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Wider Wargaming => General Discussion => Topic started by: Norm on 19 June 2018, 01:43:58 PM

Title: 6mm and 10mm represented in latest Wargames Illustrated
Post by: Norm on 19 June 2018, 01:43:58 PM
There has long been a feeling that magazines concentrate on the larger scales for photographic reasons and that any sense of balance of what is happening in the real wargame world is lost.

The postman has just delivered the latest Wargames Illustrated (this should be in the shops at the end of the month) and there is a goodly nod to both 6mm and 10mm, so well done them, I hope they see a pick up in sales at WH Smiths, so that they are encouraged to do more of the same.
Title: Re: 6mm and 10mm represented in latest Wargames Illustrated
Post by: Leman on 19 June 2018, 06:11:32 PM
There has been a  long-running thread on the Baccus forum about this very topic.
Title: Re: 6mm and 10mm represented in latest Wargames Illustrated
Post by: Norm on 19 June 2018, 06:43:06 PM
Yes, I found that and tried to add a comment, but not for the first time my password (I love Pendraken) was not accepted, so will have to go down the 'forgotten' password' route again to sort it out!

I think Pete Berry, is right in his questioning about the consistent magazine content over the years and the general lack of diversity, as a magazine just representing a single large scale at the expense of others is not reflecting the type of gaming that many gamers are doing at home. I suppose looking at the advertisement content of the mags tells it's own tale.

I have been an avid buyer of all three magazines for many years, but this year, for the first time, that blind loyalty is under review.

Interestingly, over the last 3 years or so at wargame shows, there has been a real positive shift towards 'kitchen table' type gaming, with those tables taking their place alongside the 12 - 16 foot tables.   
Title: Re: 6mm and 10mm represented in latest Wargames Illustrated
Post by: Subedai on 19 June 2018, 07:18:34 PM
Three words...about bl**dy time!
Title: Re: 6mm and 10mm represented in latest Wargames Illustrated
Post by: Steve J on 19 June 2018, 07:37:35 PM
I know one of the WI photographers and we chatted about this subject several years ago. Frankly at shows it is hard to get magazine quality pics, mainly due to the lighting. 28mm is, apparently, more forgiving in this respect. Not sure of this is true as I know sod all about photography
Title: Re: 6mm and 10mm represented in latest Wargames Illustrated
Post by: Leon on 19 June 2018, 09:19:34 PM
Good to see this when our magazine arrived today!  I'm hoping we can see more like this going forward.
Title: Re: 6mm and 10mm represented in latest Wargames Illustrated
Post by: Leman on 19 June 2018, 09:24:59 PM
I can't imagine a professional photographer preparing photos for a magazine and knowing how B awful sports centre etc. lighting is, would travel to such a venue without at least a small portable light. After all, the photos appearing in the magazines these days do not look as though they have been taken 'in passing'.
Title: Re: 6mm and 10mm represented in latest Wargames Illustrated
Post by: Womble67 on 20 June 2018, 09:30:25 AM
it's always good news when the smaller scales are in the magazines

Take care

Andy
Title: Re: 6mm and 10mm represented in latest Wargames Illustrated
Post by: Subedai on 20 June 2018, 07:45:33 PM
Most decent SLR -Single Lens Reflex not Self Loading Rifle- camera's nowadays have the ability to take pictures in 'RAW' which are the unedited versions of the pics in question. You can set the RAW files to be up to the max number of pixies you can fit in the back of your camera so the pixies are all there, they are just not painting fast enough to show the full picture. You can edit them till your hearts content so even the pic is not all that clear, programs such as Photoshop or Lightroom can do a good job on them. I've taken pics that looked like a black cat in a coalhouse at midnight but Photoshop has sorted them for me.

I reckon the magazine photographers just see 6 and 10mm as not being photogenic enough and can't be ar*ed.
Title: Re: 6mm and 10mm represented in latest Wargames Illustrated
Post by: Steve J on 20 June 2018, 08:21:46 PM
A lot of truth I think in what you say Subedai. Certainly 28mm etc can look better (which is subjective I admit) in the relatively small images within a magazine. Also IIRC there was talk before about pressure from the big boys in wargaming wanting their products on display, or they might withdraw their advertising revenue etc. I'm certainly going to buy the forthcoming issue just to see figures in a scale that is of interest to me.
Title: Re: 6mm and 10mm represented in latest Wargames Illustrated
Post by: steve_holmes_11 on 20 June 2018, 09:22:30 PM
I've pretty much given up on the "dead tree press" of the hobby.

1. My occasional glances at the covers leave me feeling they've gone down the "White dwarf: House magazine" rabbithole.
2. Slavish dedication to "Horribly deformed hulking great oaf" size figures.
3. The hobby is more diverse now (see other threads here) and the Interwebs are simply a more interactive and agile place for my gaming fix.

I might still be subscribing if points 1 and 2 weren't so glaring.
Title: Re: 6mm and 10mm represented in latest Wargames Illustrated
Post by: fsn on 21 June 2018, 06:46:33 AM
I put away regularly buying wargames magazines several years ago. Too little of the content was of interest (and that's with my butterfly mind) and the reliance of understanding of specific rulesets turned me off.

The only think I buy now is Ancient Warfare Magazine and Medieval Warfare Magazine, and that's only when the cover story grabs me.

Title: Re: 6mm and 10mm represented in latest Wargames Illustrated
Post by: Leman on 21 June 2018, 06:55:57 AM
I too now have a good look through in Smith's and only rarely actually buy. I have bought the latest (June) WI as it has the Italian Wars amendments for Lion Rampant
Title: Re: 6mm and 10mm represented in latest Wargames Illustrated
Post by: Norm on 21 June 2018, 07:24:33 AM
The nearest bigger Smiths to me used to get 12 copies of Miniature Wargames on their shelves and that pretty much lasted the month. Now they get three copies.

two months ago, the three copies were still there at the end of the month,

last month they put a free model kit on the front of the magazine and they all sold within a few days. The model was sci-fi based, so it would seem that the Sci-Fi part of the audience is important to the magazine.

I bought this months issue (but not the previous 2 months), so  there are still two left of the shelf!

The only problem that I have with the internet thing is that if you get a mag, you pay for it, which is at least fair and then you can judge whether the amount of material you actually read is worth that money, but on the net, visitors move from blog to blog, which are free, and in most cases can't be bothered even leaving a simple thank you comment to the poster. I speak as someone who has around 410,000 hits to date, but just a small band of loyal, regular and polite visitors leave a comment and a lot of my posts are in the 3500 - 5000 word type articles (plus rules available for download, which get well hit but never a thank you follows), something that reflects a lot of work and would get me around £70 from a magazine as a submission. We seriously need to get away from 'the internet is free' mentality or at least stop taking bloggers work for granted. In an evening a browser can easily consume a magazines worth of content for free.


Title: Re: 6mm and 10mm represented in latest Wargames Illustrated
Post by: fsn on 21 June 2018, 07:58:23 AM
Norm: Sorry to be ignorant, but could you leave a link to your blog?
Title: Re: 6mm and 10mm represented in latest Wargames Illustrated
Post by: paulr on 21 June 2018, 08:51:14 AM
http://battlefieldswarriors.blogspot.com/ (http://battlefieldswarriors.blogspot.com/)

Well worth a read and a thank you or ten

I've just found out that it will let me comment anonymously which is handy as I don't have any of the accounts most of the blogs want you to use
Title: Re: 6mm and 10mm represented in latest Wargames Illustrated
Post by: Subedai on 21 June 2018, 09:00:22 AM
Quote from: Leman on 21 June 2018, 06:55:57 AM
I too now have a good look through in Smith's and only rarely actually buy. I have bought the latest (June) WI as it has the Italian Wars amendments for Lion Rampant

I'm the same, I will look at the magazine in WHS but very rarely buy any of them. My problem is that in at least one of them, I see the same names and the same companies featured every month plus recently there has been an upsurge in rule writers being interviewed about the rationale behind their latest offering. It almost reminds me of a chat show where 'celebrities' make an appearance just to plug their newest endeavour. This could be just me because I have no interest in any rules that mean I will have to rebase my chaps, do not cater for 6 or 10mm and cost as much as a small 10mm army!
Title: Re: 6mm and 10mm represented in latest Wargames Illustrated
Post by: Ben Waterhouse on 21 June 2018, 09:16:36 AM
Quote from: steve_holmes_11 on 20 June 2018, 09:22:30 PM
I've pretty much given up on the "dead tree press" of the hobby.

1. My occasional glances at the covers leave me feeling they've gone down the "White dwarf: House magazine" rabbithole.
2. Slavish dedication to "Horribly deformed hulking great oaf" size figures.
3. The hobby is more diverse now (see other threads here) and the Interwebs are simply a more interactive and agile place for my gaming fix.

I might still be subscribing if points 1 and 2 weren't so glaring.


1 - Yes
2 - Yes
3 - And, err, yes...

And, Norm, mea culpa; will try to do better...
Title: Re: 6mm and 10mm represented in latest Wargames Illustrated
Post by: Lord Kermit of Birkenhead on 21 June 2018, 09:24:29 AM
I find that they are just too expensive !
Title: Re: 6mm and 10mm represented in latest Wargames Illustrated
Post by: Norm on 21 June 2018, 09:49:12 AM
Thanks all, sorry for the soap-boxish rant about blogs!

I have activated the blog link in my profile (I thought I had already done this).

My daughter treats me each year to a magazine subscription, but I have asked her not to re-new this year. I would like to sub to one, but will step back while I make that choice. I wonder how many people these days have their first introduction to wargames by a chance contact with the magazine on Smiths' shelves?

Title: Re: 6mm and 10mm represented in latest Wargames Illustrated
Post by: steve_holmes_11 on 21 June 2018, 08:58:15 PM
Quote from: Norm on 21 June 2018, 09:49:12 AM
Thanks all, sorry for the soap-boxish rant about blogs!

I have activated the blog link in my profile (I thought I had already done this).

My daughter treats me each year to a magazine subscription, but I have asked her not to re-new this year. I would like to sub to one, but will step back while I make that choice. I wonder how many people these days have their first introduction to wargames by a chance contact with the magazine on Smiths' shelves?



Are Smiths still in business?
Title: Re: 6mm and 10mm represented in latest Wargames Illustrated
Post by: Norm on 21 June 2018, 09:19:22 PM
Yes, the two WH Smiths nearest to me have each absorbed the local Post Office into their premises, so I guess that helps ensure viability. The third shop (quite a big store) in the next closest town, closed last year.
Title: Re: 6mm and 10mm represented in latest Wargames Illustrated
Post by: Leman on 22 June 2018, 07:56:12 AM
Smiths in both Southport and Liverpool also acts as the post office, and both stock all the wargames and history magazines. I regularly peruse, and, as this week, occasionally buy. Has anyone said what the forthcoming 10mm and 6mm articles are about?