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Non-Wargaming Discussion => Fun Stuff => Topic started by: d_Guy on 10 July 2018, 06:49:10 PM

Title: English Sports for the Non-English
Post by: d_Guy on 10 July 2018, 06:49:10 PM
As a Dang Foreigner I found the following video gave me a sound understanding of the basics:
Title: Re: English Sports for the Non-English
Post by: fsn on 10 July 2018, 07:37:44 PM
Mornington Crescent ... that's a proper English Game.
Many a happy evening spent at a family Christmas, though my ex-wife loved to play Cockfosters a bit too much.

Original Modern rules ... to get you started


Congestion charge zones only ... but an explanation of the rules


Then there's the local variants ... here's the Standard Essex Protocols which is quite a simple variant


International French version - Mornington Croissant


Classic from 1981 to show how it used to be played when I was a lad.


Expert level - lots of huffs in this version, with a triptych declared!



Hope this clarifies.
Title: Re: English Sports for the Non-English
Post by: Leman on 10 July 2018, 07:55:01 PM
Quote from: d_Guy on 10 July 2018, 06:49:10 PM
As a Dang Foreigner I found the following video gave me a sound understanding of the basics:

Yet another of Phil Barker's quick to grasp games.
Title: Re: English Sports for the Non-English
Post by: d_Guy on 10 July 2018, 09:09:06 PM
Completely transparent,fsn,thanks!
I'm not sure how the play sequence, Hoxton - Warren Street - Mornington Cresent should have been allowed, however.

Mrs. Trellis, an example of wisdom of the Welch

Wasn't there a card in the original "Kingmaker" - "Percy to Cockermouth" and would THAT be allowable?

Leman, is Phil Barker a sports color analyst for BBC5?
Title: Re: English Sports for the Non-English
Post by: Last Hussar on 10 July 2018, 11:17:36 PM
Quote from: d_Guy on 10 July 2018, 09:09:06 PM

Wasn't there a card in the original "Kingmaker" - "Percy to Cockermouth" and would THAT be allowable?


Are we playing the Ancient modern rules, or the Modern ancient rules

Also, no diagonals on a Tuesday.
Title: Re: English Sports for the Non-English
Post by: d_Guy on 10 July 2018, 11:42:35 PM
Late pre-modern or early post-ancient with the Sanborne variants. Either is suitable.

With respect, the no diagonal rule applies to all days that contain the letter "T" (but "t" is OK). Here in the States on "Thanksgiving", double flyovers are allowed (but usually we are watching actual football so it usual doesn't matter).

It coming home!
Title: Re: English Sports for the Non-English
Post by: fsn on 11 July 2018, 06:52:16 AM
Quote from: d_Guy on 10 July 2018, 11:42:35 PM
...but usually we are watching actual football so it usual doesn't matter)*

Do you mean actual foot-ball when the objctive is to use the foot on the ball, or that spectacle played on the left hand side of the pond in which the ball spends more contact time with armpits that it does feet? Where armoured behemoths run around aimlessly for 15 seconds and get winded so they have to have a huddle and emotionally validate each other and someone comes on from the sidelines and reminds them that they're supposed to be taking a rugby ball for a walk and then they can do their funny dance and in the meantime pretty girls are chanting incantations and throwing each other around in an effort to inject some entertainment into an overlong production which makes a Pinter play seem like a Jet Li film.**



*you are deliberately baiting us!  Well done. ;D
** in only 11 minutes out of 3 hours 12 minutes is the ball actually in play in an average professional game.  
Title: Re: English Sports for the Non-English
Post by: Leman on 11 July 2018, 07:46:35 AM
I think Percy to Cockermouth is definitely illegal in some states.
Title: Re: English Sports for the Non-English
Post by: Techno on 11 July 2018, 08:01:38 AM
Stop it, Andy !  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Cheers - Phil
Title: Re: English Sports for the Non-English
Post by: Duke Speedy of Leighton on 11 July 2018, 12:14:10 PM
The second wiffle was obviously flat turned!
Title: Re: English Sports for the Non-English
Post by: d_Guy on 11 July 2018, 12:15:38 PM
 ;D Lemon, I think that was a yellow card.


Fsn, your description is apt but misses the more cerebral aspects (which are the body of the game!)
Much like a wargame, what you see is akin to the die roll. The bulk of the game is played in the mind in a series of moves and counter moves where players are positioned and repositioned, tables are consulted, and a vast array of deceptions, tactics, and exhortations are winnowed through. The 11 minutes are the die roll, the rest of the three plus hours are the actual game.  :D

As to baiting you (all) - I try but am deeply handicapped by understanding less that 12% of the references!

With kickoff in less than an hour, I say again, "It's coming home"
Title: Re: English Sports for the Non-English
Post by: d_Guy on 11 July 2018, 12:18:35 PM
Quote from: mad lemmey on 11 July 2018, 12:14:10 PM
The second wiffle was obviously flat turned!

This is in reference to the “Hoxton - Warren Street - Mornington Crescent” gambit or Leman’s conjecture?
Title: Re: English Sports for the Non-English
Post by: Leman on 11 July 2018, 03:20:48 PM
Queen Victoria: I have to attend the opening of a new mine in Cleckheaton. It can be terribly cold up north.

Lady-in-waiting: Wear the Fox hat, your majesty.

Queen Victoria: It's somewhere in Yorkshire I believe.

Title: Re: English Sports for the Non-English
Post by: Duke Speedy of Leighton on 11 July 2018, 03:55:41 PM
Quote from: d_Guy on 11 July 2018, 12:18:35 PM
This is in reference to the "Hoxton - Warren Street - Mornington Crescent" gambit or Leman's conjecture?

Actually, the second board repositioning on the original video!
Title: Re: English Sports for the Non-English
Post by: d_Guy on 11 July 2018, 03:55:59 PM
 ;D ;D Gad, two in a row, Leman.
Title: Re: English Sports for the Non-English
Post by: d_Guy on 11 July 2018, 04:01:25 PM
Quote from: mad lemmey on 11 July 2018, 03:55:41 PM
Actually, the second board repositioning on the original video!

Ah! Thanks Mr. Lemmy, I missed the use of Bruce-Partington Plan B. Very subtle but majorly effective.
Title: Re: English Sports for the Non-English
Post by: OldenBUA on 11 July 2018, 04:05:32 PM
Ah, yes Jiskefet (i.e. trashcan in Frisian). Liked some of their stuff, but not everything. No longer made but they probably wouldn't get away with it anyway in this day and age. Some of their stuff would definitely get several red cards on this forum.   :-*
Title: Re: English Sports for the Non-English
Post by: fsn on 11 July 2018, 05:34:46 PM
Quote from: d_Guy on 11 July 2018, 12:15:38 PM
Fsn, your description is apt but misses the more cerebral aspects (which are the body of the game!)
Much like a wargame, what you see is akin to the die roll. The bulk of the game is played in the mind in a series of moves and counter moves where players are positioned and repositioned, tables are consulted, and a vast array of deceptions, tactics, and exhortations are winnowed through. The 11 minutes are the die roll, the rest of the three plus hours are the actual game.  :D
Yeah, but watching someone think is a bit boring, innit?
Better to record the thing and just fast forward for the 11 minutes.
Title: Re: English Sports for the Non-English
Post by: d_Guy on 11 July 2018, 08:47:43 PM
Quote from: fsn on 11 July 2018, 05:34:46 PM
Yeah, but watching someone think is a bit boring, innit?
No.

Quote from: fsn on 11 July 2018, 05:34:46 PM
Better to record the thing and just fast forward for the 11 minutes.
OK - I confess - I have done this - but pureists never do!

Dang, England!!
Title: Re: English Sports for the Non-English
Post by: Last Hussar on 13 July 2018, 06:35:39 PM
I'll never get bored watching FSN.