We've got another new range online next, with the start of a WWII Belgian range now available! This little batch are all Vickers designs, including the Utility B tractor which was a licensed Belgian version of the Vickers Utility vehicle. Next up is the the B1/B2 version of the T-13 tank destroyer with a 47mm AT gun. And finally we've got the T-15 light tank, armed with a 13.2mm machine gun.
For infantry, we are planning to add some specific Belgian figures at some point in the future but it's likely to be 2019 or later before we fit those into the schedule. In the meantime, our WWII French in Adrian helmets are a suitable proxy.
WWII
Belgian - https://pendraken.co.uk/world-war-ii/belgian/
BEL1 Utility B tractor (2)
BEL2 T-13 tank destroyer (1)
BEL3 T-15 light tank (1)
And the pics:
BEL1 - Utility B tractor
(https://pendraken.co.uk/_img/products/4210/BEL1.JPG)
BEL2 -T-13 tank destroyer
(https://pendraken.co.uk/_img/products/4211/BEL2.JPG)
BEL3 - T-15 light tank
(https://pendraken.co.uk/_img/products/4212/BEL3.JPG)
We'll have these with us at the upcoming WMMS show, as well as Salute of course, so pop by and have a look! We've also got some more WWII and Modern releases coming in the next week.
8)
great stuff!
don't forget that you can list the AMC35 with the Belgians as the ACG-1! (FRE60)
Very, very nice 8)
:-bd =D> :-bd
More coolness.
Could see these on the flank of my French forces
QuoteT-13 tank destroyer
You have to love the optimism
Superb
Oooooh! That's not fair. Putting out a new range when FSN's coming to the end of a project. :(
They are pretty though.
(http://tank-photographs.s3-website-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/belgium-tanks-1940.jpg) (http://www.tanks-encyclopedia.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/troop-t13-b1-td.jpg)
Quote from: fred. on 04 March 2018, 06:57:40 PM
More coolness.
Could see these on the flank of my French forces
You have to love the optimism
They are very nice models.
Having played with Belgians in BKC2 The T13 is a force to be reckoned with. It outranges all of the German tanks including the Pz4 and gets 3 dice compared to 2.
They were also fitted with a Browning Automatic rifle. Apparently an HE shell was also available.
Good stuff.
Cheers - Phil
Leon, You drive me nuts with incomplete ranges. No 47mm FRC anti-tank gun to go with the utility tractor. No 76mm FRC Mortar. The French will not do as proxies for Belgian infantry; the Belgian LMG was the BAR and their HMG was the MG08. Very frustrating.
Very nice indeed
Take care
Andy
Quote from: John Cook on 05 March 2018, 09:58:36 AM
Leon, You drive me nuts with incomplete ranges. No 47mm FRC anti-tank gun to go with the utility tractor. No 76mm FRC Mortar. The French will not do as proxies for Belgian infantry; the Belgian LMG was the BAR and their HMG was the MG08. Very frustrating.
John,
What you say is quite correct.
But the following proxies are suitable with a little work.
Belgian MMG/HMG use FRE28 ( Begian Forces made extensive use of the Hotchkiss model 1914,)
Belgian BAR use FRE9, you will need to file off the top loading magazine and reduce the bulge at the muzzle
Belgian 47mm. Use FRE7, the only real difference particularly at this scale is the curved top, which can be sorted out if it bothers you
Begian AC1 is identicle to FRE60 Renault AMC-35
The FRC76 is the tricky one , You might be able to get away cutting down the Italian 47mmA/T gun and ask for a French crew with it.
If your using BKC you do not need to depict the LMG as its not used in the rules as a separate entity. Just add them when they become available
So you can do most things with what is available
Quote from: John Cook on 05 March 2018, 09:58:36 AM
Leon, You drive me nuts with incomplete ranges. No 47mm FRC anti-tank gun to go with the utility tractor. No 76mm FRC Mortar. The French will not do as proxies for Belgian infantry; the Belgian LMG was the BAR and their HMG was the MG08. Very frustrating.
It would be ideal if Pendraken only released complete ranges. However, having some available now allows people to make a start on their forces and Pendraken to generate some income to fund completing the range. It also allows Pendraken to get some gauge of the actual interest. As Leon has indicated the infantry is on the way in due course.
An interesting question of course is what makes a range complete. How many different uniforms did the Belgians use and how many different vehicles, guns, aircraft? How many of these do Pendraken have to make before the range is complete enough to release...
An alternative to using proxies is to use some of your existing forces as 'stand ins', use some British infantry and guns until the appropriate Belgians are available. Not ideal but it lets you play the force and doesn't leave you with proxies that you are not satisfied with.
Quote from: Orcs on 05 March 2018, 01:07:08 PM
John,
What you say is quite correct.
But the following proxies are suitable with a little work.
Belgian MMG/HMG use FRE28 ( Begian Forces made extensive use of the Hotchkiss model 1914,)
Belgian BAR use FRE9, you will need to file off the top loading magazine and reduce the bulge at the muzzle
Belgian 47mm. Use FRE7, the only real difference particularly at this scale is the curved top, which can be sorted out if it bothers you
Begian AC1 is identicle to FRE60 Renault AMC-35
The FRC76 is the tricky one , You might be able to get away cutting down the Italian 47mmA/T gun and ask for a French crew with it.
If your using BKC you do not need to depict the LMG as its not used in the rules as a separate entity. Just add them when they become available
So you can do most things with what is available
Orcs,
Thanks for that. As I understand it the Hotchkiss M14 was used by the Chasseurs Ardennais and motorised cavalry. The 12 Belgian Active and 1st Reserve infantry divisions used the MG08. The Belgians also wore gaiters, not putties, so that is another issue if using the French figures.
As far as I know the Utility B Tractor was used for towing the FRC 47mm anti-tank gun in the infantry regiments, so why this weapon is missing is very strange. In my view the differences between the Belgian and French 47mm anti-tank guns are too stark, even in 10mm, for the latter to be used as a substitute.
These models seem to be very good but using other stuff as 'proxies' or 'stand-ins' just doesn't do it for me. I'm not interested making a start on a range that might have the necessary infantry in 18 months to two years time.
A pity but there it is.
Buy some and you do make a practical contribution towards getting the rest made, I'd think. It's a process, and, given how big history is, could hardly be otherwise.
Well put FK
In regards to the 47mm ATG didn't the Hungarians use them during Barbarossa and I'm sure I read a lot were used on the Atlantic Wall. Maybe there is enough crossover for Pendraken to consider making one
Quote from: FierceKitty on 05 March 2018, 11:38:53 PM
Buy some and you do make a practical contribution towards getting the rest made, I'd think. It's a process, and, given how big history is, could hardly be otherwise.
The thing is FK, I'm 71 and I want jam now, not tomorrow - I might not be here tomorrow :-)
Quote from: Fenton on 06 March 2018, 06:34:23 AM
In regards to the 47mm ATG didn't the Hungarians use them during Barbarossa and I'm sure I read a lot were used on the Atlantic Wall. Maybe there is enough crossover for Pendraken to consider making one
Yes they did. I'm not sure in what quantity.
Cant find any reference to Hungarian use of the 47mm. They had regimental AT companies which my sources show as having 16 37mm Bofors or later 50mm PaK 38. If they did indeed use the Belgium weapon I suspect it would fit in there.
IanS
Wikipedia believes the Hungarians had them too ... though whether you believe Wikipedia .....
"Hungary
Several hundred 47 mm guns were captured by the Germans after the battle of Belgium and donated to the Hungarians in 1940-1, to make up for their lack in anti-tank guns during Operation Barbarossa. Their use was limited however due to a lack of spare parts, while the armor penetrating capabilities of these guns had also been surpassed by the Soviet advances in tank construction. Most were relegated to training duties."
(http://www.ww2incolor.com/d/660480-3/Hun+arty+47+Belgs+canon411)
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The Hungarians received several Belgian anti-tank guns from the Germans. IIRC, the guns were quite effective for their caliber, but suffered from a fragile targeting system.
Just to throw this out there, I didn't commission these Belgian vehicles, they just arrived one day...
I'm a big fan of complete ranges myself, hence the ACW, WWII Polish, Aztecs, Brunswickers, etc and the upcoming 1860 Italians and Indian Mutiny ranges.
Quote from: John Cook on 06 March 2018, 09:50:22 AM
The thing is FK, I'm 71 and I want jam now, not tomorrow - I might not be here tomorrow :-)
You have a point, I can't deny it.
More will be coming, its easy to get the foot done quickly as against the vehicles.
Dave
Quote from: Dave on 08 March 2018, 09:10:00 PM
More will be coming, its easy to get the foot done quickly as against the vehicles.
Dave
:D :D :D
Bit skint for the moment, but hoping i can get some of the vehicles around easter!
I'll definitely gonna get some too but first my Germans will have to defeat the Polish!
For my Chasseurs Ardennais I was actually considering using Germans as a basis with helmets cut off and replaced by barets. The short tunic and German type breadbag/waterbottle together with the ammopouches and Mauser rifle makes them a good starting point I think. The gasmask cannister has to be reworked into a Belgian type gasmaskbag and I need to find a solution for the BAR but for the rest I'm not too worried... yet. Then again; I only need a platoon or something with some AT-guns and vehicles for some delaying actions.
Cheers,
Rob
Would be nice if a Vickers A1E1 "Independent" just turned up for the Interwar range!