I can find OOBs that tell you which battalions, etc, but can't find number of men. I picked up Field of Glory Napoleonic cheap, and to convert historical armies you need to know strengths in the brigade level, or regiment etc.
Are you talking actuals or establishment?
I've got a fair cross section of actuals in various volumes.
I tend to go for a bit of evening out. IIRC, British Bttns at Waterloo varied from 238 to 1006. I to go for about 600 in each.
IF you are doing the 100 ddays campaign, use the mont st jean site.
http://centjours.mont-saint-jean.com/organigrammes.php
You can find the numbers when you click on the unit.
an example for the 54ème regiment de ligne
http://centjours.mont-saint-jean.com/detail_uniteFR.php?rubrique=O&unite=29
Clicking further you can also see the numbers per battalion.
The various Nafziger orders of battle might be useful. They should be available online, and you can find an index at http://cgsc.contentdm.oclc.org/cdm/ref/collection/p4013coll11/id/1277 (http://cgsc.contentdm.oclc.org/cdm/ref/collection/p4013coll11/id/1277)
Cheers,
Aksu
Almost swore at Aksu as lots of Nafziger is just battalions, but then I found a couple within strengths, so reigned it in! (I already knew of the site, but not seen any numbers on the lists i d already looked at.)
The 100 days one is in interesting as a cross ref, but as much as I'd like I to do British I've come to the conclusion that theatres with them (us?) In are untypical of the period.
Untypical? How so.
Spain: British and French bttns all average about 600 men, roughly. Peninsula - we're there other theatres then?
I meant from a playing point of view, rules seem to have trouble recreating British tactics, leading to the clichéd '+2 for British'
If you are looking for Spanish strengths, the collection of orders of battle published in 1822 is quite good. You can download a pdf copy at
http://bvpb.mcu.es/es/consulta/registro.cmd?id=399796 (http://bvpb.mcu.es/es/consulta/registro.cmd?id=399796)
Navigate to the bottom of the page, click on the "Objetos digitales" link, click on any of the disk icons in the page popup, choose format pdf, choose "el documento entero".
Cheers,
Aksu
... or use Google Chrome and it will translate the page for you. :D
Excellent link ! Thank you.
Black Powder Albion Triumphant gives the British the "steady line" special rule so they can counter-charge the Frogs*. But it is a hard one to represent and all too often rule writers daren't cast aversions against another nations army, so you end up with rules that make everyone so vanilla its ridiculous!
* the BP/AT author has conceded that the steady line was the best option open to them - the most realistic step meant the British line invariably** defeated the French column.
** the Napoleonic wars source book by Digby Smith lists 19 full blown "battles" fought in the "Peninsula" 1808-1814 - they are all British and allied victories! :D
Quote from: Dr Dave on 18 May 2018, 02:23:40 PM
** the Napoleonic wars source book by Digby Smith lists 19 full blown "battles" fought in the "Peninsula" 1808-1814 - they are all British and allied victories! :D
I suppose this list does not include the Spanish efforts/disasters on the field and concentrates on the British and allied battles?
Btw I have a large 15 mm Spanish army and am in no way a francophile when it comes to gaming the Peninsula :)
...oh, forgot to mention. My avatar picture is in fact none other than Manuel Lapeña Rodríguez y Ruiz de Sotillo, who was considered even by the Spanish as their worst general. I aspire to reach his level of competence on the field.
Aksu
Quote from: Aksu on 18 May 2018, 06:39:39 PM
I suppose this list does not include the Spanish efforts/disasters on the field and concentrates on the British and allied battles?
Btw I have a large 15 mm Spanish army and am in no way a francophile when it comes to gaming the Peninsula :)
...oh, forgot to mention. My avatar picture is in fact none other than Manuel Lapeña Rodríguez y Ruiz de Sotillo, who was considered even by the Spanish as their worst general. I aspire to reach his level of competence on the field.
Aksu
The book has all of the battles, clashes and engagements fought in the wars. All of them ALL.
The 19 I mention are the ones the British are present at in the "Allied" army. The Spanish hidings are in there as well. But if the British are present it's always a French defeat.
19 wins. That's what I'd call a good innings :) Did the brits ever lose on the continent (lets just ignore New Orleans, it was fought after the war was over, after all)?
Aksu
Corunna?
Quote from: Aksu on 20 May 2018, 06:16:19 AM
19 wins. That's what I'd call a good innings :) Did the brits ever lose on the continent (lets just ignore New Orleans, it was fought after the war was over, after all)?
Aksu
Well they had 2 "expeditions" into the Low Countries - one in 1794 - 5 (including the Duke of York's infamous 10,000 men) which ended up in retreat and the other in 1809 at Walcheren that did not go well due to really bad sickness (ca 4000 men were lost to sickness as opposed to around 100 from enemy action). Do Popham's two farceical attempts to invade the River Plate in 1807 count as that was in South America?
Failed British expeditions? Glad to see the Walcheren figures. Pro Froggies always trot it out as an example of poor British performance, without realising that no battles were fought! Twits! >:(
The DoY expedition in the 1790s though. Again, most of the battles are British victories, but the allies are often out manoeuvred off the field by the froggies. There is a colonel of the 33rd foot who served in that campaign, and he certainly learned a lot. ;)
I fear the S America efforts must be classed a bad shows, but Corruna? The retreat was a disaster, but the battle was a win - phewwww
New Orleans? Uhmmmm, tricky one. It was fought after the war had ended so doesn't count? And let's not forget who dug the American defensive works.... :(