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Title: Madaxeman takes the Han Chinese to Limerick (ADLG reports)
Post by: madaxeman on 05 August 2018, 09:11:27 PM
There once was a man with an axe,
Who played ADLG to relax.
A comp in Limerick Town (https://www.madaxeman.com/reports/Limerick_2018_1.php),
Would see much Guinness go down,
On the plane was a Chinese army he'd packed.

(https://www.madaxeman.com/images/gamereportimages/Limerick_2018/IMG_0488.JPG)

That Keith Duffy bloke was nowhere to be seen,
But the chap from the Hobbit – yes, he'd been!
The Emerald Isle suits this game,
You can drink as yer' playin',
Which in Limerick makes everyone keen!

(https://www.madaxeman.com/images/gamereportimages/Limerick_2018/IMGP0689.JPG)

There were five games that went down in two days,
Although hangovers made most just a haze,
Many dice they were rolled,
And when the final bell tolled,
Well.. you must read on to see what Hannibal says (https://www.madaxeman.com/reports/Limerick_2018_1.php)!

(https://www.madaxeman.com/images/gamereportimages/Limerick_2018/IMGP0700.JPG)

(If that all makes no sense at all, there are 5 new ADLG battle reports (https://www.madaxeman.com/reports/Limerick_2018_1.php) now on http://Madaxeman.com (http://Madaxeman.com) featuring Han Chinese in action in Ireland!)
Title: Re: Madaxeman takes the Han Chinese to Limerick (ADLG reports)
Post by: Duke Speedy of Leighton on 05 August 2018, 10:12:42 PM
Nice one Tim
Title: Re: Madaxeman takes the Han Chinese to Limerick (ADLG reports)
Post by: Techno on 06 August 2018, 05:23:17 AM
 :-bd :-bd

Cheers - Phil
Title: Re: Madaxeman takes the Han Chinese to Limerick (ADLG reports)
Post by: paulr on 06 August 2018, 05:44:29 AM
 :-bd
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Title: Re: Madaxeman takes the Han Chinese to Limerick (ADLG reports)
Post by: Leman on 06 August 2018, 06:22:43 AM
Mr.Muggins here doesn't know what ADLG stands for.  :-/
Title: Re: Madaxeman takes the Han Chinese to Limerick (ADLG reports)
Post by: madaxeman on 06 August 2018, 06:25:01 AM
L'Art de la Guerre - most widely played Ancients ruleset in the world right now...
Title: Re: Madaxeman takes the Han Chinese to Limerick (ADLG reports)
Post by: fsn on 06 August 2018, 06:39:13 AM
Nicely done, Sir, nicely done. .
Title: Re: Madaxeman takes the Han Chinese to Limerick (ADLG reports)
Post by: Lord Kermit of Birkenhead on 06 August 2018, 06:52:20 AM
Quote from: madaxeman on 06 August 2018, 06:25:01 AM
L'Art de la Guerre - most widely played Ancients ruleset in the world right now...

Cept for Hail CEaser, DBA, Swordpoint, 6th Ed, etc.....
Title: Re: Madaxeman takes the Han Chinese to Limerick (ADLG reports)
Post by: Duke Speedy of Leighton on 06 August 2018, 07:22:59 AM
 ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Madaxeman takes the Han Chinese to Limerick (ADLG reports)
Post by: Sunray on 06 August 2018, 07:39:54 AM
Thanks for posting Tim- see what you mean about the skirmish effect of ADLG.

Yes, Limerick does a good breakfast served with criac. The city is famous for its traditional hams.

The Irish will appreciate the Eurovision joke - it sparked a Father Ted parody.

The Ulster Breakfast is perhaps the best with its tasty potato and soda breads, pork sausages, crispy back bacon and mushrooms/black pudding.
Title: Re: Madaxeman takes the Han Chinese to Limerick (ADLG reports)
Post by: Leman on 06 August 2018, 09:03:22 AM
Two things:

1] Never played Art de la Guerre - my favourites are TtS and BS2.

2] I imagine most wargamer's will be shocked, but I can't stand fried breakfasts, roast dinners or vast quantities of alcohol.
Title: Re: Madaxeman takes the Han Chinese to Limerick (ADLG reports)
Post by: toxicpixie on 06 August 2018, 12:23:40 PM
Most played competition set, anyway - and very popular amongst the gamers I know outside of comps too, for that matter, although "most popular in the world" is a bit unquantifiable :D

Wonder what sales of other sets versus AdlG sales would say, although that still doesn't measure actual usage in the field...

Have to say I like them, they give a good game across a wide period even if I think these days I lean to more period/theatre specific rules on the whole.

Leman, these days whilst I like the first two of those I really can't cope with vast quantities of alcohol, think I may have stocked up on that in my earlier days ;)

Title: Re: Madaxeman takes the Han Chinese to Limerick (ADLG reports)
Post by: madaxeman on 06 August 2018, 12:35:42 PM
Quote from: toxicpixie on 06 August 2018, 12:23:40 PM
Most played competition set, anyway - and very popular amongst the gamers I know outside of comps too, for that matter, although "most popular in the world" is a bit unquantifiable :D

Wonder what sales of other sets versus AdlG sales would say, although that still doesn't measure actual usage in the field...

Have to say I like them, they give a good game across a wide period even if I think these days I lean to more period/theatre specific rules on the whole.

Leman, these days whilst I like the first two of those I really can't cope with vast quantities of alcohol, think I may have stocked up on that in my earlier days ;)


Well, the science is....

Competition-wise its undoubtedly the most widely played ancients set in the world - that can be definitively measured by numbers of people in the rankings in the various countries where they are published.

There's likely to be a strong correlation - but not a perfect one - between numbers of active competition gamers and non-competition gamers, and so there's more reason to suggest its the most widely played ancients set than there is for any other based on competition data.

In terms of numbers, the other way of measuring it is to look at print runs - based on postings on social media and other forums by North Star (who are the global distributor of ADLG) they have said they are now onto the 4th print run of the English-language version. I have seen posts from them suggesting that each print run has been between 1,000-2,500 copies, so even averaging that out at a lowball 1,500 per run you are probably looking at more than 5,000 English-language sets being sold in the last 2-3 years. There are also French (original) and Spanish language editions which have been published too in a similar timeframe, adding to that number.

I'm struggling to see much out there to suggest that any other Ancients set has been shifting similar numbers of copies (lets say 6,000 minimum) in the last few years..
Title: Re: Madaxeman takes the Han Chinese to Limerick (ADLG reports)
Post by: toxicpixie on 06 August 2018, 01:33:47 PM
I suspect all sales of other sets totalled are probably less than that, Tim :D

Although as Warlord just gave away the PDFs for Hail Caesar maybe I'm wrong ;)

That doesn't account for "legacy" systems that people already own, I suppose, but I think you're probably right on the correlation, it'll be a strong one anyway.
Title: Re: Madaxeman takes the Han Chinese to Limerick (ADLG reports)
Post by: madaxeman on 06 August 2018, 02:03:54 PM
Quote from: toxicpixie on 06 August 2018, 01:33:47 PM
That doesn't account for "legacy" systems that people already own, I suppose, but I think you're probably right on the correlation, it'll be a strong one anyway.

I guess I was working on the assumption of "shiny shiny" syndrome, whereby most wargamers are much more likely to play the latest hotness, and use of legacy systems tails off after a few years   8)
Title: Re: Madaxeman takes the Han Chinese to Limerick (ADLG reports)
Post by: toxicpixie on 06 August 2018, 02:11:11 PM
Certainly did on the comp scene, although there's still some die hards playing DBSomething they do seem to be fading away over time!
Title: Re: Madaxeman takes the Han Chinese to Limerick (ADLG reports)
Post by: Leman on 06 August 2018, 06:55:31 PM
Still don't appeal with that dreaded word 'competition' attached to them.
Title: Re: Madaxeman takes the Han Chinese to Limerick (ADLG reports)
Post by: toxicpixie on 06 August 2018, 08:17:18 PM
I'm infused about competition play, but they're s very enjoyable game with very few awkward bits!
Title: Re: Madaxeman takes the Han Chinese to Limerick (ADLG reports)
Post by: madaxeman on 06 August 2018, 09:41:44 PM
Quote from: Leman on 06 August 2018, 06:55:31 PM
Still don't appeal with that dreaded word 'competition' attached to them.

Erm... one of your two favourite rulesets (Tts) has a "World Championships" competition each year organised by the author himself ...  :-[
Title: Re: Madaxeman takes the Han Chinese to Limerick (ADLG reports)
Post by: Leman on 07 August 2018, 05:49:44 AM
Maybe, but you won't see me there. To misquote James Tiberius Kirk - Competitions, where's the fun in that!
Title: Re: Madaxeman takes the Han Chinese to Limerick (ADLG reports)
Post by: Norm on 07 August 2018, 09:45:00 AM
I am only guessing, but when something like Hail Caesar / BP is produced, for scale of economies, I would have thought that a print run of say 20,000 with sales spread over 5 years would not be beyond reasonable limits. Hail Caesar was included in their basic Roman / Celt starter package for a few years, which must have helped volume sales.

Though what is actually bought the msot and what is actually played the most may of course be two separate things.
Title: Re: Madaxeman takes the Han Chinese to Limerick (ADLG reports)
Post by: toxicpixie on 07 August 2018, 11:24:48 AM
Very true Norm, I have a loft full of exciting shiny rules 99% don't see table!
Title: Re: Madaxeman takes the Han Chinese to Limerick (ADLG reports)
Post by: Leman on 07 August 2018, 12:01:36 PM
Own and still not played Hail Caesar and Pike and Shotte, although Black Powder has seen a number of outings, most notably 28mm Carlist Wars, AWI and Crimea and 15mm ACW. I actually quite like the Glory Hallelujah supplement for use with smallish regimental level scenarios as it is considerably less faffy  than RF&F.