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Wider Wargaming => Genre/Period Discussion => Ancients to Renaissance (3000BC - 1680) => Topic started by: d_Guy on 27 December 2018, 02:07:41 PM

Title: New Zealand Pom Poms
Post by: d_Guy on 27 December 2018, 02:07:41 PM
I am putting together a 3’ x 4’ traveling game to demonstrate For King & Parliament to other humans. The Battle of Montgomery (1644) is the example scenario in the rules and a useful common denominator (plus it has lots of cavalry which I almost never have in my usual gaming). I recently saw Paul’s pictures of Stow-on-the-Wold (1646) in which the NZ group used various colored 5mm pom poms for the variety of markers required for FK&P. I have seen them used before but until I saw Paul’s pics, I had never considered them.

I have a collection of markers made but for Ammo and Dash I use 5mm dice in frames as counters. They work fine for leisurely solo play but are a bit too fiddly for travel and quicker group play. So now I have pom poms:
(https://inredcoatragsattired.files.wordpress.com/2018/12/Montgomery-Royal.jpg?w=1000)
Green for Dash, Lavender for Ammo.

Thanks to the Kiwi gentlemen.
Title: Re: New Zealand Pom Poms
Post by: Duke Speedy of Leighton on 27 December 2018, 02:56:28 PM
Looks great
Title: Re: New Zealand Pom Poms
Post by: Ben Waterhouse on 27 December 2018, 03:37:17 PM
Lovely!
Title: Re: New Zealand Pom Poms
Post by: Duke Speedy of Leighton on 27 December 2018, 03:48:28 PM
Btw, Montgomery battlefield has a nasty, constant gradient which goes all the way up to the town, then there is a 1in3 to get to the castle, which then has a 100' cliff on the side facing the battlefield.
Plus the River Severn is about 25' across at Hen Domen!
Title: Re: New Zealand Pom Poms
Post by: mollinary on 27 December 2018, 05:12:40 PM
Quote from: mad lemmey on 27 December 2018, 03:48:28 PM
Btw, Montgomery battlefield has a nasty, constant gradient which goes all the way up to the town, then there is a 1in3 to get to the castle, which then has a 100' cliff on the side facing the battlefield.
Plus the River Severn is about 25' across at Hen Domen!

Sadly, ML, the Severn is not on the battlefield as identified by the Historical Assessment done for Cadw by Gildas Research in 2013, which I used to create the scenario!  The Bridge ahown is Boundary Bridge, and the site is to the north east of the castel, not the west.
Title: Re: New Zealand Pom Poms
Post by: d_Guy on 27 December 2018, 05:57:06 PM
Mollinary had sent me (thanks again!) the Cawd report to help me understand the scenario better. The Boundry Bridge crosses a very small tributary (we would call it a "Run") of the Camlad which, in turn, flows north and west to the Severn as it, itself, flows south. I was used to the classical construction of the battle with the Parliamentary axis of advance across the Salt Bridge on the Camlad and the Severn off to their right.
The whole thing gets rotated nearly 90deg to the east in the new account.

Having seen very few of the battlefields I greatly appreciate descriptions of the general area by people that have actually seen them. So thanks for that description Mr. Lemmy.

In my picture (above) the castle would be four or five grid boxes behind the Royalist positions in the foreground (on the steep rising ground you describe). Having the Parlimentarian garrison show up as a random event would be interesting.
Title: Re: New Zealand Pom Poms
Post by: pierre the shy on 27 December 2018, 06:33:51 PM
That layout looks familiar, having played the Montgomery scenario a couple of times now.

I am a "New Zealand Pom" but the coloured pom poms (well my ones anyway) come from Spotlight, a chain of craft shops in Australia/NZ.

We have used them as markers in several other rule sets including Volley & Bayonet (stands can get very colourful with yellow and red markers if they rout  ;) ) so it was only natural to adopt them as markers for FK@P.

Hope the demonstration games go well DGuy  :)




Title: Re: New Zealand Pom Poms
Post by: Maenoferren on 27 December 2018, 06:58:31 PM
Looking good!
Title: Re: New Zealand Pom Poms
Post by: paulr on 27 December 2018, 07:55:56 PM
 :-bd =D> :-bd

I also hope the demos go well

Quote from: pierre the shy on 27 December 2018, 06:33:51 PM
I am a "New Zealand Pom" but the coloured pom poms (well my ones anyway) come from Spotlight, a chain of craft shops in Australia/NZ.

A "New Zealand Pom" is an English / Britsh person living in New Zealand, there is much debate over the origins or pom or pommie, very little of it flattering to the poms ;)
Title: Re: New Zealand Pom Poms
Post by: d_Guy on 29 December 2018, 04:39:08 PM
Thanks, gentlemen!
Glad the Kiwi Krew grasped my humor.  :) :D
Title: Re: New Zealand Pom Poms
Post by: Orcs on 30 December 2018, 11:48:47 AM
I am VERY disappointed.  I saw the title of the thread and thought it was going to be pictures of attractive female Cheerleaders from New Zealand in low tops and short skirts  :(
Title: Re: New Zealand Pom Poms
Post by: Duke Speedy of Leighton on 30 December 2018, 12:06:37 PM
I thought it would be WW2 AA guns!
Title: Re: New Zealand Pom Poms
Post by: d_Guy on 30 December 2018, 11:24:18 PM
I actually call them "little fuzzy balls" but knew right off were that would lead.
Title: Re: New Zealand Pom Poms
Post by: paulr on 31 December 2018, 01:33:40 AM
I've recently found out they are also called felt balls, but where is the 'fun' in that ;) ;D
Title: Re: New Zealand Pom Poms
Post by: toxicpixie on 01 January 2019, 12:54:41 AM
Looks good!

Pom poms are surprisingly unobtrusive...


Is that a "more over here" moment - https://inredcoatragsattired.com/2018/12/31/the-montgomery-traveling-circus/
Title: Re: New Zealand Pom Poms
Post by: Norm on 01 January 2019, 05:23:32 AM
Very good, I have always felt that a 4' x 3' table makes a great demo size as it meets the real life table sizes that other humans have at home amd so more  inspiring for that.
Title: Re: New Zealand Pom Poms
Post by: d_Guy on 01 January 2019, 03:34:17 PM
Thanks for the link Pixie!

Norm as you are a master of small space gaming I have learned a good deal from your blog and comments here. The combination of For King and Parliament (TtS! As well) and 10mm allows for a good deal of shrinkage. My units are somewhat condensed, having been reduced from a 5" front (and roughly 30 to 35 figures) down to a 3" front ( 18 to 25 figures). I think you are quite correct in saying that the typical weekend wargamer (most often playing solo) has limited (and only periodically available) space.

I greatly admire the M&P units Mollinary, PaulR (and Pierre), and Zippee build and they look very proper. I have to give that up for space.
I followed a discussion recently on TMP regarding unrealistic formations. Mine are unrealistic in that I add increasing depth to the pikes to give a clue to the M to P ratio. It doesn't look quite right but I tend to be more interested in the play.
Title: Re: New Zealand Pom Poms
Post by: Orcs on 01 January 2019, 06:14:40 PM
These New Zealand pom poms are much nicer to look at. :)

(https://static2.stuff.co.nz/1355278649/757/8070757_600x400.jpg)

(https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-2df95f7258605a66b9a47ac473c04403)
Title: Re: New Zealand Pom Poms
Post by: d_Guy on 01 January 2019, 08:27:17 PM
Sorry, what pom poms?
Title: Re: New Zealand Pom Poms
Post by: Techno on 01 January 2019, 08:33:13 PM
What ARE they doing in the top piccy ?

Cheers - Phil
Title: Re: New Zealand Pom Poms
Post by: d_Guy on 02 January 2019, 03:52:39 AM
Quote from: Techno on 01 January 2019, 08:33:13 PM
What ARE they doing in the top piccy ?

Cheers - Phil

The Haka?  :-\
Title: Re: New Zealand Pom Poms
Post by: paulr on 02 January 2019, 05:42:11 AM
Definitely not
Title: Re: New Zealand Pom Poms
Post by: Orcs on 02 January 2019, 10:10:13 AM
Quote from: Techno on 01 January 2019, 08:33:13 PM
What ARE they doing in the top piccy ?

Cheers - Phil

I think your showing your age if that's what your looking at.
Title: Re: New Zealand Pom Poms
Post by: Womble67 on 03 January 2019, 02:42:27 PM
Quote from: d_Guy on 27 December 2018, 02:07:41 PM
I am putting together a 3' x 4' traveling game to demonstrate For King & Parliament to other humans. The Battle of Montgomery (1644) is the example scenario in the rules and a useful common denominator (plus it has lots of cavalry which I almost never have in my usual gaming). I recently saw Paul's pictures of Stow-on-the-Wold (1646) in which the NZ group used various colored 5mm pom poms for the variety of markers required for FK&P. I have seen them used before but until I saw Paul's pics, I had never considered them.

I have a collection of markers made but for Ammo and Dash I use 5mm dice in frames as counters. They work fine for leisurely solo play but are a bit too fiddly for travel and quicker group play. So now I have pom poms:
(https://inredcoatragsattired.files.wordpress.com/2018/12/Montgomery-Royal.jpg?w=1000)
Green for Dash, Lavender for Ammo.

Thanks to the Kiwi gentlemen.

Good idea

Quote from: Orcs on 01 January 2019, 06:14:40 PM
These New Zealand pom poms are much nicer to look at. :)

(https://static2.stuff.co.nz/1355278649/757/8070757_600x400.jpg)

(https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-2df95f7258605a66b9a47ac473c04403)

Might I suggest Leon knocks us up a bag to two to support our games

Take care

Andy