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Title: Operation Market-Garden - The Drive Towards Valkenswaard - A BKCII ARR
Post by: Steve J on 01 October 2017, 12:45:34 PM
An AAR report of a solo game I played on Friday, using BKCII ruleset. All figures etc are from Pendraken. Hope you like it.

http://wwiiwargaming.blogspot.co.uk/2017/10/operation-market-garden-drive-towards.html (http://wwiiwargaming.blogspot.co.uk/2017/10/operation-market-garden-drive-towards.html)

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Title: Re: Operation Market-Garden - The Drive Towards Valkenswaard - A BKCII ARR
Post by: petercooman on 01 October 2017, 12:49:04 PM
Nice report!!!


Oh, and get a typhoon to please the miniature gods  ;)
Title: Re: Operation Market-Garden - The Drive Towards Valkenswaard - A BKCII ARR
Post by: Steve J on 01 October 2017, 03:02:45 PM
I have a Typhoon Peter, but not yet painted. I really need to get this sorted for future games.
Title: Re: Operation Market-Garden - The Drive Towards Valkenswaard - A BKCII ARR
Post by: Norm on 01 October 2017, 03:08:06 PM
Steve, very nice action ... good to be rolling dice again!
Title: Re: Operation Market-Garden - The Drive Towards Valkenswaard - A BKCII ARR
Post by: Duke Speedy of Leighton on 01 October 2017, 04:32:31 PM
Nice report, like the after action thoughts too.
Title: Re: Operation Market-Garden - The Drive Towards Valkenswaard - A BKCII ARR
Post by: Albie Bach on 01 October 2017, 07:16:22 PM
Great scenario and report. Nicely captures the opening moves of Market-Garden.  8)
Title: Re: Operation Market-Garden - The Drive Towards Valkenswaard - A BKCII ARR
Post by: Steve J on 01 October 2017, 07:51:26 PM
Thanks for the comments chaps :).
Title: Re: Operation Market-Garden - The Drive Towards Valkenswaard - A BKCII ARR
Post by: fred. on 01 October 2017, 08:56:58 PM
Nice report.

Many years ago I played a very similar scenario, probably using BKC I, with similar outcomes. I seem to recall that the German infantry in woods where deadly as they were able to ambush tanks in Panzerfaust range and as such could roll loads of dice to attack.

I'd definitely add more tanks, and some half-tracks. The Grenadier Guards where the Motor Battalion in Guards armoured, and definitely were in half-tracks. These would be useful at Nijmegen as well.

A Market Garden campaign would be good - I've been thinking about doing one for years now! To me, I think it is the British who are having to husband their resources more - they have limited front line troops, not least because of the single road issue. And had to spend a lot of time and effort shuttling Guards Armoured back up and down the road to counter attack German attacks attempting to cut the road. I think for the Germans its more about throwing in the latest reinforcements to get a result - then seeing where the next set of reinforcements come in. This does suggest a wider strategic game to drive the reinforcements, or at least some kind of randomisation mechanism to drive this.
Title: Re: Operation Market-Garden - The Drive Towards Valkenswaard - A BKCII ARR
Post by: Steve J on 01 October 2017, 09:02:28 PM
Thanks Fred. I think we've all thought about gaming Market-Garden to a lesser or greater extent over the years. This is certainly true of my gaming chums. I can see a need for re-inforcements in the near future :).
Title: Re: Operation Market-Garden - The Drive Towards Valkenswaard - A BKCII ARR
Post by: Techno on 02 October 2017, 06:22:12 AM
Excellent stuff.

Cheers - Phil.
Title: Re: Operation Market-Garden - The Drive Towards Valkenswaard - A BKCII ARR
Post by: Sunray on 02 October 2017, 10:36:01 AM
Inspirational stuff Steve, and thanks for sharing.  Nice to see a MG game that focuses on the Garden.

I have memory of a battle field tour some years ago, up that N69 across the Polder. A tributary of the  Dommel River  cuts the road just south of  Valkenswaard.  The polder does limit armoured tactics.

Its inspired me for such a flank in my next bush war game. A narrow causeway across a swamp that will only take light tracked armour.

Must order more Chaffees from Leon.
Title: Re: Operation Market-Garden - The Drive Towards Valkenswaard - A BKCII ARR
Post by: Steve J on 02 October 2017, 11:41:12 AM
Thanks Sunray :). Most games do seem to focus on the Market part of the operation, but I think they miss out on the many challenges of the Garden part. Nice to know I've inspired you for your next game and look forward to hearing how it went.
Title: Re: Operation Market-Garden - The Drive Towards Valkenswaard - A BKCII ARR
Post by: T13A on 02 October 2017, 01:17:05 PM
Hi Steve

Great report and thanks for sharing.

Were the  forces organised into specific 'formations'?

As an aside, how do you think BKC-II would cope with the more intensive fighting in built-up-areas (BUA's) involved with 1st Airborne Division up in Oosterbeek/Arnhem? Do you think it would capture the feel of that type of action?

Just for information I was one of those who was dismayed by the way BCK-III dealt with BUA's and was just hoping for a bit more clarification/explanation in the way BKC-II dealt with this aspect of the rules.

Cheers Paul

Title: Re: Operation Market-Garden - The Drive Towards Valkenswaard - A BKCII ARR
Post by: fred. on 02 October 2017, 01:42:50 PM
I've done a bit of a solo play through of the defence of Arnhem bridge by 2 Para, using BKC II. The Paras in buildings are hugely tough, if the germans are in the open they get shot to pieces. If they take take pot shots at troops in buildings then not much happens.  All this seems a reasonable simulation. But not sure how much of a game it makes.
Title: Re: Operation Market-Garden - The Drive Towards Valkenswaard - A BKCII ARR
Post by: Steve J on 02 October 2017, 08:27:20 PM
In terms of formations, the following is a broad guideline:

British tanks 1 x HQ
6 infantry with support 1 x HQ (1 on each flank)

German
On board kampfgruppe under 1 x HQ
Off table 6 infantry and 2 Stug IIIs 1 x HQ
Off table Stug III and support units 1 x CO

I agree with Fred re: fighting in large built up areas; they are mostly drawn out affairs that, whilst a good simulation, make for pretty dull games. The attacker really needs lots of artillery, tanks and flamethrowers IMHO. Another option is the 'hits stay on' that we use, which certainly speeds things up. To be honest for these sort of actions, I think Company level rules such as 'IABSM' by the Too Fat Lardies and 'Battlegroup' are better options., the latter of which has just released (or is about too) as specific supplement for Market-Garden.

Hope this helps?
Title: Re: Operation Market-Garden - The Drive Towards Valkenswaard - A BKCII ARR
Post by: Steve J on 02 October 2017, 08:31:22 PM
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Just remembered that Piers put up an AAR of a game set in and around the Oosterbeek perimeter. This should give you a nice idea of how these rules handle built up areas:

http://www.guildwargamers.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=311&t=45222 (http://www.guildwargamers.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=311&t=45222)
Title: Re: Operation Market-Garden - The Drive Towards Valkenswaard - A BKCII ARR
Post by: Norm on 03 October 2017, 04:52:53 AM
The master at work.
Title: Re: Operation Market-Garden - The Drive Towards Valkenswaard - A BKCII ARR
Post by: paulr on 03 October 2017, 07:08:06 AM
 :-bd =D> :-bd =D>
Title: Re: Operation Market-Garden - The Drive Towards Valkenswaard - A BKCII ARR
Post by: Steve J on 03 October 2017, 07:53:50 AM
The hardest part with his buildings is getting the textures to the right scale and large enough for the building in one piece. They certainly are effective though.
Title: Re: Operation Market-Garden - The Drive Towards Valkenswaard - A BKCII ARR
Post by: Sunray on 03 October 2017, 10:00:14 AM
One of the exciting things about the new Korean range + Mart's early 1950s vehicles is that it opens up early Cold War Europe and fledgling NATO v WP.  And of course WW2 European scenery we already have.

We just need a modest range of post war Soviets  8)

Title: Re: Operation Market-Garden - The Drive Towards Valkenswaard - A BKCII ARR
Post by: Womble67 on 03 October 2017, 04:10:14 PM
Great report Steve fully enjoyed reading it

Take care

Andy