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Title: To the Green Fields Beyond
Post by: T13A on 14 November 2017, 03:27:47 PM
Hi

Sunday 19 November, 8pm, Channel Four, Guy Martin Builds a WWI tank.

Monday 20 November, 100 years since the battle of Cambrai.

Fearnaught

T13A, Out.
Title: Re: To the Green Fields Beyond
Post by: Steve J on 14 November 2017, 06:49:20 PM
Could be worth watching.
Title: Re: To the Green Fields Beyond
Post by: Leman on 15 November 2017, 07:46:13 AM
Since I found out about how the BBC messed around with historic timelines to make an episode of "Who do you think you are" more exciting, I'm a bit dubious about their factual output.
Title: Re: To the Green Fields Beyond
Post by: mollinary on 15 November 2017, 11:55:24 AM
Quote from: Leman on 15 November 2017, 07:46:13 AM
Since I found out about how the BBC messed around with historic timelines to make an episode of "Who do you think you are" more exciting, I'm a bit dubious about their factual output.

???
Title: Re: To the Green Fields Beyond
Post by: toxicpixie on 15 November 2017, 12:17:23 PM
Quote from: Leman on 15 November 2017, 07:46:13 AM
Since I found out about how the BBC messed around with historic timelines to make an episode of "Who do you think you are" more exciting, I'm a bit dubious about their factual output.

Ahhh, you've seen their News & Current Affairs output then :D

Title: Re: To the Green Fields Beyond
Post by: cameronian on 15 November 2017, 02:20:47 PM
Believe nothing the BBC say, nothing.
Title: Re: To the Green Fields Beyond
Post by: Lord Kermit of Birkenhead on 15 November 2017, 03:08:13 PM
So FOX News is absolutely accurate ?

IanS
Title: Re: To the Green Fields Beyond
Post by: toxicpixie on 15 November 2017, 03:11:34 PM
They just have a stronger slant on the same mistruths and bias ;)

At least until we privatise the Beeb fully and hand it to Murdoch, at which point they'll probably sack most of the staff of both and just run the same articles directly!
Title: Re: To the Green Fields Beyond
Post by: Leman on 15 November 2017, 03:12:18 PM
Re Ian above:
Unlikely, but to mess with the facts about what happened to someone's relative for the sake of entertainment seems pointless to me.
Title: Re: To the Green Fields Beyond
Post by: toxicpixie on 15 November 2017, 03:14:37 PM
Ahhh but that's traditional in the media, of any era!

See poor old Private Hook, or Hitler's testicle, or the EVIL HUN CRUCIFYING NUNS! That covers the last hundred years, anyone want to chuck in a few examples from before :D

We shan't mention Richard III and the horrible Tudor hatchet job ;)
Title: Re: To the Green Fields Beyond
Post by: Leman on 15 November 2017, 03:19:10 PM
I'm aware of all that, but it was mostly done for propaganda. I'm just puzzled about changing an individual's personal history because........ Why not just make a fictional drama instead? What exactly is the point of Who do you think you are if they are willing to do this?
Title: Re: To the Green Fields Beyond
Post by: toxicpixie on 15 November 2017, 03:49:15 PM
Sex the lot up for excitement. It's the same base cause, get a bit of tension in even when there isn't any.
Title: Re: To the Green Fields Beyond
Post by: mollinary on 15 November 2017, 05:06:34 PM
Quote from: Leman on 15 November 2017, 03:19:10 PM
I'm aware of all that, but it was mostly done for propaganda. I'm just puzzled about changing an individual's personal history because........ Why not just make a fictional drama instead? What exactly is the point of Who do you think you are if they are willing to do this?

Sorry Leman, I entirely agree with the point you are making, but am entirely unaware of the story to which you are referring. Could you possibly share the details?

Mollinary
Title: Re: To the Green Fields Beyond
Post by: Leman on 15 November 2017, 05:25:36 PM
In one of the shows a woman's relative (uncle or father) was depicted as being in the 8th Army in Italy, being thrown in at the deep end after only a few weeks training. When the ex-army consultant explained to the production team that the soldier's records clearly showed that he had joined up months before, had gone through both the N.Africa campaign and Sicily and then ended up in mainland Italy, he was told thank you very much but our version makes much better television.
Title: Re: To the Green Fields Beyond
Post by: Duke Speedy of Leighton on 15 November 2017, 05:38:15 PM
Ahem, let's drop the politics gents.
Title: Re: To the Green Fields Beyond
Post by: Leon on 15 November 2017, 06:33:04 PM
We'll be on the way back from the Warfare show but I'll be popping this on the planner to record.  I think if we had the resources available, quite a few of us would like to build our own tank!
Title: Re: To the Green Fields Beyond
Post by: T13A on 15 November 2017, 07:31:11 PM
Hi

When I started this topic off I did say it was about building a WWI tank and on Channel 4 didn't I. I did didn't I? Someone please tell me I did or am I going completely mad? Don't answer that basil.

Confused T13A

Cheers Paul
Title: Re: To the Green Fields Beyond
Post by: Duke Speedy of Leighton on 15 November 2017, 08:22:19 PM
You did old bean, very much looking forwards to it.
Will
Title: Re: To the Green Fields Beyond
Post by: DanJ on 08 December 2017, 10:27:04 AM
And it was an excellent program, a very good mix of history and modern technology used to create as exact a replica of a MkIV female as possible.

I loved the fact that JCB who built the thing used modern welding techniques but then added all the rivet heads in the right places to make it look authentic.  I was also very impressed by the inside which looked just as full of dangerous machinery as the original; the scene where one of the drive bearing sheared and the tank ground to a halt was rather scary when you realised that the drive chain taking the power from the dif to the sprocket was pretty much exposed and if it had snapped could have bounced around inside the hull.

Even the wife found it interesting.
Title: Re: To the Green Fields Beyond
Post by: Duke Speedy of Leighton on 08 December 2017, 11:14:14 AM
Agree Dan
Title: Re: To the Green Fields Beyond
Post by: toxicpixie on 08 December 2017, 11:59:09 AM
I enjoyed it, was pretty good. Although they're very woolly on why they didn't get to drive it up the main street of Lincoln for the parade. It's not that the police banned them, it's that the police said the production company would need to provide extra safety measures like marshalls and crowd control and some means of making sure the rather limited visibility and maneuver of the tank combined with crowds and awkward access didn't result in an accident. The production company declined to do so and went to the deserted battlefield instead! Which did make for some good visuals, to be honest, and is very in keeping with the commemoration.
Title: Re: To the Green Fields Beyond
Post by: Techno on 08 December 2017, 01:37:09 PM
Seconded.....Before this thread gets 'iffy'.

Cheers - Phil