird practises out there.
Title: Re: are these things made with lead?
Post by: FierceKitty on 01 April 2019, 06:01:46 AM
Whup, whup, whup with a file and the flash is gone.
Title: Re: are these things made with lead?
Post by: Techno on 01 April 2019, 06:35:12 AM
Hi Paper.

It's a damn useful 'tool'.....I use mine an awful lot of the time.

OK...So it sounds as though you're using what I refer to as the Carborundum discs.
Those shouldn't give you any problems, apart from their occasional tendency to snap/shatter......but only if you use them 'carelessly'.
That's pretty rare, though.

I've never had one shatter and hit me in the face, which would be the main thing to worry about with those discs.
I'd only worry about a 'shard' catching you in the eye.....So, safety goggles if you want to be as safe as poss, perhaps.

I don't use goggles myself, as my eyes are 'protected' by my glasses...and they in turn are covered by my Optivisor.

John Cook's tip about a face mask when 'Demmeling' certain materials is a good idea. :)

Cheers - Phil

Title: Re: are these things made with lead?
Post by: fsn on 01 April 2019, 06:36:45 AM
I'm with Paper*. I use the Dremel for bottom flattening, and for removing unsightly lines, and for drilling into tiny, tiny aircraft and ... lots of other things.

I have two Dremels. One for sanding, one for drilling. Love 'em.

I wear eye protection, but not a mask.



* Sorry Paper, probably makes it a minority opinion.
Title: Re: are these things made with lead?
Post by: Techno on 01 April 2019, 06:49:19 AM
I've got two of the drills, as well, Nobby.  :)

The MkII is pretty old, and is really there as just a back up, as it's difficult to change the chucks (?) on that one. (OK...I took it to bits, once, to clean it out thoroughly.....and I couldn't get one of the parts back in properly. :-[)

I burnt the motor out on the oldest (No. 3) Dremmel when I used a 'carb' disc to cut through an old rusted padlock, on one of the sheds....It did its job before it 'died', though.  ;D ;D ;D

Cheers - Phil
Title: Re: are these things made with lead?
Post by: fsn on 01 April 2019, 08:21:40 AM
I use the things that look like sandpaper Hola Hoops.

I know all the technical terms, me.
Title: Re: are these things made with lead?
Post by: Paper on 01 April 2019, 08:37:59 AM
I'm using sandpaper disks they are a bit like the cutting disks but they generally have some sort of mount. The cheap ones I got are sticky backed sandpaper disks that mount onto a rubber disk. So you know a disk rather then a sanding drum (that's the hula hoop ones I think.

The nicer sanding disks are foam rubber bases and the sand paper mounts with Velcro.

I need to get a power drill for slower Precision jobs as even a varaiable speed router goes pretty fast.
Title: Re: are these things made with lead?
Post by: Orcs on 01 April 2019, 09:13:33 AM
I would advise eye protection.  I was cutting a small section out of my skirting board and one of them shattered bouncing off my goggles.

I still agree with FK that a file is more sensible, I know FSN uses a dremel for flattening the bases, but you are not allowed to use FSN (or Nobby) in the same sentence as the word "sensible".

For your future reference other words not allowed in the same sentence as FSN or Nobby are :- Normal, Sane, or Tidy.






Title: Re: are these things made with lead?
Post by: John Cook on 01 April 2019, 10:09:51 AM
Quote from: jaztez on 01 April 2019, 05:51:45 AM
I just cut the bottom flash off with a Stanley knife. Takes two seconds a figure.

Some weird practises out there.

You still need to file it flat and if you've got a hundred or more figures to do it just saves time and effort.  However, I don't think using a Dremel or similar is mandatory. 
Title: Re: are these things made with lead?
Post by: John Cook on 01 April 2019, 10:12:06 AM
Good point about eye protection.  It didn't occur to me as I wear specs.
Title: Re: are these things made with lead?
Post by: fsn on 01 April 2019, 10:40:40 AM
Quote from: Orcs on 01 April 2019, 09:13:33 AM
I know FSN uses a dremel for flattening the bases, but you are not allowed to use FSN (or Nobby) in the same sentence as the word "sensible".

For your future reference other words not allowed in the same sentence as FSN or Nobby are :- Normal, Sane, or Tidy.
Yup. That's fair.
Title: Re: are these things made with lead?
Post by: Techno on 01 April 2019, 11:16:32 AM
Quote from: Orcs on 01 April 2019, 09:13:33 AM
but you are not allowed to use FSN (or Nobby) in the same sentence as the word "sensible".
For your future reference other words not allowed in the same sentence as FSN or Nobby are :- Normal, Sane, or Tidy.

I'm surprised that you didn't make a similar comment about me and safety, Mark. :D

Best not to advertise the way I slow my Dremmel down.....It works, but it would probably be frowned upon by Heath & Safety. ;)

Cheers - Phil
Title: Re: are these things made with lead?
Post by: FierceKitty on 01 April 2019, 11:24:53 AM
Quote from: Orcs on 01 April 2019, 09:13:33 AM


I ... agree with FK ...


Always a wise course of action.
Title: Re: are these things made with lead?
Post by: Westmarcher on 01 April 2019, 11:30:51 AM
Quote from: jaztez on 01 April 2019, 05:51:45 AM
I just cut the bottom flash off with a Stanley knife. Takes two seconds a figure.

Me, too ... except a simple craft knife suffices. Also use that for smoothing mould lines and removing flash.

Quote from: John Cook on 01 April 2019, 10:12:06 AM
Good point about eye protection.  It didn't occur to me as I wear specs.
Yep. It's easy to be lazy. Whilst power washing the patio the other day, a small stone flew up and hit my left lens. Initially annoyed with the scratch on the lens but better that than my eye. Safety googles still in the shed, of course.  :-[

Quote from: Techno on 01 April 2019, 11:16:32 AM
Best not to advertise the way I slow my Dremmel down.....It works, but it would probably be frowned upon by Heath & Safety. ;)
Hmm. Can't quite put my finger on it ....  :-\  ..... wait ..... do you?
Title: Re: are these things made with lead?
Post by: Techno on 01 April 2019, 12:46:58 PM
Quote from: Westmarcher on 01 April 2019, 11:30:51 AM

Hmm. Can't quite put my finger on it ....  :-\  ..... wait ..... do you?

No, Davy....I don't use a finger as a brake.  :P

It's a cheap piece of electrical 'equipment' that has a more 'normal' use.

It'll cope with anything up to 300w.....So I think it should be OK. :D

Cheers - Phil
Title: Re: are these things made with lead?
Post by: Orcs on 01 April 2019, 01:53:47 PM
Quote from: Techno on 01 April 2019, 12:46:58 PM
No, Davy....I don't use a finger as a brake.  :P

It's a cheap piece of electrical 'equipment' that has a more 'normal' use.

It'll cope with anything up to 300w.....So I think it should be OK. :D

Cheers - Phil

MMM I am intrigued, I have been thinking about ways of slowing my mini drill down more than the variable switch allows 
Title: Re: are these things made with lead?
Post by: fsn on 01 April 2019, 04:52:10 PM
The spycams I have Chez Techno have caught this photo of Techno slowing the Dremmel.

(https://thenypost.files.wordpress.com/2018/10/robo_emsculpt1a.jpg?quality=90&strip=all&strip=all)
Title: Re: are these things made with lead?
Post by: Techno on 01 April 2019, 05:18:50 PM
Nobby.....You're a complete OIK !!


Quote from: Orcs on 01 April 2019, 01:53:47 PM
MMM I am intrigued, I have been thinking about ways of slowing my mini drill down more than the variable switch allows 

Mark...I've sent you details in a plain brown e'mail.  :D
(Ooer, Matron.)


Cheers - Phil