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Title: Wargaming and Academia
Post by: sunjester on 18 December 2018, 07:14:05 AM
I came across this interesting article https://www.bowdoin.edu/news/2018/12/taking-on-the-romans-history-through-wargaming.html
Title: Re: Wargaming and Academia
Post by: Womble67 on 18 December 2018, 09:55:54 AM
Nice find

Take care

Andy
Title: Re: Wargaming and Academia
Post by: Westmarcher on 18 December 2018, 10:21:04 AM
Ta. Looks interesting. Will try to have a look later (video is about 30 mins long).
Title: Re: Wargaming and Academia
Post by: steve_holmes_11 on 18 December 2018, 01:34:31 PM
When I saw the title I wondered whether it would be a rundown of academics who publish wargames.

I know of Phil Sabin (Lost Battles) and Sam Mustafa (Rommel, Blucher, Lasalle, many others).
Don't know whether Paddy Giffith's time at Sandhurst qualifies or not (Have never been sure whether vocational colleges count as academic).


I wondered whether there was a balancing anti-intellectual tendency in the hobby?

The comedians can point be at the handful or two of good ole boys who rule the roost at TMP.
I'm also told that John Curry's forword in Target for Tonight takes an uncalled for pot at"Revisionist historians in their ivory towers".


Can we expand (or correct) the list of academics and anti-intellectuals in the hobby.
Title: Re: Wargaming and Academia
Post by: Chris Pringle on 18 December 2018, 01:52:14 PM
Quote from: steve_holmes_11 on 18 December 2018, 01:34:31 PM
Can we expand (or correct) the list of academics and anti-intellectuals in the hobby.

Professor Nick Murray at the US Naval War College is increasingly influential:
https://bloodybigbattles.blogspot.com/2017/01/wargaming-at-us-naval-war-college.html

And of course our good friend on this forum, Konstantinos Travlos:
https://phdleadhead.blogspot.com/

Chris

Bloody Big BATTLES!
https://uk.groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/BBB_wargames/info
Title: Re: Wargaming and Academia
Post by: d_Guy on 18 December 2018, 02:44:29 PM
Interesting link(s) - thanks all.

Steve - you triggered an ancient memory. In a box somewhere I have Paddy Griffith's Sandhurst Wargame book. Don't remember much about its content only it was a really large, oversized book!
Title: Re: Wargaming and Academia
Post by: steve_holmes_11 on 23 December 2018, 10:51:22 PM
I'd hasten to add that I don't mean to sound disdainful about anti-intellectuals.
It requires a great mind to wield Occam's razor with elan.
Title: Re: Wargaming and Academia
Post by: Sunray on 24 December 2018, 02:57:25 PM
Quote from: steve_holmes_11 on 18 December 2018, 01:34:31 PM

Don't know whether Paddy Giffith's time at Sandhurst qualifies or not (Have never been sure whether vocational colleges count as academic).


"Tips" was no mean academic. Wargaming aside, his contribution to military history and the revision of the orthodox approach - ( limited to society, causation of conflict and politics) as opposed to what was achieved or lost via the actual conflict , and a study of the men, tactics, weapons, innovation and (love this one!) luck on the field - raised the bar. 

Even the great AJP Taylor did no have a clue as to what really was the tactics in a so called "Blitzkrieg attack".   PG's lecture to explain what the Blitzkrieg misnomer really represented  was the Battle of Megiddo (September 1918). 

I had the privilege of meeting/listening to both Paddy and the late David Chandler.  Where shall we see their likes again?
Title: Re: Wargaming and Academia
Post by: Duke Speedy of Leighton on 24 December 2018, 04:04:23 PM
Dr Simon Elliot has published a huge amount on the Romans. He's also a decent wargamer!
Title: Re: Wargaming and Academia
Post by: Nick the Lemming on 24 December 2018, 04:21:06 PM
There's also Dr Phil Hendry (Augustus to Aurelian rules, as well as general wargaming). Chris Pringle hasn't tooted his own horn, but should (BBB, new translation of Clausewitz' "Napoleon's Italian 1796 campaign").

Title: Re: Wargaming and Academia
Post by: steve_holmes_11 on 25 December 2018, 05:44:44 PM
Quote from: Sunray on 24 December 2018, 02:57:25 PM
"Tips" was no mean academic. Wargaming aside, his contribution to military history and the revision of the orthodox approach - ( limited to society, causation of conflict and politics) as opposed to what was achieved or lost via the actual conflict , and a study of the men, tactics, weapons, innovation and (love this one!) luck on the field - raised the bar. 

Even the great AJP Taylor did no have a clue as to what really was the tactics in a so called "Blitzkrieg attack".   PG's lecture to explain what the Blitzkrieg misnomer really represented  was the Battle of Megiddo (September 1918). 

I had the privilege of meeting/listening to both Paddy and the late David Chandler.  Where shall we see their likes again?

I met Paddy once, an impressive character with plenty to offer.
He buttonholed me at a show and attempted to interest me in Wargame Developments.
Until that point I was completely unaware of his work or standing.
I, being a peniless academic researcher, couldn't imagine travelling cross country to attend weekend conferences (unless it was at my employer's expense).
Thus I missed the wargame developments bus, and an opportunity to spend more time with Mr Griffith.

I became more aware of his standing and contribution to gaming thought, and liked what I saw.
Alas our paths never crossed again.
It saddened to hear of his passing at a relatively young age.
Title: Re: Wargaming and Academia
Post by: Last Hussar on 27 December 2018, 09:57:38 AM
QuoteI wondered whether there was a balancing anti-intellectual tendency in the hobby?

Yes.

Orcs
Title: Re: Wargaming and Academia
Post by: paulr on 27 December 2018, 08:07:34 PM
 ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Wargaming and Academia
Post by: Sunray on 28 December 2018, 08:04:49 AM
Quote from: Last Hussar on 27 December 2018, 09:57:38 AM
Yes.

Orcs

Same in all aspects of human endeavour.  I would argue that PG and Chandler were a breed apart.  Far removed from the ivory tower, and grounded in the study of how war was waged, as opposed to mere causal factors.   They influenced a generation of military commanders.