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Title: Schleswig-Holstein Dragoons
Post by: Leman on 03 August 2018, 06:07:21 AM
These seem like a bit of an omission from the First Schleswig-Holstein War. The Dragoons have a large Prussian-style steel cuirassier helmet, but no armour, making them quite difficult to proxy, the FPW Prussian dragoons having too small a helmet without the deep neck guard. Besides it seems odd to have the Schleswig-Holstein army minus its own cavalry.
Title: Re: Schleswig-Holstein Dragoons
Post by: Leon on 04 August 2018, 10:33:15 PM
Isn't that these guys in the Danish range, code SHD8 (Dragoons in helmet):

(https://pendraken.co.uk/_img/products/1257/SHD8.jpg)

We had a Danish customer providing all of the reference material for these ranges so the figures should be spot on I'd hope.
Title: Re: Schleswig-Holstein Dragoons
Post by: Leman on 05 August 2018, 07:03:23 AM
Unfortunately those are not the Schleswig-Holstein dragoons of 1848, those are their Danish opponents. There were two regiments of S-H dragoons who wore a light blue skirted tunic and trousers and a tall steel pickelhaub with extended flexible neckguard, very like and over-sized Prussian cuirassier helmet:

[img]https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwiQkcDcq9XcAhUQzoUKHQCdCxsQjRx6BAgBEAU&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.pinterest.com%2Fpin%2F776659898214094520%2F&psig=AOvVaw1NfGo6M_xMVAj_wJKbypfy&ust=1533538892802670[img]

I googled this image but don't have the know-how to turn it into a picture.
Title: Re: Schleswig-Holstein Dragoons
Post by: paulr on 05 August 2018, 07:47:46 AM
(https://i.pinimg.com/736x/90/8a/03/908a039679df190476ab339b8c8036cf--second-empire-uniform.jpg)

There is the picture
Title: Re: Schleswig-Holstein Dragoons
Post by: Duke Speedy of Leighton on 05 August 2018, 08:23:06 AM
Prussian dragoons could procy?
Title: Re: Schleswig-Holstein Dragoons
Post by: Leman on 05 August 2018, 11:51:30 AM
The real point is the helmet. If 1870 figures could proxy why bother making the infantry and artillery. The headgear of 1848 may well be a pickelhaub, but it is a very different beast from 1870.
Title: Re: Schleswig-Holstein Dragoons
Post by: Leon on 06 August 2018, 10:55:37 AM
Ah right, my mistake, you'd mentioned cuirassier helmets so I was looking for something different.  This range was done before I was dealing with the sculptors so I can only think that the FPW Dragoons must have been considered close enough to be a proxy.  There are the different height picklehaubs on the infantry but that's not been carried over into a new cavalry figure.  It might be one for the future, but we'd need quite a few requests for it to become viable I'm afraid.
Title: Re: Schleswig-Holstein Dragoons
Post by: xccam on 06 August 2018, 11:44:30 AM
The Prussian infantry have Pickelhaub - might be expensive and a lot of work but you could always snip their heads off to use.
Title: Re: Schleswig-Holstein Dragoons
Post by: Leman on 06 August 2018, 07:01:21 PM
I've been giving it some thought. The Red Eagle dragoons have pretty big heads. A touch of green stuff to elongate and articulate the neck guard should do the trick. Might also attempt to elongate the spike as well.
Title: Re: Schleswig-Holstein Dragoons
Post by: Dave Fielder on 06 August 2018, 08:13:45 PM
Elongate a 10mm spike!! :o
Title: Re: Schleswig-Holstein Dragoons
Post by: Leman on 07 August 2018, 05:51:14 AM
Nothing like a bit of experimentation.
Title: Re: Schleswig-Holstein Dragoons
Post by: mollinary on 09 August 2018, 06:37:03 PM
Would the Russian Dragoons in CR5, in the Crimean War Range,  not make a decent proxy?
Title: Re: Schleswig-Holstein Dragoons
Post by: Leman on 10 August 2018, 06:35:00 AM
Just taken a look at the photos, Andrew. What a great idea, thanks very much. They should make a really good S-H dragoon. Will get Leon to bring a couple of packs to Colours for me.  :-bd
Title: Re: Schleswig-Holstein Dragoons
Post by: mollinary on 10 August 2018, 07:08:57 AM
Quote from: Leman on 10 August 2018, 06:35:00 AM
Just taken a look at the photos, Andrew. What a great idea, thanks very much. They should make a really good S-H dragoon. Will get Leon to bring a couple of packs to Colours for me.  :-bd

Excellent!  Glad to be of help.

Andrew
Title: Re: Schleswig-Holstein Dragoons
Post by: Leman on 12 August 2018, 08:43:45 PM
Just taken a closer look at the Russian dragoons - they are wearing greatcoats. I may well get one pack to do one regiment in greatcoat to differentiate from the other regiment. For that one I intend to use the Prussian cuirassier with a little judicious filing. It looks pretty straightforward to shave down the edges of the cuirass. As this is a project earmarked for after my 15mm WWI I should be able to show my efforts relatively soon.