What Ho gang.
The news seems to be full of the new data protection act, at the moment.
I must be on a fair number of different firms' databases......But I haven't had a single one come through to me and say "Is it alright if we keep your details ?"
Anyone had anything through yet ?
Cheers - Phil.
(Leon can take it as read that I'm more than happy for him to hold my details.......Wouldn't get much work done, otherwise. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D)
As secretary for the local football clubs youth programme, I have been gettiing all sorts of information from the FA and the various local leagues but everywhere else has been strangely quiet.
All depends on whether someone is making money off you I suppose (cynical old git!). ;)
I've had around three companies contact me, but many more haven't. This is further complicated that my tesco.net email service is ending in June.
Regards,
Martin
James Wellbeloved (dog food) contacted me this morning.
I think you mean the General Data Protection Regulations (GDPR), Techno. The Data Protection Act came out in 1998 and there's a new one going through parliament at the moment.
GDPR brings Data Protection into the 21st century, including biometric and genetic data as personal identifers, and puts more emphasis on data controllers being clear with data subjects about the data they hold and what is done with it. Fines for organisations not complying have gone up to Eu20,000,00, or 4% or global revenue - whichever is the larger. The Tesco bank fiasco could have netted a £1bn fine. The Techno bank fiasco would probably nett something in the same region.
Many organisations are sending out "do you want to keep in touch?" messages as exercises in covering their donkeys.
FSN
Data Protection Officer
Thanks muchly, Nobby..... :-bd
'They' just seem to be going on and on about it the mo'......And from what 'they've' been wittering on about it, I'm just surprised that I haven't had any emails to ask me if I want to stay on their database(s).
There's one particular company who will get a firm 'NO'.....And "Bog Off". ;D ;D ;D ;D
Cheers - Phil (I bet you're having oodles of fun, if you're having to deal with this.)
My brother runs a small charity - set up by my Father that helps an orphanage in Zambia. They have has to send a self addressed envelope with a form to fill in to every one on their mailing list confirming that they can A) keep their details on file and b) contact them in the future by sending the twice yearly newsletter. Its cost them a small fortune, just to confirm this with people who had specifically asked for the newsletter.
Quote from: Orcs on 28 April 2018, 09:07:48 AM
My brother runs a small charity - set up by my Father that helps an orphanage in Zambia. They have has to send a self addressed envelope with a form to fill in to every one on their mailing list confirming that they can A) keep their details on file and b) contact them in the future by sending the twice yearly newsletter. Its cost them a small fortune, just to confirm this with people who had specifically asked for the newsletter.
Why didn't they just do this as part of the newsletter?
Quote from: fred. on 28 April 2018, 02:44:00 PM
Why didn't they just do this as part of the newsletter?
I think it has to be a separate communication. All the sites that have emailed me on the same subject have sent a specific email.
Most of the charities distribution list have never submitted or want to be contacted by email. Many of them probably remember the "penny black" in circulation
<y understanding is that as far as we are concerned it means you have to opt in to receive any form of communication.
As a Data Protection Officer, this is sort of my bag...
Your rights are significantly strengthened in some areas, and weakened in others.
Corporate obligations are now generally more onerus, especially around explicit consent (e.g. for direct marketing), hence the "can we still contact you" messages.
The government is currently trying to sort out a "Data Protection Bill" to bring GDPR into UK law post-Brexit. It's not having a smooth passage, but it'll be interesting to see how this all comes together.
:)
Quote from: Luddite on 28 April 2018, 04:47:12 PM
..... but it'll be interesting to see how this all comes together.
I bet it won't be! ;D
Quote from: Luddite on 28 April 2018, 04:47:12 PM
As a Data Protection Officer, this is sort of my bag...
You too?
Hail and well met brother!
One of the interesting things about GDPR is that it appears to apply to dealings with EU citizens even if the organisation is not based in the EU
Organisations here in the Antipodes are having to consider their response particularly give the potential level of penalties
Not a Data Protection Officer, but involved in IT
Quote from: paulr on 28 April 2018, 07:40:03 PM
One of the interesting things about GDPR is that it appears to apply to dealings with EU citizens even if the organisation is not based in the EU
Organisations here in the Antipodes are having to consider their response particularly give the potential level of penalties
Not a Data Protection Officer, but involved in IT
Aye, for certain purposes.
GDPR Article 3.(2).
This Regulation applies to the processing of personal data of data subjects who are in the Union by a controller or processor not established in the Union, where the processing activities are related to:
a) the offering of goods or services, irrespective of whether a payment of the data subject is required, to such data subjects in the Union; or
b) the monitoring of their behaviour as far as their behaviour takes place within the Union.
Oddly, once the UK leaves the EU, this will apply to us too!
I had to sign into and use passwords and things to get into my gmail today. Is this related to the data protection thing?
Quote from: Leman on 30 April 2018, 06:52:54 PM
I had to sign into and use passwords and things to get into my gmail today. Is this related to the data protection thing?
This happens to me occasional when my iPad refuses to recognize my identity from my finger print (frequently because it is cut and has a layer of dried superglue) and then gives me only grudging access when I enter my six-digit PIN.
Quote from: Luddite on 30 April 2018, 12:52:52 PM
Aye, for certain purposes.
GDPR Article 3.(2).
This Regulation applies to the processing of personal data of data subjects who are in the Union by a controller or processor not established in the Union, where the processing activities are related to:
a) the offering of goods or services, irrespective of whether a payment of the data subject is required, to such data subjects in the Union; or
b) the monitoring of their behaviour as far as their behaviour takes place within the Union.
Oddly, once the UK leaves the EU, this will apply to us too!
I'm not sure what purposes aren't covered by that broad definition :-\
Quote from: Leman on 30 April 2018, 06:52:54 PM
I had to sign into and use passwords and things to get into my gmail today. Is this related to the data protection thing?
Don't think so, Andy.
I had that a couple of weeks ago. Think it's just an occasional extra security check.
Cheers - Phil
Quote from: d_Guy on 30 April 2018, 08:34:32 PM
This happens to me occasional when my iPad refuses to recognize my identity from my finger print (frequently because it is cut and has a layer of dried superglue) and then gives me only grudging access when I enter my six-digit PIN.
I frequently have my phone do that (perils of the side job :D), which is fine for the simple passcode on the phone but a right sod for remembering more detailed other stuff like forum logins or banking!
Gmail has been prompted for a log in a lot recently. I dunno if Chrome has changed settings somewhere or I've blanked my stored stuff testing stuff for actual work...
On the GDPR note I've had a *lot* of emails asking me to confirm details. Some are... quite tricky. They don't mention why, but are just a "friendly reminder" to update your preferences (some offering fabulous prizes, too!)...
Yup - too many password. I even use an algorithm of sorts that generates by using some detail of the site in question but still mess it up occasionally.
Incidently I have just had an email from your National Army Museum in which I have to opt-in to be continued on their mailing list.
As my primary email is hotmail and not linked to a country, I occasional get things from your HM Revenue and Customs (I think because of my many on-line purchases in Britain).
Quote from: d_Guy on 01 May 2018, 03:28:05 PM
As my primary email is hotmail and not linked to a country, I occasional get things from your HM Revenue and Customs (I think because of my many on-line purchases in Britain).
X_X X_X X_X X_X X_X
Why am I not surprised ? =)
I think we should go back to fax machines. ;D ;D ;D
Cheers - Phil.
Quote from: d_Guy on 01 May 2018, 03:28:05 PM
As my primary email is hotmail and not linked to a country, I occasional get things from your HM Revenue and Customs
Well, they may
say they're from HMRC but I wouldn't trust that.
I have a Hotmail account, and I'm in the UK, and I make online purchases, and have never had an email from HMRC, at least not one that's got through the spam filter.
Yeah, I have to have a "system" (a little like the famous XKCD one!), but even then, as every site enforces a different security standard I have to remember caps/no caps, special characters, numbers, where stuff changes, was it XYZ in position 123 or...
I haven't yet got to the point of writing them down on a post it stuck to the screen but it's close :D
Quote from: Raider4 on 01 May 2018, 03:52:08 PM
Well, they may say they're from HMRC but I wouldn't trust that.
I have a Hotmail account, and I'm in the UK, and I make online purchases, and have never had an email from HMRC, at least not one that's got through the spam filter.
Yes - that is a good point raider, some are spam but an almost equal number uncover as having gov.uk extensions and deal with VAT issues. I don't pay VAT so ignore these as well. Although I do seem to recall one which was a "customer" survey which I took and gave them high marks.
I routinely get emails and call from those proporting to be our IRS, usually threatening to seize our bank accounts. They often uncover as something like "Irma.pig@hotmail.com".
There is a whole YouTube series by a guy who gives TED talks on his correspondence with email spammers. The virtual world is almost exactly like wandering around NYC's Times Square in the early 1970s.
Quote from: fsn on 28 April 2018, 07:27:53 PM
You too?
Hail and well met brother!
And I am a retired Data Protection Officer!
Shall we form a subset of the Forum?
Threads about the difficulties in data controller/data processor relationships, the horror that is cloud computing and "my worst SAR"?
And I can regale you all with the hoary old stories of saying to school bursars, " Yes you have to put that on your website and no you can't hide behind the child protection act" X 100
Happy GDPR compliance day.
Apparently the most prevalent phishing emails at present are ones dealing with account verifications (with GDPR compliance mentioned as the reason). Be careful out there.
Oh very bloody typical. You feel like saying to them just go and do a proper job.
I haven't had a single request/notification.......Probably down to the fact I had to change my email addy, a good few months ago, now...So all the potential pesky ones may well have sent their pleas to an email that no longer exists. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Cheers - Phil
i've had that happen as well. What is even funnier is that when you try to explain to a company that your email has changed they inform you that you are using the wrong email address to log in. Catch 22 or what!